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And to not sound too arrogant, my reads were shit and I have no idea what to do.
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##Vote hopeless1der
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The other scum is RoL.
Watc
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On April 10 2013 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor unvote plox. RoL is scum, but you were willing to unvote him. If you're wrong, scum can come in and hammer if they coordinate
Look at that, a wild hopeless delurks.
I know RoL is also scum, and I'm fully aware I'm going all-in on you.
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Don't worry, you'll still be alive in 12 hours, then town will take care of you.
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Hopeless let me hear your reasons for lynching RoL then.
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LM and CC get discussed for lynch → RoL and hopeless nowhere to see.
I post stuff against you and RoL, and you both magically appear bussing each other.
Come on.
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Here, hopeless, let me formulate it for you:
Half of this game is him being afk, one quarter is justifying himself, the other quarter is making cases, then either fuck off or spam to hammer the read.
Then discussing stuff like where his townreads come from and the benefits of no-lynching, and asking who the medic is.
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Your increase in activity is remarkable.
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Hey LM. Any comments on the situation?
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And who is the second scum?
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GG scum. Deserved victory.
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I don't understand how town can be so much more inactive than mafia. CC and Lazer were like the most pro-town dudes in the game lol.
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On April 10 2013 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
GHOR FUCK YOUR QUICK RISK HAMMER WTF I SAID I WAS READING
Sorry must have missed that. Got trigger-happy there cause I was suspicious and pissed at risk not wanting to post and wanted to see his flip.
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First, something relevant:
All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that.
Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault.
You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me,
omgus:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote:Several hours before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:
@ risk
You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?
Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all  . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him. Shortly before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play. Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.
That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice. Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless? All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to". Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about. "But Ghor, I wasn't confident" I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification. So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).
You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.
Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. Seem like you do want towncred for it though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now. Sorry buddy :o]
##Vote risk.nuke
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote:
LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor
I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.
I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote:
##Unvote
Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.
RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point? On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote:
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote:
Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take.
RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago. On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die. On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will.
How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote:
I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view.
I want to lynch CC and risk equally.
Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC.
CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk.
Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened?
@ Lazer
Don't think VE is scum. On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote:
I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer.
I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me.
He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers.
I need him to talk civil before deciding.
And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 10 2013 20:44 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 19:29 Ghor wrote:First, something relevant: All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that. Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault. You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me, omgus: + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote:Several hours before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:
@ risk
You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?
Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him. Shortly before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play. Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.
That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice. Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless? All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to". Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about. "But Ghor, I wasn't confident" I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification. So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).
You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.
Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. Seem like you do want towncred for it though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now. Sorry buddy :o]
##Vote risk.nuke On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote:
LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor
I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.
I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth. Denial: + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote:
##Unvote
Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.
RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point? On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote:
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case. On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote:
Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take.
RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago. On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die. On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will. How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal. + Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote:
I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view.
I want to lynch CC and risk equally.
Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC.
CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk.
Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened?
@ Lazer
Don't think VE is scum. On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote:
I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer.
I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me.
He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers.
I need him to talk civil before deciding. And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him. Let me pull you out of your shell where I'm the idiot. It's not your word against mine, it's your word against everyone and saying I was a scummy dick in an attempt to make you feel/look better doesn't making it so. The cases against me WAS retarded you daft little fucker. I sat at this computer entire days ready to post. Do you know how fucking frustrating it is to put effort into a gamer and then your co-player doesn't or are retards? And then when the game is over the little fags have the nerve to try to pin it on me? I wasn't posting because I was going over you RoL and Hopeless trying to find which one of you was the retard and which two was scum. Then all of a sudden I get hammered by you YOU FUCKING RETARD. You can ask strong&big that I was around, I asked for the qt minutes after I got hammered. I was here.
serious business yo.
I laughed at dafty little fucker though
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