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On April 04 2013 00:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Why the hell are you defending Hopeless so hard, Lazer? Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed. It's funny you mention my and VE's vote for Hopeless. We are voting him for the exact same reasons. We pushed him at the same time. I have no idea why you like VE's reasons better, because they are the same. You think Hopeless is a 'decent lynch' but hard-defend the guy. In order for him to be a decent lynch you must have some sort of scum read on him --- and then proceed to contradict yourself by calling him town via meta. Then you say it's not even concrete evidence... What the heck is your stance on Hopeless? You seem nervous about him flipping. VE also mentioned how he lied about having his vote on Ghor, something that I find a far better reason to vote him than poor logic.
I'm not saying Hopeless is town or scum, I think this is quite clear in my post. He does indeed play scummy and isn't really helping town alot. Hence he is an okay lynch. But he plays similar to this in his town games, which makes it hard to determine if he is scum or not. This makes hopeless lynch a very risky lynch imo.
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Cc, can you specify why you find syl town?
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Two hours untill lynch and noone here to talk? : (
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What happend with "lolol the case on Syl is terrible". Now you call him scum for that exact reason? Hypocrite much bro? Also if you think that is the only reason I'm voting him then you need to read the thread....
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On April 04 2013 05:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Where did i call syl scum, you're delusional. Mybad. You call him scummy. Still proves my point as you obviously think that my case has some merit.
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On April 04 2013 05:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Syl isnt as scummy as Hopeless. The evidence against Syl boils down to his stance on me which can be explained by either alignment easily.
I just wish he would vote and take a stance. Other than that I don't think he's so scummy. I played a newbie with him and he was just the same as town; best mislynch eu. In fact, he seems like a really easy target to call scum.
Apologies, at work on phone illegally. I take this as you think he looks scummy but Hopeless looks worse. Why would you otherwise phrase it like that...
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On April 04 2013 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm pseudo-around.
I'm coming around to the idea of a Sylencia lynch tbh. You wanna try and nudge me over the edge? Other than repeating what have already been said: I'd say Hopeless recent half-suicidal moves are something scum aren't very keen on doing normally.
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On April 04 2013 05:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:25 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 04 2013 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm pseudo-around.
I'm coming around to the idea of a Sylencia lynch tbh. You wanna try and nudge me over the edge? Other than repeating what have already been said: I'd say Hopeless recent half-suicidal moves are something scum aren't very keen on doing normally. I don't understand this, why would scum do that normally? o.O, did I phrase myself wrong?(maybe a result of noobenglish...). I do NOT think scum do that normally
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On April 04 2013 05:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
*Sigh* argue all the syntax and diction you want, its not productive. My point remains. Sooooooooo... Where do you stand on Syl then? Null?
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On April 04 2013 05:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
And you're not convincing me of lynching Sylencia by convincing me to NOT lynch Hopeless. Try again. Give me a reason to prefer Sylencia OVER Hopeless. Well, its kinda down to Syl or Hopeless atm. But okay.
Sylencia has spent 0 amount of effort to hunt for scum. Sure, he calls some guys out for being scummy but doesn't follow it up at all. Why didn't he try to convince us CC was scum? Why doesn't he push Ghor who he is more confident in flipping scum? Why does he instead spend all his time defending himself dispite the fact that he wasn't really up for lynch untill very recently? All in all, I feel Hopeless haven't done the best job to scum hunt but he has at least put in some sort of effort compared to Sylencia.
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Well that sucks. I'm willing to swap over to Hopeless if we need to. No lynch is worst lynch...
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On April 04 2013 06:41 VisceraEyes wrote:While he's gone Lazer, how about you tell me what you think of his case on Cheese? He seemed pretty sure that Cheese should be the lynch, and if he's gone for the lynch he'll undoubtedly be furious that we didn't jump onboard. If you're so interested in what RoL has to say, why not comment on what he's said? To be fair, I didn't analyze the case on CC very much as he was not a realistic lynch by that time. I do however, have a some bad vibes about CC because of his wierdo flip flop on Syl...
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Guys, its time to consolidate...
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I'm having concerns about RoL atm. His whole game thus far has been very lurky and can be summerized by:
1. Fucking with VE. I don't think there was anything productive with his vote at all.
2. Voting risk.
3. Case on CC.
4. -
I'm cool with RoL beeing busy and what not but why the fuck does he post a case on CC and ignore everything else that was in the thread at that time? What happend with his scum read on Risk? He doesn't even mention Sylencia nor Hopeless once. Posting a case is cool and stuff but if the person your case on is relatively active, doesn't have alot of suspicioun on him etc then you cannot realisticly excpect to get that person lynched.
I'm having a few concerns with Hopeless and CC as well but for now
##Vote: RoL
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Hopeless, why does any of the stuff you mention make risk scum? Do you actually think that it would've been better for us to have had a no lynch?
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On April 05 2013 04:25 risk.nuke wrote:
Lazer, can you give me some original thoughts on someone besides RoL? I think its alarming that Hopeless two biggest scum reads are my biggest town reads atm ( Ghor and you).
CC is spending far to much time casting insults at everyone. Its quite demoralizing and we need none of that.
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On April 05 2013 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hopeless, why does any of the stuff you mention make risk scum? Do you actually think that it would've been better for us to have had a no lynch? Thats not even close to what I said. On April 04 2013 22:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: risk.nuke
His play has been to spam down anything that suggests he's scum. He claims to be one of the more active players, but my filter is just about as long as his. Instead of trying to push my lynch at deadline, he sits on his hands and refers to VE as the decision maker. Attempts to voteswitch last minute with the only reason being consolidation. No scumread on sylencia, but he's willing to let me slide for a day? Me voting sylencia makes sense as it was self preservation. Risk voting sylencia right at the last minute makes sense to avoid a no-lynch, but he didn't even try to push for my lynch and refuses to substantiate how "this isn't town Hopeless". Quite close I'd argue...
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On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum?
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On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum? No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum...
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