When I think you're mafia, you're town.

When I'm not entirely sure, but you seem town, you're mafia.

You're in the second category.

In other news, lynch your scumbuddy VE with me?

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 24 2013 21:33 GMT

#1522

On April 25 2013 06:32 Palmar wrote:

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infuriating you would be an improvement over what you've currently brought to the thread.

I'll echo this sentiment.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 24 2013 22:45 GMT

#1532

On April 25 2013 07:12 ObviousOne wrote:
K while VE figures out how to schedule some quality time with us I want to hear about ShiaoPi reads. Go.

That quality time is never going to happen.

Just a helpful from your friendly neighborhood scumkiller.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 00:19 GMT

#1537

What's with people telling me how to play?

I know exactly what I'm doing.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 00:27 GMT

#1543

On April 25 2013 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Actually you don't, your vote is on town and you're acting like a dickhole. Please reconsider your tactics. This isn't an order, it's a request.

Sheeping dead Vivax is not going to convince me that you're town.

I mean, you're in a bad position here, because yesterday you moved your vote from town to town without any second thoughts, and barely justified it.

If you are town, I'm surprised.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 01:41 GMT

#1574

I was more than able to identify you as town in RTP.

I'm seeing some of that this game, but not much.

I will say, if I'm wrong about you/Ace/BC, my wanting to lynch the fuck out of Palmar would rise unimaginably.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 01:49 GMT

#1578

On April 25 2013 10:44 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Dude I wasn't even IN RTP? Are you talking about the hydra game?

Hydra, yeah, whatever.

I'm tired.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 01:49 GMT

#1579

On April 25 2013 10:49 Ace wrote:
yamato wants to lynch us because we're popular. Go figure.

Actually I'm starting to just think you're bad.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 02:05 GMT

#1584

On April 25 2013 10:51 Ace wrote:

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good. Now do something about it. You're one of the worst posters in this thread and people are just too scared to get rid of you. You have been absolute trash.

I have made 3 cases against my suspects this game.

Right or wrong, I am not playing like trash. I might be spammy, but if that bothers you, I really don't care.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 02:12 GMT

#1589

So let's say we don't lynch VE.

Who is up for lynching the Cobbler? Why or why not?

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 05:11 GMT

#1617

I'd very much like to add BC to the list, since he has yet to show his face since last night.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 06:18 GMT

#1623

Ace, my filter is bigger than yours.

Where the fuck do you get "low activity" from?

Lol.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 06:45 GMT

#1626

Oh, that's right, it was Shiao who dropped that hammer.

WOW, I forgot all about that bullshit.

I could lynch him just for that.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 06:47 GMT

#1627

Also, you're an ass.

<3

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 08:54 GMT

#1632

So looking through your thought process at the time of the lynch, I don't see at all what you're trying to posit as the truth now.

On April 24 2013 00:03 ShiaoPi wrote:

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I forgot again why not hammer either of you

On April 24 2013 00:08 ShiaoPi wrote:
The question is much more why the fuck is he being silly if he is town?

On April 24 2013 00:13 ShiaoPi wrote:
Fuck it I am hammering oats now

On April 24 2013 00:14 ShiaoPi wrote:
Aaand off he goes
##vote: Oatsmaster

Zero mention of Oats before this and absolutely no indication that you thought he was scummy. You hammering him looks more like a mafia finding a reason to lynch town than a town reaching a tipping point of frustration with Oats like you would have us believe.

Yeah, you die for this. Sorry.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 14:30 GMT

#1644

Yeah I'm not in love with lynching either of Clarity or Hopeless myself.

I'd say you should look at BC, VE, and ShaioPi to make a lynch decision, if you can't find reasonable suspicion of someone else.

Though if you think VE is town, we might want to lynch Palmar. Like, a lot. A lot, a lot.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 15:12 GMT

#1647

The reason I think Palmar might be mafia is delving a bit into WIFOM, but it's an interesting thought.

The explanation of night actions that we know of is complicated, given that we have 1 role block unaccounted for and 1 KP unaccounted for. I will discuss here the relevant possibilities of all of the combination of events that could have led to the situation we are at now and discuss the likelihood of each event.

1) Palmar is role blocked by town JK and shot, and Vivax is shot, while scum JK either goes unused or was used on a scum player who did not claim it. I feel like this is not very likely. Scum would want to jail offensively, because they have no chance of blocking town KP on themselves or on another town. If true, however, Palmar is confirmed town.

2) Vivax was double-stacked and jailed, and Palmar was jailed by town. Palmar's alignment is unknown, but scum deny town a ton of information, as we see. RB+KP combo is a common mafia tactic for this reason. The variation that semi-confirms Palmar would be if town JK protected Vivax and scum offensively jailed Palmar, and Vivax was still double stacked. That feels more unlikely than the former.

3) Scum double stacked Vivax, role blocked Palmar, and town JK'd offensively and hit mafia, but they didn't claim. I feel this is unlikely, because a role block claim on N1 is a soft town claim, and town JK should be defensive N1 because you can't stop KP.

4) Scum KP was on Vivax and an Vet or SK/SP, who didn't claim being hit, scum JK went unused/used on mafia or was double stacked on Palmar with town JK. Town vet has no reason not to claim, as scum already know from claims that they are vet and can die tonight. Claiming might actually help keep confirmed town alive. Third party are fucked for this rationale, but would have claimed vet with the shot, I believe. This seems unlikely, based on claims so far.

So unless there are claims of shots taken or role blocks notified that have yet to be made, it is either 1 or 2, with 2 being more likely in my opinion. Combined with Palmar's somewhat disinterested play, and his insistence that VE is mafia throughout the game while consenting to some of town's wagons, this makes me believe he might be mafia.

Perhaps this is the truth even if VE is mafia, as Palmar's "push" of him feels weak, and the VE lynch has been successfully resisted twice now. Regardless of VE's alignment, then, Palmar should be looked upon with some degree of suspicion. I'd consider lynching him today.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 15:14 GMT

#1648

Or there's only one JK in the game.

In that case, ignore all of that.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 15:20 GMT

#1650

So I guess the simplest explanation for last night's actions is actually that there's only one JK, he's town, saved Palmar from 1 KP, and scum shot Vivax.

Or Vivax was doublestacked, which feels unlikely.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 25 2013 15:26 GMT

#1654

On April 26 2013 00:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:

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I guess so eh. I feel like BC is scummy. I have no idea why people think BM is town, however.

BM was pretty town yesterday. BC is very scummy, as I've been saying since D1.

The possibility of double stack Vivax is somewhat likely, now that I keep thinking about it. He was basically confirmed town on everyone's lists. Scum could have reasonably thought he could be protected. But if that's true, last night's actions have almost no bearing on Palmar's alignment. So maybe it's better to just ignore them altogether, in which case, I still say Palmar is reasonably suspicious based on his relative lack of effort in pushing his lynches.