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TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 04:06 GMT
#3496
Wait. Thats not what I meant to post! GAAAAHHH.

Well, fuck it. I think palmar should be roleblocked, either tonight if Jailer doubts his cop claim, or tomorrow if he wants to check to go through. Shia its hard to comment on because hes got nothing to really comment on, so I would say scum is a decent bet, sort of like Stutters and Maybe Kush or Yamato.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:21 GMT
#3569
On April 30 2013 19:18 Palmar wrote:
oh right sorry

so that means VE has you inno, I have you guilty.

guess I'm paranoid (or insane). Or VE is lying and is scum.

dunnoh, we know what to do for now.

Well you either mnage to randomly hit two guilties and got the luckeist cop checks ever, or your paranoid. I'm willing to bet paranoid.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:30 GMT
#3572
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK so as I have been thinking recently.

We know there is one jailkeeper running around.
We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead)
We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead
We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos)
We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead
We know a second rb happened n1. This means
a) palmar is lying
b) I am lying
c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.

Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.

We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.

Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:40 GMT
#3576
On April 30 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK so as I have been thinking recently.

We know there is one jailkeeper running around.
We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead)
We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead
We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos)
We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead
We know a second rb happened n1. This means
a) palmar is lying
b) I am lying
c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.

Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.

We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.

Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.


Me

Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:41 GMT
#3578
On April 30 2013 22:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK so as I have been thinking recently.

We know there is one jailkeeper running around.
We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead)
We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead
We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos)
We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead
We know a second rb happened n1. This means
a) palmar is lying
b) I am lying
c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.

Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.

We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.

I pretty much agree with all of this, except ShiaoPi could have been framed so its not 100%. Nevertheless, the correct move is to lynch him right now.

##Vote:ShiaoPi

Holy Crap where did you come from?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:44 GMT
#3581
So random question, if there is only 1 scum, based off the front page does that mean they get 0 kp? Because it doesn't say minimum of one. If so, then we can defently figure out if we have a sk or not.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:48 GMT
#3583
On April 30 2013 22:43 Bill Murray wrote:
Also, BC calling Palmar scum is a complete OMGUS if you look at the top of the page. Palmar just called BC scum. BC = active lurking here.

I think BC brought up a good point though. He claimed roleblocked, which means jailed, and Palmar went out of his way to mention multiple times that it was a JK that saved his life and it had to have been his life saved. Yet there was two roleblocks only on that night so... that is something. And I think of Palmar was really trying to push for BC instead of look kinda useful crazy cop man, he would have seen that descrepincy and mentioned it when he was saying he saw that BC came up red for his check.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:57 GMT
#3586
On April 30 2013 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:44 TheRavensName wrote:
So random question, if there is only 1 scum, based off the front page does that mean they get 0 kp? Because it doesn't say minimum of one. If so, then we can defently figure out if we have a sk or not.

I tentatively accuse Ace of being SP.

Well.... we only had two night kills once, so we can't even for sure there is a SK/SP yet unless he is the unluckiest bastard ever. JOAT Vigied is looking more likely at this point.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:59 GMT
#3587
Though I am certainly not ruling out the unluckiest 3rd party ever. Mafia seems to have gotten pretty unlucky this game too.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 14:13 GMT
#3590
On April 30 2013 23:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:43 Bill Murray wrote:
Also, BC calling Palmar scum is a complete OMGUS if you look at the top of the page. Palmar just called BC scum. BC = active lurking here.

I think BC brought up a good point though. He claimed roleblocked, which means jailed, and Palmar went out of his way to mention multiple times that it was a JK that saved his life and it had to have been his life saved. Yet there was two roleblocks only on that night so... that is something. And I think of Palmar was really trying to push for BC instead of look kinda useful crazy cop man, he would have seen that descrepincy and mentioned it when he was saying he saw that BC came up red for his check.

But if Palmar was lying and isn't a cop, why did he claim a guilty check on OO? If he isn't a cop and wanted BC lynched, he shot himself in the foot there.

He could claim paranoid, which he just did. It worked if he was believed, and sense no one bit thanks to our cop mass dibacle, he got another day to say he was paranoid.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 14:14 GMT
#3591
On April 30 2013 23:02 Sharrant wrote:
No one has claimed a roleblock besides VE today? I kinda figured there'd be one on one of the vets, I mean Palmar and then Ace was RB'ed n1/n2. Shiao is the proper lynch.

Well, they had to stop at least one of the cops.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 14:17 GMT
#3592
On April 30 2013 23:14 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 23:02 Sharrant wrote:
No one has claimed a roleblock besides VE today? I kinda figured there'd be one on one of the vets, I mean Palmar and then Ace was RB'ed n1/n2. Shiao is the proper lynch.

Well, they had to stop at least one of the cops.

EBOP: This make no sense actually so I take that back. I would assume the jailer thought for sre one of our cops was going to be shot, and he just picked the wrong one.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 14:18 GMT
#3593
Or, he picked right and the scum shot him and SK shot the other. We sadly don't know.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 14:48 GMT
#3611
Well I have a final I need to depart for in about ten minutes. i will not be back till around 2 pm EST in all likelyhood, so I will vote for palmar because I don't want to hammer Shiao just yet (Someone should probably unvote him till we get more weigh ins0 but I think if Shiao doesn't die, palmar defently should.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 14:57 GMT
#3614
On April 30 2013 23:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Not-so-random thought: Ace is 3p poisoner.
Explains 1 death tonight and my suspicions toward him last night. For the record I've never thought Ace is mafia; that's more or less impossible. 3p entirely possible.

That, is a rather good point actually. Damn it WoS.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 18:27 GMT
#3639
Look. No more mafia jailer. That's much more useful then clarity. Bussing looks to be a sure thing.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 18:40 GMT
#3641
On May 01 2013 03:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 03:27 TheRavensName wrote:
Look. No more mafia jailer. That's much more useful then clarity. Bussing looks to be a sure thing.

How is jailer more useful than extra mafia KP? The only thing that made the bus a sure thing was the likelihood of Clarity's being modkilled. It's possible they follow your train of thought, but either way bus was obvious and necessary for scum.

Case on Palmar inc., though not sure if more likely scum or town yet. I'm about halfway in.

The fact it roleblocks protects. And can shut down third party? Besides they traded one guy who was dead anyways for a guythat was saveable without cop claim.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 18:56 GMT
#3643
On April 27 2013 07:18 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 07:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ace you make an interesting point but I just don't feel good about a Clarity lynch. How many of those 6 matching voters would you say are scum, and what would it mean if Shiao does turn out to be scum?


*nods at the conclusion BC has drawn

WoS I honestly don't know yet. I've got a few players I'm leaning Scum on but I won't say because I'm not 100% sure and it doesn't make sense to start more wagons and finger pointing. Lets solve one thing at a time.

if Shiao does turn out to be Scum AND clarity doesn't then the matching voters look real townish and I'm just wrong. Why does a clarity lynch feel uneasy to you?

Up until about this posts ace is saying shiao is guilty or atleast addressing the issue. Once clarity gets popped up he just follows it and pushes for it while also stating shiao had to just be a dumb townie. In repayment for this service, shiao hammers himself once yamato brings ace up. Its lovely really.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 18:59 GMT
#3645
On May 01 2013 03:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright I can see that. Either way the fact that mafia have been bussing for most of this game isn't exactly news. TRN what are your thoughts on Palmar atm since I'm in the middle of analyzing him?

I'm debating. I wanna lean 3p but I need to see another night phase before I commit to that sense ther has been some doubt tossed about that scenario. Otherwise I see as much evidence he's town as he is scummy.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#3647
Your case makes me like scum palmar more than town. Not surw about 3, I still like it better unless we see some more night kills with only 1 death. If he gets roleblocked that would help me greatly, in deciding about him.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
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