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Hopeless1der
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Hopeless1der
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On May 03 2013 05:04 Palmar wrote: also, assuming ace is 3p, can someone like explain to me why it's a bad idea to just lynch him so the JK is free to try to counter the mafia nightkill? I was completely wrong in my initial reaction to this. We're going to have to lynch Ace at some point, right? Unless you think Mafia are going to be doing us any favors it is in our best interest to lynch Ace right the fuck now. Mafia KP is already as low as it will be until the end of the game. We also can't kill 2 mafia in one night, thereby removing mafia factional KP. Therefore it is most beneficial to town to remove the 3P ASAP and attempt to WIFOM the factional KP with our jailkeeper. ##Unvote: BloodyC0bbler ##Vote: Ace | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On May 03 2013 08:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Lynching Ace is dumb as long as we can roleblock him. We can't roleblock scum KP, we can roleblock poisoner KP so we'd have no use for the JK power anyway once Ace is dead. He's no threat to us until then. Lynch Hopeless or BC. I prefer BC because Hopeless is nice and BC doesn't give a shit. Calls me confirmed scum then fucks off after a short back and forth. Calls my case shit when his case on Yamato was far shittier. Never bothers to actually do anything other than defend himself and throw some mild accusations around with no conviction. Pls lynch. We can protect townies with the Jailer. Lynch Ace: Theoretically PERFECT game by both blocking the shot and lynching scum twice in a row Don't Lynch Ace, Jail him instead Guaranteed town deaths. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On May 03 2013 08:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually the JK could possibly protect town and get us extra days, hmm. I thought the same as you at first, it clicked so when I posted "Palmar was right" (all along?). | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On May 03 2013 23:07 Sharrant wrote: How can you be so bad at reading? How many times have I explained it now. If scum have a second vigi they fired it on night 2. It would look exactly like Ace was the serial poisoner. HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS BEEN SAID? Honestly, it's so frustrating. Lynching Ace right now gives the mafia an extra kill that we only have a chance to block, this isn't including things like a jail keeper may jail a doctor if we have one which means we potentially waste a lynch AND gain nothing for it. I want to lynch Hopeless, and then if he flips red, you hang next. That should be all the mafia, then Ace can die. If Hopeless isn't mafia, I'll look into everyone else again, but you're defending him by pushing the lynch off of him, giving mafia an extra night's worth of kills. That's why I ninja voted Hopeless. If you're not mafia, Hopeless, I'm sorry. But Artanis is doing a good job of making you look like you are. I can't blame you entirely because I believed it was better to hold off on Ace at first, but it is the most beneficial to town to kill him off ASAP. Get your shit together. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On May 03 2013 23:58 Stutters695 wrote: Looking at it objectively. We're 5 lynches from LYLO and in those 5 lynches we must hit at least 1 scum (assuming ace is sp). If at any point the jk gets nk'd we must instantly lynch ace to keep LYLO timing on our side. Planning worst case it seems much better to get ace out of the way since he will tie up a lynch regardless but unless the jk makes 2 successful saves it doesn't affect our lynch count anyway. I'm surprised this push on ace happened without really mapping it out. If you kill Ace now, the JK has the potential to protect townies 100% the rest of the game. Leaving Ace alive GUARANTEES town deaths (2nd doc/jk notwithstanding) | ||
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Hopeless1der
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but "BC's play was similar". Whatever....honestly I'd rather BC had said nothing and watched what stutters followed up with. As to that supposed TRN case I'm supposed to make, I stand by my filter dump portion: TheRavensName Most recent points against Palmar to me show well thought out reasoning as to why his mason role should be a pro-town entity and Palmar's actions are scummy. I feel scum would have verified their accusation, to prevent this kind of backtracking from being necessary. A decent amount of his thoughts on Sharrant and WoS were in line with rayn, but not in a buddying or forced way to me. Looks natural. This really looks like a 2nd Cedric questioning the FLAVOR of the flip post. Massive towncred to TRN. gratz. My reads are still thus: I'm confident at least 1 scum lies within BC, BM and Palmar. I'd probably lynch in that order right now. If thats not game over, I'd consider looking into Sharrant, TRN and Yamato next. Still probably in that order. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On May 04 2013 09:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Is there anyone that still thinks Hopeless is town?  | ||
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Hopeless1der
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I'm town you jerkface. On May 04 2013 09:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: How about you do what Palmar and I are doing? You know, trying to solve the game before we die. Cause he and I are both operating on the we get noosed. How about you do the same and work with us? I did this before it was cool. Its fine though. 12-2 right now, assuming 2 mafia and no remaining 3rd party. At the very least I feel safe assuming 1KP per night Upon day post: 11-2 Assuming fail-town / the purging, through successive nights we'll have Lynch+NK =9-2 Lynch+NK =7-2 Lynch+NK =5-2 Lynch+NK =3-2 i.e. 4 mislynches until LYLO Supposing Palmar/BC get their shit together and at least one of them is town, I have no problem taking up a cell in Azkaban. | ||
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I'm confident at least 1 scum lies within BC, BM and Palmar. I'd probably lynch in that order right now. If thats not game over, I'd consider looking into Sharrant, TRN and Yamato next. ##Vote: BloddyC0bbler For the record, do you honestly think there was a way out of Palmar's proposed 1-2 punch other than "well gosh that sounds swell"... /afk | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hopeless, is there anything you still want to say this cycle? If you are in fact town it'll be nice to have your updated reads. Anything new since your last read post? I find giggles' lack of followup on his promised reads disconcerting. Palmar/BC dont seem to have covered him either... On May 04 2013 08:03 GiygaS wrote: Jesus, BC, Palmar and BM when they work together is scary good. I still think all of you are town for your pushes on Clarity on Day/Night 1. I agree with most of your guys' thoughts, and think that Hopeless should be tomorrow's lynch as well. This is really sheepy and unsubstantial. Aside from that my reads havent changed, and giggles is only a blip on my radar now. If I haven't convinced anyone I'm town, I'm not going to start now. I continue to stand by my lynch order as previously stated. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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What are you guys waiting for exactly? If you think im scum hurry up and lynch me already so you can actually start playing the game again. I'd guess at 5 people who essentially showed up strictly to vote me and fucked off. They can't all be scum, so this game is very trivial right now until you start looking into these questionable actions. | ||
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On May 07 2013 02:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It might just be that Hopeless has given up and given permission to the other scum to bus him. He did sound fairly defeatist earlier. I'm more convinced at this point I'm a greater benefit to town dead than alive. There's too much bullshit reasoning right now. Once people realize they need to rethink their stance on a lot of things, I'd hope it clears up a lot of things. With Palmar/BC set to potentially resolve itself (pending JK assistance and NK information) the town is going to need to play an effectively town-favored vanilla game. By my count its likely to be 11 town v 2 scum or 10 town v 2 scum v 1 3rd Party Once we mislynch (its practically inevitable at this point...) we'll be playing a normal mini. @Yamato's read post, there's this excerpt: BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption. I'm hoping thats based on his supposed roleblocker read/breadcrumbs or something to that effect because otherwise I'd lynch Yamato for this read. @Jailkeeper, I suggest claiming at the deadline for the daypost with your targets in the event that you are killed during this coming Night. I am of the opinion that the information is more valuable than your life at this point. Confirming one of BC/Palmar and shedding some light on how accurate yamato's reads are could potentially end the game. Also DO NOT block Palmar since he needs to use his check, duh. P.S. my vote remains on BC. See Artanis' case and Palmar's comments on the night ping-pong discussions. | ||
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##Unvote: BloodyC0bbler ##Vote: yamato77 Baaah | ||
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On May 07 2013 09:01 yamato77 wrote: Regardless, we're lynching Palmar today. I thought we were lynching me. Didn't I just claim scum? | ||
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