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On April 24 2013 06:30 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 06:23 Vivax wrote:On April 24 2013 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:I had four hours, you guys just can't read my posts and are making stuff up. I was caught up with the thread when I made the case, I didn't say I thought I looked bad I said I felt guilty. On April 23 2013 11:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 11:34 Bill Murray wrote:On April 23 2013 10:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am here now and catching up, did not expect this game to start so soon, sorry. one hour later has read the entire game and made a case on sharrant? his case is really tunnely, and reaching, as well FoS Clarity Yeah okay I might have started reading and then figured I would read the last two pages and see palmar talking about possibly being the hammervote so figured I'd show my face. interested why you think my case is reaching, though. This refers to me saying that I'm here now, not my case post. and because I posted that I felt obliged to post some original thoughts, and I felt on a dealine cause it was 5 am. In fact my case post starts with saying I have no clue about oats. No, that was your answer to BM asking why you took an hour to cook that case against Sharrant. It wasn't BM saying "why do you post now"? There is a nested quote you're replying to with that. Can I just clear this up and then we move on? Apparently this is a really big deal. I was reading for 2 or so hours, then I decided in my genius I should look at the last two pages, noticed the word hammer and decided I would say "I'm here", then I finished reading and made the case.
Does that mean you replied to BM with something else than he intended?
He never criticized you for saying "I'm here".
So you read 2 hours, then announced you were here, catching up, then read another hour, and posted THAT case against Sharrant without knowing what was going on in the yamato / Oats issue?
Seems legit.
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Yeah, move on, I'm curious to see what you will deliver to Rayn's question.
You'll feel my breath in your neck this game.
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Actually I have this 99 % feeling that Clarity just lied.
I don't see how this recent version looks consistent with his answer to BM.
one hour later has read the entire game and made a case on sharrant?
his case is really tunnely, and reaching, as well
FoS Clarity
Yeah okay I might have started reading and then figured I would read the last two pages and see palmar talking about possibly being the hammervote so figured I'd show my face. interested why you think my case is reaching, though.
I was reading for 2 or so hours, then I decided in my genius I should look at the last two pages, noticed the word hammer and decided I would say "I'm here", then I finished reading and made the case.
Like, why didn't you say to BM "I've been reading for more than one hour" instead of "I might have started reading".
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The explanation doesn't add up at all.
Starts reading -> Says I'm here after 2h-> case after 1 h -> BM calls him out saying the case is bad and made in just one hour -> Clarity answers "Yeah well I figured I'd say hi after seeing that I didn't post anything -> Vivax calls him out again for quick case -> Clarity: "Yeah well I actually read for 3 hours."
Why does he answer to BM, talking about clarity's case being bad and the short time (second post), with a justification for his entrance post (first post)?
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Clarity could have replied, as town: "I actually read for 3 hours, so what's your problem with my case?"
But Clarity was scared that his case looked scummy cause of BM's reaction, so he instead posted a justification for his late entrance, which he knew looked bad, and felt guilty for. And he didn't want to correct BM in saying that he read for so long precisely cause he'd have had less justification to explain the bad case.
Now that he's being pressured for the short time in which the case was written, he gives another justification where he actually claims that he was reading for a longer time.
When BM pressured him, he wanted to make it look like he made something in haste by arguing that he wanted to post before the hammer.
Now that it's exactly the point against him, he says that he was actually reading for a longer time.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 07:33 Bill Murray wrote:
oats pushes for his replacement in a post
clarity shows up
He was "reading the last two pages" "mistakenly" seeing Palmar say there was a hammer? If he's catching up, why is he flittering around? Makes no sense in general. Instead, I would point you towards it being a sign of active lurking, and him not wanting to be replaced.
His case on Sharrant takes a reaching standpoint when it attacks him for questioning yamato and oats, the two main wagons of the day. Why is questioning them a bad thing? Clarity spins it as such...
I don't feel like he read the thread in that 50 minutes, plus filtered Sharrant, plus got all those quotes, plus responded to them all
Seems like scum that doesn't have to read... didn't respond to any of the events... responded to a filtered reaction of them. You see there is a miller claim, supposedly, but you have no thoughts on it? Any town would say "oh he was kidding" or "i thought he was being serious"... "Hes miller" "Hes scum" whatever
Blame the late entrance?
Blame Palmar?
Who else is he going to blame?
Please post like this as much as you can, and everyone will save bandwidth, time to read and bullets.
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BM.
What's your stance on yamato currently?
What do we make of tube and Drazak?
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BM's post adresses both of my posts. My original entry and my case post an hour later.
No, only your second. BM never mentioned your late entrance as accuse, but you felt like defending yourself for it.
He says "lol he read entire thread in 1 hour yeah right?" and comments that the case is bad
Yes, and you replied to it with a justification for your "catching up" post, instead of telling him that you were reading for 3 hours when he accused you of being too quick in catching up and dropping such a case, thus not answering to his accusations the same way you answered to mine.
Then people start spewing shit about how it "took me an hour from catching up to posting a case and that's impossible" even though I thought I fucking addressed that in the above post. So I clarify saying I had been reading two hours prior to my entry post.
That's cause you said different stuff to BM than to others even if the accusations are the same.
Everyone satisfied?
No. Hunt scum pls.
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Anyway, if you're town quit defending yourself cause you can't, not with me at least cause I won't believe what you say.
Find your scumreads and post your reasons, there's still enough time.
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@ Rayn
I might be speaking for Sharrant here, but large part of his case was founded on the fact that you defensively said: You want to lynch BM cause he's mafia, not for policy, but all the while saying that you lynch all claimed millers in earlier posts, there is no reason for BM being mafia, just policy.
And as I might add, we didn't know at that point if BM claimed, so your attack looked bad on multiple fronts.
@ Yamato
Your 5-man-scumteam seems weird, it seems focused on people who are rather at the center of attention, and you've become really spammy and seemingly nervous once contrasted by ace.
How are we supposed to know what ShiaoPi, tube, Drazak, stutters and hopeless are, for example? More information digging, less quick decisions please.
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Tbh, Rayn, the more I read Sharrant and his case on you, the more I want to lynch you, cause his points are just that good. You are guilty of many things in his regard.
One particularly odd thing was that he defended himself against you saying he is wasting time discussing policy, and upon his defense you replied that you weren't up for lynching BM cause policy, although he never accused you of that.
As for other scummy stuff you've done, it's in his case. He points out good stuff, and that's why I won't lynch him.
I've given you leeway lately cause you kept contributing, and was so sure that Oats would flip red that I put you among the null reads at that time when you jumped on board of the lynch, but currently I have you among the suspects again.
As for yamato, I am not sure at all if he's scum or town, but if he's town he's like a gift for mafia to push with his behaviour.
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3) I see. I'll wait until Bill Murray is back in the thread before I say anything more about this then, if I feel the need to say anything more.
Let's give ourselves another topic then. Pick a player who you would like to discuss with me, and I will read their filter while I cook and eat. I would suggest Mr. Cheesecake, but I would prefer it if you picked the candidate for discussion.
4) Don't know what you mean. He asked TRN a few questions, dropped a vote, probably for pressure, then dropped him when he saw what you were doing. He didn't say he had TRN as scum afterwards, it's only evident you are his scumread.
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Eh?
That quote is him asking you to provide a read on a player.
You say:
Why do you want me, your scumread to pick a player to discuss? If i thought you were scum i would be damn sure i wanted to pick the people we discuss (other scummy people).
Why did you not want to find out who my "scumbuddies" are when we were discussing people, and why did you let me drive the discussion?
Sharrant said:
Let's give ourselves another topic then. Pick a player who you would like to discuss with me, and I will read their filter while I cook and eat. I would suggest Mr. Cheesecake, but I would prefer it if you picked the candidate for discussion.
There's absolutely nothing scummy about that. He gave you the chance to show where you would scumhunt on your own at that point. You didn't do anything but defend TRN for strange reasons and want to policy lynch BM or lynch Sharrant up until that point.
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Rayn, question:
On April 24 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity i assume you have looked into BC/GiygaS/ShiaoPi as it's been many many hours since you said you'd do so. Any thoughts on them, especially on BC who yamato asked you about earlier?
You asked about ShiaoPi, but I see no instance in your filter where you actually comment on him in a way that suggests you're interested into him, yet you ask questions about him.
Could you give me a read of him?
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What appeared most damning to me was that Oats felt like listing up some random reads in front of different accusations, and being inconsistent with what he said about VE, it strengthened the look that those reads were plain fake.
Similarly to how clarity responded to BM's accusation for his case post with a justification for his entrance post.
I'm starting to lean town on yamato lately, but I don't like his play, it hurts both him and the town. I would appreciate if he went for more constructive approaches.
First of all, case against ShiaoPi for tomorrow:
Point 1: Low activity, opportunistic timings to post in the thread (his last return was to hammer Oats), low involvement:
On April 22 2013 12:32 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:24 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 12:07 ShiaoPi wrote:On April 22 2013 12:05 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 11:59 ShiaoPi wrote:
Oh if you have paid close attention to TRN then what is your stance on him now?
I am calling you scummy That he's fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things, and most likely town. What made you change your mind? This response is terribly lacking.... He realized that Rayn could be setting him up to give him town cred when he flipped. When Rayn stepped in to defend him I was sure TRN was either lynchbait, or one of Rayn's teammates. It seems more likely at this point he is lynchbait. TRN only had a small chance of actually being mafia, but a very good chance of attracting mafia attention either by virtue of A) being a weak player which they can use as town credit or to manipulate or B) was a weak mafia player who they could protect while looking like they're just trying to help out the new player. Rayn came in with a town read on him whose strength did not match what I had read in TRN's filter, so he was the person I was looking for. I find it interesting you see nothing at all to discuss between Rayn and Hopeless. At least more content than your last answer. If TRN only had a small chance of actually being mafia, why did you vote him? Isn't that fulfilling your own conclusion that you are mafia, by virtue of going after the lynchbait? What the fuck dude? Now what do you make of all the others who also defended TRN? All team mafia?? What do you say about Ace and others who also had a townread (or at least null) on TRN?
On April 24 2013 00:03 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:02 yamato77 wrote:
Let's not hammer Oats when his wagon is just a carbon copy of mine.
Kthnxbye. I forgot again why not hammer either of you
On April 23 2013 00:02 Sharrant wrote:
It's a good try, Rayne, but no.
Let's get this out of the way quickly because I have to leave, and there's more important things to do when I'm back.
The reason I looked into you is because of your chainsaw defense of TRN. That fit exactly what I was looking for, so I went through your filter.
I am not trying to lynch you on the merit of you defending TRN, get that through your head. I am going to get you lynched because you are scum. You claim that after posting several times about how miller claims should be a policy lynch, you say that it's not a policy lynch you're pushing on BM. The closest you come to make to a case is "This isn't a miller lynch policy, I'm lynching him because he claimed miller which is scummy" which is exactly the same as saying "No, this isn't a lurker lynch, I'm just lynching because his low activity is scummy". It's just attempting to disguise that you were trying to policy lynch him.
The post I voted for you details exactly why I have you as a scum read. The possibility that you were a townie who made some crazy defense on TRN went out the window when I read through your filter.
If you can't understand that, I can't help you.
As we see in these posts, Sharrant could not have possibly done much to cause a change of read in ShiaoPi, in the time where either didn't post any more.
As evident in the filter, ShiaoPi treats Sharrant as his scumspect, and when Sharrant answers to what ShiaoPi says last, ShiaoPi ignores it, disappears, Sharrant then posts his last post, and we see ShiaoPi magically appear to hammer either Oats or yamato later.
Without any attempts to talk about Sharrant or give reasoning, or somehow support clarity in his case against Sharrant.
ShiaoPi is the guy I want to lynch most tomorrow
I'm expecting a read on him from Rayn cause he asked questions about ShiaoPi but doesn't give opinions on him, I don't see where his interest is coming from when he doesn't show it himself, and he ignored my question so far.
Clarity and Shiao being scumbuddies might explain why Shiao didn't try to support clarity in his case, additionally to Oats and yamato possibly being town and no need for scum to deviate a wagon.
This is hypothetical regarding the two, I feel quite confident that clarity lied, but then again he made a case on someone that wasn't Oats, so I'd prefer to give him some benefits for that and thus prioritize a ShiaoPi lynch over a clarity lynch, also cause we still have to see what clarity has to offer during the day now that he apparently is aware that the game has started.
Shiao tomorrow pls.
Let's watch out for the Cobbler if he stays alive, he will have to post some more reasoning than during the last times, at least .
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On May 18 2013 10:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think if I could go back and do this again, knowing what I know now, i'd have modkilled geript. Then again, maybe not. I guess if I could really go back I'd modkill both heads at once. That'll be my new policy from now on: one slot, one fate
Having a scum hydra is already a great advantage. It increases the amount of forgivable bullshit it can produce cause they can blame it on disagreement, it also looks twice as active.
Should have modkilled, but I can't deny that a modconfirmed guy staying alive until lylo should raise red flags.
props to Palmar for catching geript so quickly.
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Never would you have been able to get away with your play without the stuff marv did. You have been praised by the hosts for not doing anything useful looking to justify your not-being-nightkilled, when faking usefulness and involvement properly is the stuff that makes a good scum, and you didn't have to do that cause of a cheater.
I don't understand how you can't admit that his play there made it so much easier for you, and instead you start calling others lazy and the balance insufficient to try and justify something like that.
That post influenced the game heavily, whether it was town's fault to believe it or not doesn't matter. The host allowing that to pass was like a confirmation of what marv said.
If any hydra head said after death "I have been modkilled cause I flamed the host after he didn't acknowledge my DT-check sent late in" and the host simply doesn't react saying "modkill discussion later yo", then town will tend to assume that it is true.
At least any post-death information should be dealt with by the host by saying that it's false and warn the hydra to discourage that play in the future, also forcing the player to edit out the post. Maybe it should be made a general rule. That play had to fall back onto geript, not onto town. Why did others have to waste their time for something that should be supposed to fall back onto the cheater.
Still, giggles played best, hands down. If you deserve a win it'd be cause of him. But I have no respect for your hydra's play (and especially for your attitude after this happened)
+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2013 00:16 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 23:46 Palmar wrote:On May 20 2013 23:05 geript wrote:
If Marv were trying to cheat, then he would've been giving me strategy throughout. I don't think Marv needed to say anything in order to mod-confirm me. Nothing Marv said wasn't implied something that wasn't what BH said. At no point was I unlynchable. No one actually posted a good case against me and that's what it takes in that type of situation. point being that situation shouldn't have existed in the first place. If you were 1% harder to lynch because of this, the game is ruined and invalid. I agree that the situation shouldn't have occurred, but the teams should be balanced as well. Neither should mod killed players have flipped until the end of day/night. Neither should anyone have gotten a free pass to post after the hammer. Neither should the teams have been so imbalanced from the start. Palmar, BC, Dr H, VE, Yamato vs 1/2 Marv is not fair especially in instant majority. Scum getting 1 "confirmed town" in exchange for losing their vet is not a great exchange. Town lost because they were lazy. Palmar, you were lazy and lost because of it. Hosting did not make you lazy; if you want to win, then play to win. You had 8 days to lynch me and never put forth effort to do so. Don't blame the hosts for your actions. On May 18 2013 08:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:43 Palmar wrote:Just for the record I would be pretty heavily leaning scum on geript if it wasn't for the QT thing. The most alarming thing is not actually the random town-read on me, but his explanation of sylencia's alignment: Sylencia -- As far as I know he is a noob, so I'm guessing more likely town then When this read was made Sylencia had posted the following: On April 21 2013 17:11 Sylencia wrote:
I would kill to be something other than a VT, but hey. On April 21 2013 18:04 Sylencia wrote:On April 21 2013 17:12 yamato77 wrote:
I would kill you.
Thoughts? Seems like a bad idea to me. PS: Anyone who tries to analyse my first post in the future is dumb. On April 21 2013 18:43 Sylencia wrote:On April 21 2013 18:18 yamato77 wrote:
You seem a little too nervous about my post.
Maybe you are a good person to kill. Er, what makes me come off as nervous lol This "read" is based on absolutely nothing, and whether or not Sylencia is a noob has almost nothing to do with his read. I don't understand this read and why on earth it's part of his "analysis". Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:51 Palmar wrote:On April 22 2013 08:50 Vivax wrote:
Palmar, do you want to question geript's alignment?
Do you want to question Sylencia's alignment?
Cause I don't see why you are pointing this stuff out if that's not your intention. I have no information to question Sylencia's alignment I just posted the stuff about geript because I REALLY wanted to say it. That being said I don't think we should lynch him today based simply on the pseudo-confirm. Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 19:13 Palmar wrote:
getmoript - still looks awful, but cheated and didn't get modkilled so lynching him is pointless. if he's scum the game is invalid . Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:07 Palmar wrote:On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Geript is town because I understand how he thinks. I was just in a Hydra with him not long ago. His perspective on the game is similar to what I saw there. He's a little tunnelish, and genuinely doesn't understand my play this game. I believe it. No, geript may be the scummiest person in the thread, he just skates by on the modconfirm thing. Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:32 Palmar wrote:
I'm honestly kinda lost. I think I would sheep WoS but he seems to want to lynch me.
dunnoh
geript is super scummy, those reads he threw out with absolutely no reasoning behind them back on day 1 still bother me, but he does have the modconfirm thing going. so.... whatever.
Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 01:33 Palmar wrote:On May 11 2013 01:32 kushm4sta wrote:
i will look at giygas later today. i haven't really thought about him at all. check out getmoript too please. I know about the modconfirm thing, but he has some real bad stuff in his filter. Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 01:20 Palmar wrote:
Just a question on personality.
I've don't know geript that well, but I've spoken with him, and he came across as a guy who wants to improve, wants to learn and is enthusiastic about the game of mafia. Maybe I'm overestimating him, but I kind of read him as a promising new-ish guy who would attempt to win the game no matter the odds.
I just see such a completely different attitude here. Compare the attitude of myself, WoS and Artanis in these last few days with geript's attitude. It's blatantly different. He's not even trying to win the game for town, which means, to me, that it's likely he isn't town.
Did you know that geript has an 11 page filter. Page 10 starts on like may 3rd. He's posting like 1-2 times a day since the Ace lynch. He's not involved at all and seems to care very little what happens, yet he's emotional enough to viciously attack me for no good reason.
dunnoh...
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On May 21 2013 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax, being mad at me for posting post-death is fine, but don't pretend I claimed anything town-related in that post, please.
You would hardly have mafia be to eager to set up an own hydra qt to the point of getting modkilled when they get a scum qt with their role PM.
At least this is what I thought when I made a judgement about geript
I just want geript to face that his play had few to do with his victory, and blaming the loss on Palmar or justifying his advantage with balance is a piss poor attitude, which is what motivated me to post.
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