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On April 24 2013 17:51 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 17:47 Ace wrote:On April 24 2013 17:40 yamato77 wrote:On April 24 2013 17:35 Ace wrote:On April 24 2013 17:32 yamato77 wrote:
He was after TRN, which he later dropped, and rightly so. His case was meh, but his conclusion that TRN was likely town is not one I would see a mafia in Sharrant's position make.
His read on geript seems genuine. Despite the claim, he finds geript scummy, but can't lynch him because of the sentiment that he's town for the host interaction.
I like his read on you and how he handled it. I like how he interacted with BM, it seemed honest and a real product of frustration.
He also has a scumread on Hopeless. I haven't personally looked at Hopeless, but that's another point in his favor.
In the time he has been here, I like Sharrant's contributions, even if he may be wrong about some things. ??? If Sharrant is Scum and TRN isn't then what other conclusion is he going to make? Like seriously, I'd be interested to know because there aren't many. The part in red is just ridiculous. Furthermore, I've seen plenty of mafia tunnel an unpopular scumread to look original. Happens all the time. I rarely see mafia back down from an early read, and even if they do, I even more rarely actually say that person is likely town and close the door on lynching them. That's not a mafia mentality. The part in red is not ridiculous when we're discussing the NUMBER OF SHARRANTS READS. No matter whether I agree with him or not, his read on Hopeless seems genuine and not bullshit. Ok, and I've seen plenty of mafia players back off their original reads to look like they aren't tunneling. Good, now that we've got the made up hypotheticals out of the way lets get back to this game. You stated that if Sharrant was Scum, him calling TRN town eventually in his current position doesn't make sense. What position was Sharrant in? Was he in danger of being lynched? No - so how can you really glean anything from what he says about TRN's alignment at the moment? Your post screams you automatically assumed his alignment is Town and then worked backwards. If you don't know Sharrant's alignment your entire example fails hard. Making a case on hopeless1nder doesn't mean anything. I mean you didn't even point out what about the case was rock solid, you just said "yea that's a point in his favor". That's utter bs. I did none of that.
You're making shit up.Lol, Ace.
ok well I'm going to leave this up for everyone to see your nonsense.
On April 24 2013 17:32 yamato77 wrote:
He was after TRN, which he later dropped, and rightly so. His case was meh, but his conclusion that TRN was likely town is not one I would see a mafia in Sharrant's position make.
You are concluding that the reason Sharrant can't be Scum is because he wouldn't tunnel a player he knows is Town in his position. For one you've failed to tell us what position Sharrant was in that makes it so unique. You didn't. You keep dodging the point about assuming he must be Town. You even tried to bring up some dumb hypothetical about Scum players not wanting to tunnel someone they know is Town. Even if we assume this is true - Sharrant hasn't been active enough for you to get that read so easily. How is it possible that you know Sharrant isn't capable of that kind of play when he's been missing for the last 48 hours? There is no way you could be so sure and everyone else be off.
Point blank - just because Sharrant tunneled a guy and backed off doesn't wipe out the possibility that he is Scum. Even if you assume that is a play that Scum wouldn't do most of the time you never explained why Sharrant himself isn't capable of doing it. You're scum because there is no way you would be able to make such a conclusion and miss the obvious pithole in that logic if you were actually reading him without foreknowledge of his alignment.
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Vivax didn't have a Mason partner. There was nothing to crumb as the rules didnt allow him to Mason up until Night 1. He was killed because he was on the right track.
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@OO: VE has been coasting but "not paranoid enough to be Town" doesn't mean the guy is Scum. He could easily just not be giving a fuck.
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On April 24 2013 23:26 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:On April 23 2013 05:46 Vivax wrote:
I'll tell you who I want to lynch the most today:
##Vote Oatsmaster
His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression.
Here he started like that, to turn defensive when threatened by me and Palmar, and his involvement seems to be very low afterwards, he rather trolls or talks about irrelevant stuff, and doesn't post much. Scared Oats. seriously, lets not do this. No meta cases please. We need 13 votes to secure a lynch by deadline - how about we not bring up lynching people with no context in THIS game whatsoever? You aren't going to convince many people with this, and you're just stalling the yamato wagon. Dont do this bullshit. Ace, I have been listening to the most recent podcast and an interesting note came up regarding use of meta. D1 meta should never be used ever, according to someone on the cast, and it is often used as a crutch by scum to secure mislynches. Does this ring true to you, and if so does this change your perspective on Vivax at all? I ask because it seems despite your apprehension to using meta this early in the game, you seem to have come around to supporting Vivax's case: Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote:
To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated. So I brought up Vivax's filter and I see he rounded out a legitimate case on Oats that leads to you coming to this conclusion. Two points from Vivax: - Oats says VE has good reads: he did the same exact thing in boardwalk as town with VE scum, I think there might be a Craigslist Missed Connection ad VE should be looking for. Not sure what I'm not seeing that happened before this and we can't ask Oats anymore but perhaps VE can clarify whether or not they have a history together that would explain Oats thinking he's right/town all the time. - Oats found Palmar's post scummy, VE said Palmar would be town for that: Oats is just random as fuck. I don't think there's a more effective way to say it, but even the above point fits into this category.
I want to ask you specifically how familiar you are with Oats' playstyle and general thread presence outside of what you've seen in this game. Admittedly I didn't do anything whatsoever to convince town that Oats was a bad lynch, and these are thoughts in retrospect, but they are leading to this final question: Would town VE be suspicious of Palmar for that kind of post, from your experience and from your opinion this game, or does his off-the-cuff town read of Palmar come TOO easily? I'm not getting town vibes from VE, his style here seems to be passive enough that he's confident town will tear itself apart as scum or he's simply too busy with other things that unless he is under direct threat of lynch he will be around just enough to keep above the activity level of some of the scummier lurkers. I think he's mafia, but I've been wrong every single time on my initial read of him that I'm leery of pushing it unless it makes enough sense to at least one other person.
I screamed at Vivax for the meta case because I have little faith in them - they are just usually excuses for people to mischaracterize another person's play with no context and ignore what is happening in the current game. Vivax's next few posts went into detail on Oats play this game so it was a much better look and I came around.
I played with Oats in Ego Mafia I think? He wasn't really standing out too much and that led to him being lynched as Scum.
As to the bolded:
For now it is too difficult to tell why VE is so casual towards Palmar and vice versa. They aren't actually trying to do anything which should result in a wagon but for some reason almost everyone just blissfully ignores them and lets them prance around. I agree that VE doesn't scream Town. He isn't trying to prove it at any rate which is a flag. He's clearly active enough to be watching the thread whenever his name pops up though.
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On April 25 2013 05:13 Palmar wrote:
I need a few things cleared up to proceed.
a few things like what?
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Green font it and see if the mods make that info public.
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On April 25 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
ZHER INTERESSANT
I'm left wondering how Ace knew the intimate details of the role before I did, when I'm a mason FANBOY. :/
Did I miss something in the OP that's glaringly obvious or something?
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rayne VE has trouble reading the OP lol
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ShaoPi's been missing for a while now
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## vote ShiaoPi
Palmar what is the actual case you have for lynching VE?
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yamato wants to lynch us because we're popular. Go figure.
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On April 25 2013 10:49 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 10:49 Ace wrote:
yamato wants to lynch us because we're popular. Go figure. Actually I'm starting to just think you're bad.
good. Now do something about it. You're one of the worst posters in this thread and people are just too scared to get rid of you. You have been absolute trash.
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very good point Bill Murray. A sad but unfortunate truth.
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Bill what do you think of ShiaoPi? We have a number of low activity players but right now VE is being pushed for vague reasons. I dont think most of the guys voting him believe he is actually Scum and just want to fuck around and get him killed for the lulz.
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On April 25 2013 11:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
haha WoS! Let's go into a shouting contest? I'm kinda drunk too. :D
Ace why is VE not scum? Is there anything you find townie in his posts?
I think he's more useless than Scum even with the small red flags earlier. I'm also hoping other people show up and weigh in before I vote for VE. We don't need a quick lynch today.
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On April 25 2013 11:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ace are you okey with lynching Clarity?
really indifferent on him. Like ShiaoPi he needs to show up and post. The good news is it's going to be Night 2 and Vigis will get active and eliminate all of these lurkers.
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Actually reading Sharrant's post I think we might as well get the wagon started. Clarity was dead wrong calling the Oats and yamato wagons policy lynches. As Sharrant said he must have been skimming filters looking for buzz words because that isn't even close to what happened.
## vote Clarity_nl
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Sign up for Cruise Ship Mafia yo
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@getmoript: For the sake of argument, would you say Clarity, VE and ShiaoPi are our top wagons for the day?
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Ok so check this out from my notes.
We know Oats was a Town mislynch. The person who started the case was Vivax who also flipped Town. We know this wasn't a Scum started lynch but with a hammer of 13, I doubt it's possible that 0 Scum were on Oats' wagon. This is the list order:
Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi
I'm going to remove myself and Vivax obviously. Ignore rayne for now because of his activity levels, and clearly yourself.
Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi
Almost this entire remaining list is full of low activity players. I highly doubt out of all remaining 11 names here not 1 is Scum and I think this is where we should start paying attention. A townie is getting lynched and just too many people that lurk are on here and not all of them can be Town. It also just so happens that VE and ShiaoPi are on this list too. With vigis waking up tonight I'm all for them clearing out the lurkers on this voting list, while we potentially lynch from here. Of course one suspect (Clarity) isn't here but we can discuss that too.
Thoughts?
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