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On April 23 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote:
also being inactive in this game is unusally scummy because BH sent a pm to everyone in the game 24 hours before the game started which required a response to be in the game.
So everyone here is fully aware when the game started and reminded of it very close to the start of the game. So being afk or saying nothing is almost inexcusable.
I don't see Rayn in your list.
He's among the Who knows I suppose?
Took a look at OO. His posts look very thought out, but I can't draw the line between thought out and artificial yet. He does tell us quite a bit about how he's going to look through filters and stuff, instead of directly getting to the point with the conclusion he gets out of them. That reads somewhat scummy to me, and he seems kinda self-centered in his posts.
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CC, let's talk a little. Who do we lynch? I do like ShiaoPi as lynch as well, so do we start making cases and stuff or do you think we should stick to a policy?
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I'll probably take hopeless out of my scumspects for now. Not every bad idea is necessarily a scum agenda, meh. I do hold in high regard that he actually goes against Rayn, as he's another guy I'd lynch.
On April 23 2013 01:25 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote:
CC, let's talk a little. Who do we lynch? I do like ShiaoPi as lynch as well, so do we start making cases and stuff or do you think we should stick to a policy? What policy are you advocating/open to exactly? A lurker lynch or did I miss anoth er policy that wasn't the miller claim one?
Either Drazak for excusing himself out (ask for replacement if you can't play the game), or people showing up late in the day without some damn good contributions. A damn good contribution isn't a huge post with a vote at the end, like RyuSuzaku in The game™, who rolled scum.
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I think I'll leave it there, cause I simply DETEST AND HATE the way you're playing. Didn't you learn anything from Noir Mini or are you pathologically shy?
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Currently reviewing Rayn cause unsure. Actually, would not lynch today.
Hopeless pisses me off.
Let's get a somewhat methodical approach to this since it's turning into shit-throwing.
Hopeless : Why is Rayn scum? Why do you lurk like a mofo?
Rayn: What would be your course of action today if you couldn't lynch Sharrant? I see that you two get into each other's hair for stuff that proves the other to be wrong on something (You for saying controversial stuff about BM, he for saying you're trying to take credit from TRN's defense)
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On April 23 2013 01:57 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote:I'll probably take hopeless out of my scumspects for now. Not every bad idea is necessarily a scum agenda, meh. I do hold in high regard that he actually goes against Rayn, as he's another guy I'd lynch. On April 23 2013 01:25 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote:
CC, let's talk a little. Who do we lynch? I do like ShiaoPi as lynch as well, so do we start making cases and stuff or do you think we should stick to a policy? What policy are you advocating/open to exactly? A lurker lynch or did I miss anoth er policy that wasn't the miller claim one? Either Drazak for excusing himself out (ask for replacement if you can't play the game), or people showing up late in the day without some damn good contributions. A damn good contribution isn't a huge post with a vote at the end, like RyuSuzaku in The game™, who rolled scum. Ah I see. And your active scumspect is Ray? My lab is about to start so I can't really glance through all the lurkers right now but personally I would rather lynch someone more scummy and active, so many lurkers that its such a crap shoot on hitting a right one.
D1 lynches are often a crapshoot.
If you think we shouldn't lynch a lurker, then bring ahead a better option.
Mislynching lurkers doesn't hurt town outside of numbers and actually reduces the pool of insecurities, mislynching actives does pretty much always hurt town.
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Hopeless, can I ask
To me, early game:
Palmar's explanation for why he gave you a townread doesn't make sense to me and I want to question it. No one is confirmed fuck-all until they flip, but you throw it around based on the fact that they posted in the thread before you. I'd call that as you being reckless. Not scum, not town. Palmar disagrees and has cited some kind of reasoning. I wish to hear it.
About me, lately in big post:
Palmar, based on the plethora of information from Vivax's two posts, the first ones in the game, declares Vivax to be unlynchable. Just like that. And that was alright because I felt similar about it. I mean I'd still have an open mind, but Vivax's post did put me onto a townier side of Vivax. My problem with Palmar's post was that he called something really fucking stupid a valuable towntell heuristic.
why first you say my post was null, and then say it puts me on the townier side of things, all the while arguing against the heuristic?
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Btw, saw some movement in the replacement thread (3 are concerned), so we should probably pick our lynch target with care, if we policy lynch.
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On April 23 2013 02:12 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 02:06 Vivax wrote:Hopeless, can I ask To me, early game:
Palmar's explanation for why he gave you a townread doesn't make sense to me and I want to question it. No one is confirmed fuck-all until they flip, but you throw it around based on the fact that they posted in the thread before you. I'd call that as you being reckless. Not scum, not town. Palmar disagrees and has cited some kind of reasoning. I wish to hear it.
About me, lately in big post:
Palmar, based on the plethora of information from Vivax's two posts, the first ones in the game, declares Vivax to be unlynchable. Just like that. And that was alright because I felt similar about it. I mean I'd still have an open mind, but Vivax's post did put me onto a townier side of Vivax. My problem with Palmar's post was that he called something really fucking stupid a valuable towntell heuristic.
why first you say my post was null, and then say it puts me on the townier side of things, all the while arguing against the heuristic? You had two posts that were being referenced. The first was that everyone before you was town. That was nonsense and the reckless part I refer to. The flippant response to ShiaoPi gave me a similar vibe to what Palmar cited. My issue with Palmar's post was that it did not seem well thought out and was actively putting on blinders regarding your alignment. He supported his read with some throwaway reasoning and it read as sketchy buddying to me. VE pointed out that it is unlikely to come from Palmar, but that's how I viewed it and wanted to see what was up. As a general feel, I can see how someone might believe that scum are more likely to lurk in their qt at first, but...just no. Not true at all, especially in the way that you used it and in the way that Palmar supported your foolishness. At the end of all this it scarcely matters because Palmar remains on my "look at when he's still alive day 3" list.
Well, what gave me reason for concern was your motivation behind that attack, not if you were right on the heuristic, cause that (and you also questioning somebody else's townread on VE) gave me the impression that your goal in this game is to antagonize townreads, not argue why somebody is scum, which is something you clearly were doing, and doesn't seem like something a townie would feel like doing, since you would be attempting to reduce confusion about people's alignments and persuade others about them, not trying to keep alive the confusion by arguing over townreads.
Not sure if it was just bad play, since it could easily be scumplay too. But if you want to do something more useful than stopping others from getting townreads, then point us towards your scumreads please.
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As you can imagine by now, I would hardly be so weird to pull through what I said earlier, which was more in the category of early game derping. I am suspicious of ShiaoPi, and I could also see myself lynching yamato for his unusual play, who both were early posters.
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BC, any other people you're looking at besides OO and yamato? Asking cause I have trouble getting to a proper choice, but I currently have no reason to trust you either. Your contributions this game seem quite different to what I'm used to in your town games.
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Or to put it differently, your conclusions are quick, have rather poor reasoning, little doubt, and your filter looks overall shit.
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On April 23 2013 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:21 Vivax wrote:
Or to put it differently, your conclusions are quick, have rather poor reasoning, little doubt, and your filter looks overall shit. I die d1 / n1 virtually every game where towns typically overall have terrible play / doing really wtf. Its to the point that anything I view as extremely easy to understand logically I will likely not explain fully. Why? Because I am not here to teach you how to play. Also anyone who bases reads on a player exclusively on a filter without the context of posts should be ashamed.
I am just aware of the influence a player with strong reputation can have even without proper reasoning behind it, which makes it a dangerous attribute if that player is mafia. I wanted to have it pointed out, now that you and ace are trumpeting for a yamato lynch.
I am not contesting the quality of your read as I'm suspicious of yamato and OO myself, but I'm contesting the process through which we might be heading to the lynch, which is quickly and without further investigation on why yamato or OO might be mafia. I disagree with your reasons to call OO scum, as it works from the premise that there's scum waiting to claim miller, as you seem to say here:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2013 04:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 04:39 yamato77 wrote:
Why could only a mafia player make that statement? Simple, its setting up a situation in which a miller can claim to get himself not lynched. Guess what? if you are someone who gets red checks on you, you get lynched or shot. If I claim self aware miller and town accepts it, whats to stop mafia from doing it once? Whats to stop them from doing it period and hope to god a ton of other people don't claim? If you accept bullshit claims like that then it auto confirms people for no reason other than players are stupid. If you are someone who gets a red check when checked you die.
Even if you disagree with his policy, I don't see it necessarily coming from scum, speaking of which, I wouldn't have lynched a miller if he claimed right at the start of the game, but it wouldn't be a reason to give him leeway either.
@ Yamato
Can you go in depth with your most important reads, as they seem to have very little foundation? Townies can have "ass" reasons to call you scum as well. Also explain your unusual play, does it have a background or do you think you played "standard"?
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I'll tell you who I want to lynch the most today:
##Vote Oatsmaster
His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression.
Here he started like that, to turn defensive when threatened by me and Palmar, and his involvement seems to be very low afterwards, he rather trolls or talks about irrelevant stuff, and doesn't post much. Scared Oats.
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Don't worry, I'll deliver some context, slow and steady, hot and juicy:
On April 22 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:33 GiygaS wrote:On April 22 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is me being 'wrong' make me scummy giygas.
Also was me asking VE what made Palmar town trying to dissuade a town read, or trying to solidify my read?
What is the difference and why does that make me scummy? You being 'wrong' isn't really anything against you, I just figured I might as well add it in. Actively trying to spread suspicion by stopping town reads is what scum wants to do. When I read it it seemed to me that you wanted to dissuade a town read. On April 22 2013 10:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Giygas as your self appointed lawyer I must remind you that you do not have to answer any of these questions, as you have not yet been charged with a crime. Thanks kush, haha. Right, so Im scum because I questioned VE's town read on Palmar off 1 post when VE offered no explanation other than, 'only town palmar does this'. Makes a whole lotta sense. OO I explained why I found the first post of Palmar scummy earlier, short summery was that he asked the thread to discuss a townread rather than a scumread and I found that pointless and useless this stage of the game. Palmar day 1 either lurks like a fucker or is useful. So far not useful but I like his responses after that. Also VE has decent reads and Im feeling like town VE although I apparently cant read him. DONT CARE. Bleh, Dont really feel anyone is particularly scummy other than yamato for showing up and fucking off without doing ANYTHING.
Possibly Sylencia but he does this shit every game town or mafia. Although his last town game he posted longer stuff. So really really superficial read on his post length makes him SCUM. Then yamato isnt. But whatever.
Facts about the bolded:
- Oats says VE has good reads
- Oats found Palmar's post scummy, VE said Palmar would be town for that
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. I think Palmar would never make this read as scum. Discuss
- VE had geript as scumread before Oats posted this, but when Oats posted this:
1. Geript was basically modconfirmed
2. Nowhere do we see that Oats is agreeing on VE's scumread on geript.
Wishywashy post with lots of unconfirmed and incorrect stuff. Add the meta to it and you have a tiptop D1 lynch.
/summon Palmar
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It's simpler than that, although Oats actually not going into detail or having congruent reads with VE plays a role as well. Oats scratched as few reasons together to throw around some reads with weak justification after being pressured by two people: OO and Giygas. OO's question he didn't quote was this:
On April 22 2013 10:55 ObviousOne wrote:
As far as Oats is concerned, I'm going to give him a full day to put his madness in the thread, make a call, and stick with my read at that point. For sanity reasons.
@Oats
You called Palmar scum, I'd love to know why. I don't see Palmar being scum at this point. Show me how Palmar is scum and maybe you will get a couple townie points.
Alright, so Oats called Palmar scum and didn't explain it yet, oats received some explanation from VE on why Palmar is supposedly town.
On April 22 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea is that anyone who posted before him is invested enough to at the very least look elsewhere - unless I'm missing something.
Oats then says some stuff about VE being town when it was never a point to his accusation. Why the fuck does Oats suddenly mention reasons for VE being town when the whole point was that
1. He called Palmar scum without initial justification
2. His justification seemed to be that Palmar gave me a townread
3. Giygas said that Oats was antagonizing townreads
His two aggressors never ask Oats about his scumreads, or criticize him for not mentioning any. And yet oats feels like posting a lot of half-assed reads. That's cause he's scared, and tries to do things that look townie, only under pressure, and even if they're not part of the accusations made against him.
Dont really feel anyone is particularly scummy other than yamato for showing up and fucking off without doing ANYTHING.
Possibly Sylencia but he does this shit every game town or mafia. Although his last town game he posted longer stuff. So really really superficial read on his post length makes him SCUM. Then yamato isnt. But whatever.
Oats doesn't follow up on these reads, and prefers to chime in with a joke Palmar made, and generally is pretty uninvolved. Aside from this post, Oats whole filter looks like he doesn't care about solving the game.
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If he had a townread on VE, who cared at that point? If he had scumreads, why does he only mention them as answer to pressure, even though no one asked him about them? Cause he posted them to look like he was doing something, figuring out the game.
Does it look like he tries to pursue these reads outside of this post?
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Moar preferences between Oats and yamato pls, I'm feeding your answers to a document.
VE, would you prefer Oats over Yamato? You just say you'd get behind a lynch, but if you had to choose?
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On April 23 2013 07:32 yamato77 wrote:
Could both BC and Ace both be mafia?
That would be pretty funny.
Where's your enthusiasm, boy. You said Oats could be scum earlier.
Is he your scumbuddy or what.
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On April 23 2013 07:59 yamato77 wrote:
It's actually kinda funny, I wanted to roll mafia this game.
Damn.
Ironic, isn't it
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