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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 16 2013 22:41 GMT
#5857
On May 17 2013 07:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 02:04 Palmar wrote:
Not like I've been much help solving it buddy.

PS This is extra hilarious if you're scum.

Which I'm not, obviously.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 16 2013 22:44 GMT
#5859
On May 17 2013 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
The people that are missing here mostly got autolynched or modkilled

Ace (lynched by default. My read was leaning town)
Rayn (I never explained but clearly my intense sheeping of him means he's my number 1 town read early)
Tube (Modkilled, null read at the time since he hadn't posted)
Giggles (Just never worked up the will to read/analyse him)
WoS (same as giggles)

I think that's it?

Also this. So of everyone in the game you picked me and gigs not to analyze at all.
Me being one of those people, what do you think that's going to make me think?

Hey BC/geript? Thoughts? Comments? Queries? Fucking popcorn?


Why would I shoot Artanis over you when Artanis was about the only person smart enough to pull his head far enough out of his ass and realize that it's almost no chance I'm scum.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 16 2013 22:47 GMT
#5862
On May 17 2013 07:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 07:44 Palmar wrote:
On May 17 2013 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
The people that are missing here mostly got autolynched or modkilled

Ace (lynched by default. My read was leaning town)
Rayn (I never explained but clearly my intense sheeping of him means he's my number 1 town read early)
Tube (Modkilled, null read at the time since he hadn't posted)
Giggles (Just never worked up the will to read/analyse him)
WoS (same as giggles)

I think that's it?

Also this. So of everyone in the game you picked me and gigs not to analyze at all.
Me being one of those people, what do you think that's going to make me think?

Hey BC/geript? Thoughts? Comments? Queries? Fucking popcorn?


Why would I shoot Artanis over you when Artanis was about the only person smart enough to pull his head far enough out of his ass and realize that it's almost no chance I'm scum.

Wait....what?
Why would you shoot...as scum....Artanis....who would be smart enough to realize there's no chance you're scum?
That makes absolutely no sense.


my point is:

assume I'm scum.

Someone needs to die.

Why do I pick the one person who thinks I'm town?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 00:27 GMT
#5878
On May 17 2013 09:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
For the record, Palmar, I'm still interested if you have anything to say.
Especially since BC will be dying tonight and geript supposedly won't be around for a while.


I will try to post a bit tomorrow.

It's late now, I'm going to sleep.

All I ask for is that I don't get quickhammered.

Look at the situation if I'm town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 09:09 GMT
#5880
BC isn't confirmed town I'm not scum.

But hey it's ok.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 09:52 GMT
#5881
Okay, I'm going to explain right now why this last day does not confirm I am scum, and why anyone saying it does is not thinking or scum.

Remember, the presumption is that I have a strong town-read on WoS. I'm somewhat vary of this townread, but based on effort and attitude, I think WoS being scum is a very, very long shot. If he is, then my hat off to him, that is some seriously impressive scumplay. I don't intend to chase that thought.

So, I narrow the list (almost certainly correctly) down to three scum, GiygaS, BC and geript. Then I get put in a very, very strange position, two out of the three people that fill the remaining scum roles vote for the third.

Knowing I am town, and given my strong townread on WoS, I am therefore presented with a situation that is one of the following:

a) Scum have teamed up in hopes of convincing a townie to lynch the scummy townie.
b) Scum have decided to bus and play for the long game.

Is it all that surprising that in this situation I am very hesitant of what to do? Remember, I have to be absolutely certain that it's a bus, it CANNOT be positive scumhunting (two townies on one scum) because WoS and I are confirmed town in my perception of the game.

If you wanted me to push GiygaS you're not only asking me to get a correct scumread, but be able to identify a bus and be absolutely certain that it's a bus and not an endgame move. This is extremely hard to do.

The bottom line is:

It's awful logic to think this last day, because of the lynch, the voting and the result, has somehow made me more likely to be scum.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 09:55 GMT
#5882
To explain the difference, WoS can hammer GiygaS because in his perception of the game there exists a scenario where this can be positive scumhunting, namely the scenario where he thinks I'm scum.

Thus, it's much easier for WoS to follow this lynch than me, because he can blissfully ignore what is actually happening and roll with what has been set up, a lynch on me.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 18:45 GMT
#5890
On May 18 2013 00:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
For the record, I expect an answer from you before the NK otherwise I'm just going to assume you're scum.


Geript I'm not sure I'll have time to make the case before night kill though.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 20:06 GMT
#5892
read my filter.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 23:24 GMT
#5911
what the fuck BC?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 23:27 GMT
#5914
On May 18 2013 08:11 Ace wrote:
BC you and Palmar need to take a break from Mafia for a while :/


Why?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 23:28 GMT
#5920
On May 18 2013 08:27 Ace wrote:
Palmar...if geript is modconfirmed town why the hell is he alive for so long? come on you KNOW this - the worst thing for Scum is confirmed town. Going into LYLO and he is STILL alive?

good job to geript though. Played everyone for fools with it and just sat back letting you guys argue.


Didn't I try to get him lynched two days in a row now?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 23:30 GMT
#5922
and geript didn't play well, host fucked up by not modkilling him. There is a post on day 1 from me explaining why geript is absolutely the scummiest person in the thread. I said multiple times throughout the game that he looked terrible aside from the dumbassery of not modkilling him.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 23:32 GMT
#5924
On May 18 2013 08:30 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 08:28 Palmar wrote:
On May 18 2013 08:27 Ace wrote:
Palmar...if geript is modconfirmed town why the hell is he alive for so long? come on you KNOW this - the worst thing for Scum is confirmed town. Going into LYLO and he is STILL alive?

good job to geript though. Played everyone for fools with it and just sat back letting you guys argue.


Didn't I try to get him lynched two days in a row now?


not with that reasoning. If you would have brought that up Town would have no choice but to lynch him.


I was going to include that in the case I was going to write today, along with the fact that due to how the day before went he almost certainly was the scum and not bc.

But you know, quickhammers even when I beg that they don't happen.

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 23:38 GMT
#5928
I respect your decision, it's your game. hang on I want to show you something.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 23:46 GMT
#5938
On April 22 2013 01:57 Palmar wrote:
Geript rerrible or scum?


On April 22 2013 08:43 Palmar wrote:
Just for the record I would be pretty heavily leaning scum on geript if it wasn't for the QT thing.

The most alarming thing is not actually the random town-read on me, but his explanation of sylencia's alignment:

Show nested quote +
Sylencia -- As far as I know he is a noob, so I'm guessing more likely town then


When this read was made Sylencia had posted the following:

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 17:11 Sylencia wrote:
I would kill to be something other than a VT, but hey.


Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 18:04 Sylencia wrote:
On April 21 2013 17:12 yamato77 wrote:
I would kill you.

Thoughts?


Seems like a bad idea to me.

PS: Anyone who tries to analyse my first post in the future is dumb.


Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 18:43 Sylencia wrote:
On April 21 2013 18:18 yamato77 wrote:
You seem a little too nervous about my post.

Maybe you are a good person to kill.


Er, what makes me come off as nervous lol



This "read" is based on absolutely nothing, and whether or not Sylencia is a noob has almost nothing to do with his read. I don't understand this read and why on earth it's part of his "analysis".


On April 22 2013 08:51 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 08:50 Vivax wrote:
Palmar, do you want to question geript's alignment?
Do you want to question Sylencia's alignment?
Cause I don't see why you are pointing this stuff out if that's not your intention.


I have no information to question Sylencia's alignment

I just posted the stuff about geript because I REALLY wanted to say it. That being said I don't think we should lynch him today based simply on the pseudo-confirm.


On April 30 2013 19:13 Palmar wrote:
getmoript - still looks awful, but cheated and didn't get modkilled so lynching him is pointless. if he's scum the game is invalid .


On May 07 2013 08:07 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Geript is town because I understand how he thinks. I was just in a Hydra with him not long ago. His perspective on the game is similar to what I saw there. He's a little tunnelish, and genuinely doesn't understand my play this game. I believe it.


No, geript may be the scummiest person in the thread, he just skates by on the modconfirm thing.


On May 10 2013 08:32 Palmar wrote:
I'm honestly kinda lost. I think I would sheep WoS but he seems to want to lynch me.

dunnoh

geript is super scummy, those reads he threw out with absolutely no reasoning behind them back on day 1 still bother me, but he does have the modconfirm thing going. so.... whatever.


On May 10 2013 23:25 Palmar wrote:
geript is scummy but has the modconfirm


On May 11 2013 01:33 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 01:32 kushm4sta wrote:
i will look at giygas later today. i haven't really thought about him at all.


check out getmoript too please.

I know about the modconfirm thing, but he has some real bad stuff in his filter.


On May 15 2013 01:20 Palmar wrote:
Just a question on personality.

I've don't know geript that well, but I've spoken with him, and he came across as a guy who wants to improve, wants to learn and is enthusiastic about the game of mafia. Maybe I'm overestimating him, but I kind of read him as a promising new-ish guy who would attempt to win the game no matter the odds.

I just see such a completely different attitude here. Compare the attitude of myself, WoS and Artanis in these last few days with geript's attitude. It's blatantly different. He's not even trying to win the game for town, which means, to me, that it's likely he isn't town.

Did you know that geript has an 11 page filter. Page 10 starts on like may 3rd. He's posting like 1-2 times a day since the Ace lynch. He's not involved at all and seems to care very little what happens, yet he's emotional enough to viciously attack me for no good reason.

dunnoh...

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 23:46 GMT
#5939
On May 18 2013 08:42 getmoript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 08:28 Palmar wrote:
On May 18 2013 08:27 Ace wrote:
Palmar...if geript is modconfirmed town why the hell is he alive for so long? come on you KNOW this - the worst thing for Scum is confirmed town. Going into LYLO and he is STILL alive?

good job to geript though. Played everyone for fools with it and just sat back letting you guys argue.


Didn't I try to get him lynched two days in a row now?

Sure, but you were alive for a reason. Should've been obvious around the OO kill.


you were alive for a reason too, the host decided to let mafia win.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 23:56 GMT
#5942
On May 18 2013 08:53 Ace wrote:
Host was in a bad position. I think after reading how things went down nothing showed that geript was modconfirmed town. Outside of intentional game mechanics how did geript become so? Hydras aren't auto-town.


No.

But posting information that can affect people's read on you after death should be modkillable. I decided (as exemplified by one of my posts above) to ignore Geript as part of the game, and simply consider the game invalid if he was scum.

Hydras aren't auto-town, but the assumption is that there wouldn't have to exist a seperate hydra QT when they can just talk to each other in the mafia QT, so the issue wouldn't have been brought up at all.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 17 2013 23:58 GMT
#5943
I mean, clearly I'm in the minority here when I think rules should be followed, rather than considered guidelines. People who break rules (like posting intentionally after a hammer) to their advantage just get away with it.

Idk?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 18 2013 00:02 GMT
#5947
I would've been fine with it if marv had just stayed silent, that way the modkill in no way affects the game. I don't mind BH removing marv from the game.

The problem arises when Marv, after "death" reveals outside information that affects the game, probably ruins it. Don't you think the game would've gone differently if I push geript day 1?
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