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On April 22 2013 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:46 TheRavensName wrote:On April 22 2013 10:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 10:32 TheRavensName wrote:Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too. + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote:
@TheRavensName
Who would you like to lynch right now?
Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere?
Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town?
Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games. I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points. I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.) In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active? So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read.  Your sentences are the run-onniest. You're basing your entire read on Rayn on the one game of meta you have with him and how he treated you specifically this game? Its enough that I like him a little more then everyone else. I am taking it with a grain of salt though. I was under the impression that out of 25 people one should do what they can to try and limit the number just a little bit to a more managable size. Considering the size of his filter and the degree to which he has been under scrutiny thus far in the game, no, I don't think that's enough at all. If you read into him even a little bit I think you'd have plenty to go on; your read is lazy imo.
I think he was posting stuff as I was writing that, so I may have missed some things. I don't see much of an opinion on rayn from you, other than that terrible reason to believe your town. + Show Spoiler +That is a worse meta case then mine xD.
Looking back at it the Meta defense was pretty terrible, seeing as how in the same game he said that defending noob towns that would flip such was an easy scum tactic and one he had his partner use.... so yay... unsure what to think again.
+ Show Spoiler + I think this game is like, longer day on then the first two or three days of the last games I played. Scary.
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On April 22 2013 09:28 yamato77 wrote:
And then subsequently got aggressive with geript over it like people are SUPPOSED to read that much into my posting, which was intentionally bad.
Why post stuff no one is suppos to read into? Make yourself look more active then you actually are?
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WoS you called me lazy, and then attacked my read on Ray. But you haven't really flat out said anything about ray only kinda said he maybe could be scum, and you flat out ignored the chance to make a comment on Sharrent, who also has been the subject of at least a little bit of discussion. This urks me a bit by association.
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On April 22 2013 12:07 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:05 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 11:59 ShiaoPi wrote:
Oh if you have paid close attention to TRN then what is your stance on him now?
I am calling you scummy That he's fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things, and most likely town. What made you change your mind? This response is terribly lacking....
Cause he asked like four people and that was about the response he got each time before he pounced ray.
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Sharrent's sudden belief in my green doesn't make sense to me when I read it... why is it because I'm willing to eb suspicious of Rayn put me in the clear? And why was my pressure vote removed before I responded to the pressure? These are very bad factors going for him for me.
I also dislike that WoS seems to be so wishy washy about putting out any reads at all, but willing to accuse people on reads he hasn't handed out yet but sort of acting like he did. So I would like to at least look at WoS or Sharrant;.Wos, could you please post some reads of your own, like ones on Sharrant and Ray seeing as how they seem to want to go at it and you shot only my read on one of them and ignored the other, who you have mostly been ignoring all game (Your logic for voting Geript.)
Sleepy time.
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On April 22 2013 12:46 TheRavensName wrote:
Wos, could you please post some reads of your own, like ones on Sharrant and Ray seeing as how they seem to want to go at it and you shot only my read on one of them and ignored the other, who you have mostly been ignoring all game
FoS on WoS seeing as how he has time to make comment that do nothing but not answer questions that would actually force him to post a read on people hes yelling at others for posting a flawed read on.
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On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 05:20 Sharrant wrote:
Noticed this too, I think Sylencia would be a good lynch today as well. Based on one statement I make which isn't indicative of anything whatsoever makes you think I'm scummy? It's fine if you're accusing me if you have a case but casual accusations with no followups don't sit well with me since it ends up being bait for people to jump on. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:46 TheRavensName wrote:
Its enough that I like him a little more then everyone else. I am taking it with a grain of salt though. I was under the impression that out of 25 people one should do what they can to try and limit the number just a little bit to a more managable size. I'm somewhat doing the same, so I'm wondering how you can see someone as town without looking at the whole picture. I haven't really got any town reads due to this, but the fact you're able to either means you're doing something wrong, or you know something we don't. - Following from this there's a clear TRN-Sharrant-Rayn argument breaking out, with Sharrant backtracking on past accusations and rayn aggressively defending while accusing Sharrant as well. Rayn: Pushing for all millers to die (and voting on it) on day 1 honestly doesn't sound like a great plan. It wastes days where there's actually stuff to analyse, it creates a lazy town atmosphere which only helps scum, and with that comes a lot less conversation. You said you thought that BM was scum but what makes him so much more scummy at the time than someone else with low number of posts and providing just words and not content (eg. me)? In any case: Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched.
##Vote: Bill Murray Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not trying to "policy lynch" BM. I think BM is scum. Bringing up the miller policy into this discussion adds nothing, because it's irrelevant regarding my reasons for wanting to lynch BM. This looks so dumb honestly. Ok, I'm done for now, ##vote rayn at the moment because of the weirdest irregularities in posts.
Sharrant's done that a lot this game.
As for Rayn, I guess I don't know what to think about him right now. It doesn't help the two real people until this oint that have been attacking my town read on him are people I dislike so... there is that. But when I read Rayn's statement about the miller lynch being more of a scummy time to claim then because hes a miller it makes more sense to me, especially when you couple with BM lurked for quite a bit after his claim then coming back and calling it a joke when he comes back and see people were upset with it and it lends itself to the gamble of: "I'm mr Mafia, please don't check me cause I am the miller and don't worry about me guys cause I'm town and you all bought that right?" But that is just my opinion.
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Rayn your righyt and I want to apologize, that was jarjar and rainbows who said that. I apparently need to pretend that game never happened because I,m still not sure I know lol. Please don't use this crucify me again all day 1 for it even if its more fitting this time.
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On April 23 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote:
CC, let's talk a little. Who do we lynch? I do like ShiaoPi as lynch as well, so do we start making cases and stuff or do you think we should stick to a policy?
What policy are you advocating/open to exactly? A lurker lynch or did I miss anoth
er policy that wasn't the miller claim one?
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On April 23 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote:I'll probably take hopeless out of my scumspects for now. Not every bad idea is necessarily a scum agenda, meh. I do hold in high regard that he actually goes against Rayn, as he's another guy I'd lynch. Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 01:25 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote:
CC, let's talk a little. Who do we lynch? I do like ShiaoPi as lynch as well, so do we start making cases and stuff or do you think we should stick to a policy? What policy are you advocating/open to exactly? A lurker lynch or did I miss anoth er policy that wasn't the miller claim one? Either Drazak for excusing himself out (ask for replacement if you can't play the game), or people showing up late in the day without some damn good contributions. A damn good contribution isn't a huge post with a vote at the end, like RyuSuzaku in The game™, who rolled scum.
Ah I see. And your active scumspect is Ray? My lab is about to start so I can't really glance through all the lurkers right now but personally I would rather lynch someone more scummy and active, so many lurkers that its such a crap shoot on hitting a right one.
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On April 23 2013 02:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 01:57 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote:I'll probably take hopeless out of my scumspects for now. Not every bad idea is necessarily a scum agenda, meh. I do hold in high regard that he actually goes against Rayn, as he's another guy I'd lynch. On April 23 2013 01:25 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote:
CC, let's talk a little. Who do we lynch? I do like ShiaoPi as lynch as well, so do we start making cases and stuff or do you think we should stick to a policy? What policy are you advocating/open to exactly? A lurker lynch or did I miss anoth er policy that wasn't the miller claim one? Either Drazak for excusing himself out (ask for replacement if you can't play the game), or people showing up late in the day without some damn good contributions. A damn good contribution isn't a huge post with a vote at the end, like RyuSuzaku in The game™, who rolled scum. Ah I see. And your active scumspect is Ray? My lab is about to start so I can't really glance through all the lurkers right now but personally I would rather lynch someone more scummy and active, so many lurkers that its such a crap shoot on hitting a right one. D1 lynches are often a crapshoot. If you think we shouldn't lynch a lurker, then bring ahead a better option. Mislynching lurkers doesn't hurt town outside of numbers and actually reduces the pool of insecurities, mislynching actives does pretty much always hurt town. ilurker lynching is, in my mind, too. easy for scum ito hop on aand active scum hurt town so so much if they can actually establish an influence, so I like the gamble. Anyways my lab is starting so I will name smancer and WoS if he doesn't give me a response to my questions AGAIN but I also really hate the 3 useless spamers that have only spammed useless crap and gotten away without even semi analysis and would be good for lynching them over a lurker or if my other two reads convince me they are town
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On April 23 2013 08:02 yamato77 wrote:
But hey, I'm trying pretty hard to get lynched this game.
Why sign up for a game you don't want to play... and why post things you don't want analyzed? This is an unacceptable attitude for anyone to have for any reason. If you want out so bad just ask for a replacement.... or just don't sign up. Mix with this with all the completly useless spamming and you got enough of a reason to vote you over anyone else.
##Vote: Yamato77
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On April 23 2013 08:29 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, fine, effort is obviously the only way you guys will get the message.
It would be a nice token jesture if nothing else....
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On April 23 2013 08:39 Ace wrote:
could it be that yamato and Oats are both Scum but Oats has a great role so they want him to live for one day?
Until one of them flips otherwise, totally.
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On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you?
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On April 23 2013 08:51 yamato77 wrote:
GUYS
LET'S LYNCH VE
I'm totally a bad lynch, and you'll save yourselves the moaning and groaning about my play this game if you just lynch mafia instead of me.
Actually I would say if we lynched you we wouldn't have to worry about your play at all. Does that men if VE gets lynched your actually going to try or is this something were only going to get out of you every time your in danger? (Still suspicious of the sudden burst of activity and serriousness by the way)
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On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. Now, Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later.
Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point?
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Huh, in my mind Oats, Yamato, and VE were all about even in terms of trolling, and then Yamato at least pretended ot be useful... and oats is just going to keep... acting like this. At least VE is trying to push a case of some kind.,
PS: If you didn't random number generate that vote it doesn't counter Oats.
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On April 23 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:40 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. Now, On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later. Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point? Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours.
I dislike that Your saying I called you wishy washy, and you still didn't answer my question as to why you attacked my read on Ray and not my scum opinion and STILL didn't answer it. Your right that my opinion most likely won't get any traction, seeing as how my musings were completly ignored but I still wanted to put them out there and I wish you would have at least responded to what I asked you, instead of just giving me a crappy answer about why you don't answer.
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On April 23 2013 10:00 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 09:40 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. Now, On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later. Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point? Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours. I dislike that Your saying I called you wishy washy
Clarification on this part because I did actually call him wishy washy, I mean more that it means you actually did read those post, you either looked at them or remember to referance them, but ignored the rest of them and that makes me rather upset.
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