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On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all.
I've said it multiple times that he may be the scummiest person in the thread, he's simply riding his confirm, which basically makes this game stupid to deal with. I thought he should've been modkilled at the time, but whatever.
I would love to lynch him for being an asshole, but I'm not sure it's the best idea.
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re: you versus yamato
The problem I had with yamato's read was that it was based on absolutely nothing, whereas your case is based on multiple speculations that are often lacking or inconclusive.
I think I summarized it well with this question:
On May 07 2013 02:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 14:58 yamato77 wrote:
So back to Palmar/BC; I find it more likely that Palmar is town than BC. Palmar, while relatively inactive, has attempted at times to push his own agenda in lynching VE, good or bad. He's also had a believable narrative in checking/claiming a red check on BC. Is he capable of this sort of play as mafia? It's possible, but I feel it likely that Palmar is actually telling the truth that he simply cba to do anything. It's an illness that often strikes Palmar.
So given that you actually understand this narrative, what has changed your mind must be the fact that I did not send in a check last night. Now, explain how that, specifically, makes me mafia. If you cannot, you're full of shit.
to which he responded:
On May 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote:
I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia.
And that just set me off.
Also, yamato was doing a better job of controlling the thread than you.
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artanis to give you an indication of what I have, I'm working on this assumption
Town:
Palmar
Kush (see my analysis with cobbler)
WoS (he is putting in a lot of effort and everything he's done makes sense. yamato agreed with me on this too)
Bill Murray (But I'm becoming less sure of this)
Leaning Town:
Artanis
TRN
Lurkers/Scum/Must-read-again/null
giggles
bc
geript
hopeless
stutters
This last group of people is the one I think my focus needs to be on today.
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On May 09 2013 04:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote:re: you versus yamato The problem I had with yamato's read was that it was based on absolutely nothing, whereas your case is based on multiple speculations that are often lacking or inconclusive. I think I summarized it well with this question: On May 07 2013 02:08 Palmar wrote:On May 01 2013 14:58 yamato77 wrote:
So back to Palmar/BC; I find it more likely that Palmar is town than BC. Palmar, while relatively inactive, has attempted at times to push his own agenda in lynching VE, good or bad. He's also had a believable narrative in checking/claiming a red check on BC. Is he capable of this sort of play as mafia? It's possible, but I feel it likely that Palmar is actually telling the truth that he simply cba to do anything. It's an illness that often strikes Palmar.
So given that you actually understand this narrative, what has changed your mind must be the fact that I did not send in a check last night. Now, explain how that, specifically, makes me mafia. If you cannot, you're full of shit. to which he responded: On May 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote:
I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia. And that just set me off. Also, yamato was doing a better job of controlling the thread than you. I can't tell if you're playing dumb or if you still don't know.
Don't understand this post, why am I dumb?
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On May 09 2013 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched  ). I highly doubt that scum shot Rayn over BC/Palmar just to frame you if neither are scum. No one pushed you strongly enough for that by a long stretch. It's completely inplausible imo. If you are indeed town, then you should be just as interested in what other thoughts Rayn had.
Rayn was absolutely shot because he was the smartest dude in the game.
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On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
The fact that you didn't check anyone the night before is either because once again, lazy Palmar (find this SO hard to believe there are so many instances of this since you're supposed to be a good player) or as mafia you were afraid to check players who aren't basically confirmed one way or the other for fear you might be caught out somehow or remove suspicion on possible lynchbait.
if I didn't send in a check it's irrelevant if I'm scum or town, in both cases it's a mistake. I'm not more likely to make mistakes as scum than town (or the other way around). Thus you cannot draw a conclusion from it.
And being good at one aspect of mafia doesn't mean you're good at all aspects of mafia. I don't like roles, I don't care much about roles and I've never been great at setup speculation or role abuse. Just to point to a recent evidence, my complete lack of interest during the picking phase in PYP.
I simply didn't think all the options on my sanity through, because I dedicate almost no time to using my role.
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On May 09 2013 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote:I don't really see how that makes him the smartest. Also yeah, DID you figure it out yet?
no clue
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or well, I think I can infer from the context that he somehow thinks sharrant jailed BC and not me night 1? I guess?
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Oh wait, he thinks it's the other way around I guess.
I got jailed by town (pretty much confirmed by sharrant)
So BC got jailed by scum (or not jailed and they withheld the block).
To be honest, I actually think it's more likely they did block him, from that little context alone, giving BC some town cred.
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and you agree that sharrant almost certainly jailed me n1 artanis?
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in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false?
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On May 09 2013 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected.
##Vote: Palmar I'm waiting on responses to my case first. I'm not sure why now of all times you're suddenly convinced, Artanis. Again, I believe you promised me something. Please point to me where I promised you anything. I'm convinced now because A) Sharrant's flip confirmed what we already suspected and B) Palmar conveniently got paranoid, thus any potential extra importance he could have if he were town is gone. That and Palmar's long post was actually awful. No scumhunting, lots of defending and tutoring. Rubbed me the wrong way entirely.
Do you want to lynch me based on two factors that are completely out of my control?
One, or all of these thought processes must be true, based on your post here:
Sharrant jailed Palmar -> Therefore Palmar must be scum
Palmar rolled paranoid cop -> Therefore Palmar must be scum
Palmar wrote a post defending himself -> Therefore Palmar must be scum
I don't know what in particular I need to say to you to explain why you're wrong, but you please provide something for me to respond to if you want to call me scum.
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On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible.
Is staying alive only the objective of mafia?
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On May 09 2013 05:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote:
in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false? There was an hour gap between claiming you got roleblocked and the first mention that you might've been shot. Plenty of time to think about it, and that you bring it up actually means yoou
I used this hour because I didn't get notified of a shot, but I strongly believed I might have been shot, so I asked the host to explain whether or not I would be notified if I was hit. That explains the hour wait.
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On May 09 2013 06:04 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote:
in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false? Yes. Your the only one who milkde the protection from gunshot. So either someone else was shot and didn't want to say anything, like ace, or bc was shot and you decided to milk it for the cred. Its not out of the realm of possibility.
Assume for a second, just to entertain the notion, that I'm town Palmar.
I can give you the insight that at the time I thought I was in pretty good standing with town, in no danger of being lynched.
Knowing that I got protected and a KP was missing, do you think town-Palmar (knowing my history of being shot n1) would not assume that I got shot during the night?
Sure, scum-Palmar could do what I did, but so could town-Palmar, and in fact it's more likely town Palmar did.
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On May 09 2013 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:47 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. Is staying alive only the objective of mafia? The main objective of town is to find scum, not to stay alive. The main objective of scum is to stay alive.
Part of lynching scum is to not get lynched as town right? That removes one potential candidate from the pool. Would you say I have not scumhunted this game? I consider both parts equal. If every town player makes sure he doesn't get lynched then the game is quite easy, right?
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On May 09 2013 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:44 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected.
##Vote: Palmar I'm waiting on responses to my case first. I'm not sure why now of all times you're suddenly convinced, Artanis. Again, I believe you promised me something. Please point to me where I promised you anything. I'm convinced now because A) Sharrant's flip confirmed what we already suspected and B) Palmar conveniently got paranoid, thus any potential extra importance he could have if he were town is gone. That and Palmar's long post was actually awful. No scumhunting, lots of defending and tutoring. Rubbed me the wrong way entirely. Do you want to lynch me based on two factors that are completely out of my control? One, or all of these thought processes must be true, based on your post here: Sharrant jailed Palmar -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar rolled paranoid cop -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar wrote a post defending himself -> Therefore Palmar must be scum I don't know what in particular I need to say to you to explain why you're wrong, but you please provide something for me to respond to if you want to call me scum. You're scum because you're more interested in your own survival than in actually finding scum. The best way to get my vote off of you is to find a better target. You've spent enough time defending yourself, I'd rather you spent that time reading filters of people you find suspicious.
Here's one thing, I'm obsessed with reads I don't understand.
I can move on, and I was starting to do so, beginning with my list of 5 people I considered needed to be looked at. Then you come in and accuse me of being scum without providing anything to back it up other than my role. You literally want to lynch me based on my role.
I cannot defend that. But I want to make absolutely 100% certain that if I get lynched there will remain no legitimate reason for it, it will be simply be because people decided to do it and fuck logic.
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On May 09 2013 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:56 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:44 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected.
##Vote: Palmar I'm waiting on responses to my case first. I'm not sure why now of all times you're suddenly convinced, Artanis. Again, I believe you promised me something. Please point to me where I promised you anything. I'm convinced now because A) Sharrant's flip confirmed what we already suspected and B) Palmar conveniently got paranoid, thus any potential extra importance he could have if he were town is gone. That and Palmar's long post was actually awful. No scumhunting, lots of defending and tutoring. Rubbed me the wrong way entirely. Do you want to lynch me based on two factors that are completely out of my control? One, or all of these thought processes must be true, based on your post here: Sharrant jailed Palmar -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar rolled paranoid cop -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar wrote a post defending himself -> Therefore Palmar must be scum I don't know what in particular I need to say to you to explain why you're wrong, but you please provide something for me to respond to if you want to call me scum. You're scum because you're more interested in your own survival than in actually finding scum. The best way to get my vote off of you is to find a better target. You've spent enough time defending yourself, I'd rather you spent that time reading filters of people you find suspicious. Here's one thing, I'm obsessed with reads I don't understand. I can move on, and I was starting to do so, beginning with my list of 5 people I considered needed to be looked at. Then you come in and accuse me of being scum without providing anything to back it up other than my role. You literally want to lynch me based on my role. I cannot defend that. But I want to make absolutely 100% certain that if I get lynched there will remain no legitimate reason for it, it will be simply be because people decided to do it and fuck logic. This looks like a confession to me.
Confession of what?
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