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On April 30 2013 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I've got to say - I find this extremely odd. Especially considering Cheese's check turned out to be the opposite of what he claims...it just feels like he's buying it way too easily if he really had an issue with our checks to begin with. Im asking you all to investigate each other tonight to prove yourselves. I haven't taken anything any of you have said at face value. | ||
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On April 30 2013 08:22 VisceraEyes wrote: How does that prove anything to anyone with result-altering roles possible? scum lost a framer and detectives can't be millers. If all of you are telling the truth the results will match your previous checks. Nothing can alter any of you short of a Scum JOAT. and there are 3 of you - they cant stop everyone if you're all legit. | ||
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On April 30 2013 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote: What HE claimed. He claimed he had a red check on Syl and Syl flipped green...unless I'm missing something? It did - so how am I "buying this too easily"? I would've just asked you to investigate whoever if I did. | ||
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On April 30 2013 08:26 VisceraEyes wrote: So again I ask: what will us checking each other do exactly? The Scum team MIGHT have another framer but even if they did, the framer can't stop 2 people from checking. If all 3 of you are legit Cops it will be proven tonight. | ||
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On April 30 2013 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: And if even one of us is NOT legit, then they could feasilby completely fuck up your plan Ace. no, they can't lol. this is so simple but sure - explain to me how they can. I'll even allow you the low possibility of them having two framers. Go for it. | ||
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but here: Let's suppose, as you posit, that one of the checks is fake. For the sake of argument, let's assume it's Cheese. What happens when scum frame Palmar? If Palmar is Scum and framed you should get same back if you're legit PC. Cheese would have to also fake his result and have you show up as Scum. If he is Town he shows up as Scum and looks different on your check. Cheese would still get the same result showing you as Scum. Only way cheese doesn't is if he wants to claim you are scum, getting innocent and you rally are. But we would never know who got framed. And being that a framer already died why would we assume there is a second scum framer that would also target Palmar and NOT one of you? | ||
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On April 30 2013 08:37 Palmar wrote: didnt the framer flip? yes, but VE is asking what happens if there is a second one that can mess up checks tonight. | ||
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Remember - this is with a framer. they are screwed either way. | ||
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On April 30 2013 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote: You aren't even arguing about it, you haven't even TRIED to comment on the posts I made above. You asked me to do it and I did. I already said I heavily doubt there is a framer. I outlined they'd need to hit the right player already. I dont see how you post address this. | ||
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On April 30 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote: How did you "outline they'd need to hit the right player"? I know you heavily doubt there's a framer, but I'm saying that's irrelevant to the situation at hand - the fact is that they MIGHT have another framer, so your plan is fucking STUPID because ONE framer fucks with the WHOLE THING. They could target EITHER myself OR Palmar with it. There's NO WAY they would target CC with it because Palmar's sanity is in question, but that doesn't matter because if they hit me OR Palmar with it then YOUR PLAN IS TOTALLY STUPID. Explain how and why I'm wrong Ace. Shiao has not flipped. If CC is indeed telling the truth they would def target him also because BC, Palmar's check hasn't flipped also. If CC is indeed telling the truth, we know he's insane. But we dont know if YOU are also telling the truth. So they could target you. Whatever result you get no longer matters - you'd have to confirm Palmar as "Same". Palmar's check on CC, who is telling the truth tells us more about his sanity and confirms CC is innocent. Framing you does nothing here unless you and Palmar are both lying - which would fuck you both over if BC flips. Framer does nothing here. | ||
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What do you think targeting CC accomplishes for the mafia with Palmar's sanity in question? It does the same thing targeting you does - it screws up 1 guy's check. But TWO of you, one of which we know has to insane DT if legit, has to get a "Scum" result on you. We know what he has to be if telling the truth, that is the entire key to this. | ||
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...in what way does that confirm anything about anyone?[/QUOTE] Your claim is confirmed depending on what Palmar reports. Remember - he already has a red check on BC. If you are legit, if Palmar lies he will show up as different to YOU because they framed you nullifying anything Palmar says. If his claim holds up and both you and CC hold up we just move on and do it again: we possibly DO have 3 detectives, all with an extra investigation and now are sure of their sanities. If there is a liar it will be revealed by any flips of your investigation (OO), Palmar's (BC), or CC's (shiao). How is this bad? A framer does nothing to stop us from finding out the lie or confirming everyone as legit. They are screwed. | ||
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On April 30 2013 10:32 VisceraEyes wrote: My point is what if we're all telling the truth? You think I'm being unreasonable for considering framer as a possibility. I'm saying you're being unreasonable saying one of us HAS to be lying. If we're all town this is all a huge waste of time that will harm town. That's my point. adressed it just now. If you're ALL town all 3 of you will know what you are and the game is pretty much over with 3 detectives running around when we still have prot roles. I dont see why you're so against this. We are knocking out 2 bids with one stone here. | ||
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