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1. His last lynch targets were Palmar, Hopeless and BC. 2. He just had gotten done trolling a case against BC 3. He trolled Palmar wanting to lynch BC 4. He trolls Kush for calling out Palmar/BC/Ace (2/3 he doesn't actually want lynched) Ace clearly had 0 interest in lynching BC ever. But he still wanting a scum on his list of targets, preferably the 'better talker' of the two. The next thing I want to draw your attention to is this quote: On May 02 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Good reasoning. I'm pretty sure Palmar isn't on the block for today unless you can come up with something that puts him above everyone else we've been talking about. At least lazy as fuck paranoid cop fits with how he's been playing all game, as unhelpful as it is. You on the other hand are completely different from how you've been playing just a few days ago. Were you roleblocked? Or did you conveniently forget to mention it again? On May 02 2013 06:40 Ace wrote: I've got a job but my activity hasn't died. I've been around. And yes OF COURSE I was roleblocked. Palmar gets lynched because his claim was shoddy to begin with. "I'm lazy" isn't a valid defense lol. He wanted to lynch BC and didn't even take into account he could be paranoid. Get rid of him. On May 02 2013 07:16 Promethelax wrote: [blue]~~~ Vote Count ~~~ Yamato77 (1) kushm4sta Hopeless1der (2) Yamato77, Artanis[Xp] Palmar (1) Ace Here's the vote count from then. Ace has used the phrase "get rid of" 4 times, 3 of which are clear references to lynches. But in this instance it's odd because he's not really even trying to exert himself to get the lynch. Rather it looks like him saying "Get rid of Palmar" is him trying to express to his scum read that they are on the same side and that they both need palmar out of the way. On May 02 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Good reasoning. I'm pretty sure Palmar isn't on the block for today unless you can come up with something that puts him above everyone else we've been talking about. At least lazy as fuck paranoid cop fits with how he's been playing all game, as unhelpful as it is. You on the other hand are completely different from how you've been playing just a few days ago. Were you roleblocked? Or did you conveniently forget to mention it again? WoS' response reads to me like he's telling Ace, "He wasn't on the block for killing tonight but it depends on how thread sentiment goes." What's interesting about WoS is that he seems to be following Ace that day but has this to say: On May 02 2013 13:46 WaveofShadow wrote: See Geript, I think it worries me more that Ace is on board than yamato. This looks like scum WoS knew that Ace would flip 3p or was reasonably sure of it and wanted to gain some easy town cred for it. Last 2 scum: BC and WoS. gg | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 27 2013 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote: This. I think I have a little time now so I'll re-look into him and I want to look at Giygas as well; I know one thing many people have mentioned in post-game analyses recently that people don't look into dead people enough and Oats did want to lynch Giygas real early. I remember his reasoning being dumb or non_existent but worth looking at I guess. On April 27 2013 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright I read through Clarity; I have to ask, is he a new player or has he been around a while? His play of 'posting something so I get something in before the hammer' seems like the kind of thing I did when I was new; self preservation when none was necessary at all, and I was called scum for it multiple times when in fact I was town. Like...his posting is awful and after having been around a little while I see exactly why now: Just weak as hell case which I called him out on to start and he admits at the same time he did it 'self-preserve' but also to prevent people from hammering? Just seems so fishy but knowing my own play I can't necessarily call it scummy per se. He calls this rebuttal to his case a hard defense of Sharrant later on (which it may well have been) but aren't hard defenses in general seen as a little bit scummy? Why just accept it not call me out on it? Why back down so feebly in the end if he believes in it so strongly? It just screams to me of my play in like the first couple games I ever played where anyone could make me back down from my own cases and I was completely unsure of myself. Again, objectively his posting looks awful and somewhat scummy, but knowing the kind of stuff other people called me out for in the past when I was town I just don't know if I can see it as such. Including the stuff BM thinks Clarity is flat-out lying about. The post where he says "I don't care" seems more out of frustration than anything else....ugh. I REALLY want to hear more from him and don't like the idea of a Clarity lynch....yet. On April 27 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote: What is it people find scummy about Giygas again? That he's opportunistic or something? I dunno once again I don't think I have enough to go on here...in fact probably even less than Clarity because many of Giygas's reads and thoughts coincide somewhat with mine. He said he was going to look into me though so I'm interested to hear what he comes up with. Also looking through his filter I saw CC's massive reads list post. CC still think I'm scum, breh? If so, why? Hell, if not, why? On April 27 2013 01:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry for the million posts; I'm going out for a bit so there's plenty for people to read into me here and respond to I hope, but before I go: ##Vote: ShiaoPi I doubt in the few hours I'm gone anyone is getting lynched and I don't personally see any better candidates for today, especially considering the idea that it's better to start lynching into vets tomorrow. The most interesting part is right here: On April 27 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Uh, so stutters, I appreciate a ninjavote on my scumread as much as the next person, but for a guy who professes to find someone scummy for not interacting with their scumread, you're certainly looking mighty hypocritical right now. What's up, guy? On April 27 2013 04:21 Stutters695 wrote: Was typing out a response and I thought I made it pretty clear here + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2013 07:34 Stutters695 wrote: VE:I thought between the Vivax case and your points that the case on Shiao was pretty good. What specifically made you switch to Palmar over Shiao? I can understand why Palmar's posting is like he is, but Shiao has hammered oats when he hadn't interacted or even mentioned him all game with a very weak justification (Oats wasn't doing shit so why not hammer him for info [which he never brought up again]). I'm just not following what made you so sold on Palmar over him. Not only has WoS tried to bring up other lynchbait, he's looking to pressure a player for voting with him. There's nothing alignment indicative there. But notice how quickly he goes from "you scummy for being hypocritcal bro" to "oh shit I'm not paying attention." Then after the flip we have this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2013 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Clarity Re-read. Honestly...not so sure why I was so hesitant to call him scum after being the FIRST ONE TO RIP UP HIS FUCKING CASE that everyone seems to forget about, and yet other people seem to want credit for. Fuck it, call me scummy for looking for towncred but at the very least acknowledge the fact that I told him his case was bad. I guess I didn't think that bad case = scummy case for him and I was wrong. It also didn't help that I saw a lot of my early play in his posting...and I never really did clarification as to whether he was seen as a new player or not. Looking through his past history he's played in quite a few mafia games so that probably should have been my biggest tell; the very thing I was excusing him for only worked if he was new, essentially. Lazy and dumb on my part, but oh well. Now as to who he mentions (because I've noticed this seems to work really well in post-flip analysis): Calls Sharrant scum in his original case - yeah I think we all know how that turned out. He also provides soft defenses for Rayn and Hopeless in there but I don't think that's necessarily relevant because that would assume Sharrant was onto something back then with the two of them. Mentions looking into Giygas, BC, and ShiaoPi. Never does. Sadly this is null because we don't know if they're all town, or some of them are scum and he never planned on visiting them via case. Then this: Only person he is confident giving a proper read with the words 'town/scum' in it is BC. Is this because he has prior knowledge of BC being town or because he is trying to give BC towncred as scum? Personally I believe the first option to be more likely, but that does shed interesting light on Giygas and ShiaoPi. Why no reads at all despite this being his post where he said he'd check?? Players Clarity never mentions at all or responds to whatsoever: tube, grush, kush, OO, Ace, Drazak/Artanis, Sylencia, and VE. We know one of these was mafia, bad I think the issue here is a general lack of presence in the thread, making this difficult (at least for me; maybe someone else can make something of it). I think at least from this Giygas and Shiao deserve looking into; probably more Giygas than Shiao because I just can't trust my own earlier reads anymore. So we see him pushing away from Shiao and following thread sentiment, then backtrack on it later on. On April 29 2013 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright well aside from this cop bullshit, are Sylencia and Shiao worth lynching of their own (lack of) merit? Personally after discussing last night with geript and rayn I don't see why Shiao is town, and I'd have to re-read the case on Sylencia as well as look at him myself. Ace are you going to be looking to push one of the cop claims? Yamato? What's your target for today? 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On May 06 2013 08:16 Blazinghand wrote: WoS has been warned for inactivity! I believe that's a scum tell in this game.... Lol | ||
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On May 07 2013 06:53 yamato77 wrote: BC, if you're town, get your head out of your ass. I hope everyone appreciates the irony of this statement. | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:18 geript wrote: I'd much rather just lynch palmar because his ego is insufferable. Qff | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:37 Sharrant wrote: If you gave us Palmar, if you analyzed him so hard, how could you have never realized that his claim was wrong? Not once did you even hint that, if he is a cop, his sanity was not confirmed as what he said it was. I've been sitting on that since the moment he checked OO, I was sure it was how it would go down, and I haven't even been particularly interested in Palmar aside from that point. If palmar is town why didn't he realize his sanity wasn't confirmed? | ||
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Then why are we listening to him on voting Yamato? | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:03 yamato77 wrote: No, it isn't. Whatever, lynch me, I'm done arguing with you. No, you're not. We're going to lynch scum today. | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You tunneled me virtually all game as well, i am a townie. 4 people having the same read of you is an indication with a problem of your play. Also don't bash VE, he was doing far better than you are. You defended two mafia he had a hand in lynching. Yes, 4 people having the same read is a indication of bad play alignment regardless. But that doesn't make him scum. And town have defended scum before that also happens. On May 07 2013 12:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: have you read the game? I have had a read on yamato all game, ve had that same read, ace had the same read, palmar is now saying it? We know the flip of two of those players already, 1 was town 1 was 3p, both are responsible for heavy pushing the votes where mafia were lynched. Ace played for the most part a very town oriented game. I am inclined to believe that 4 players all getting the same read on a player means the guy is likely what those 4 think But did Ace play a pro-towny game? No. He helped push Oats/Yamato D1. He pushed inactive scum over mostly inactive scum D2. He pushed town over inactive scum D3. He acquiesced to inactive scum D4. He got caught D5 based on roleblocks. That's not very pro-town especially when you consider that he couldn't have know if/when Tube was going to be modkilled and then not been able to backdown on scum D2. Ace's 'scumread' on yamato could easily be explained by Ace wanting to limit the yamato tunnel OR by wanting to eliminate a good player. If anything, Ace's scumread on yamato makes yamato more likely to be town. | ||
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[spoiler] On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: [/spoilerStutters I think is town because of a meta read. Until he gives me reason to think he's scum, I will treat him as town because he's never played scum. There's little reason for me to believe that anything he's done is outside of what I expect from town Stutters, which admittedly isn't much to begin with. I would expect scum Stutters to be easy to pick out, because it owuld be his first game and he'd likely be horrible. WoS would also be first time scum, and he's too active for that. He's too involved. He's claimed miller within a reasonable context. Not what I'd expect from first time scum. Sharrant is highly involved in the game. and seems genuinely interested in figuring out the game. He's also the only person mafia Clarity ever talked about, which would be weird for his scum mate. I believe Sharrant would be another first-timer, so unless he's a prodigy, he's town. TRN is a mason, and I have little reason to be suspicious of him. When he masoned me, he seemed to want to figure me out, as he had apparently done with geript. Town. Geript is town because I understand how he thinks. I was just in a Hydra with him not long ago. His perspective on the game is similar to what I saw there. He's a little tunnelish, and genuinely doesn't understand my play this game. I believe it. Artanis is also likely town (unless my conspiracy theory comes true) because of how involved he's been in the game since yesterday. He's attempting to figure the game out in a rational way. I have little real reason to suspect him outside of interfering with me wanting to lynch you. BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption. BM is town because he's still playing the game. In Boardwalk, his activity fell off a cliff and he stopped trying later in the game when he realized the scum team's chances were shot. In a similar situation this game. he's still trying. Not to mention, day 1 he tried to talk sense to me in my trollish state. Easily town. Giygas is town through sheer effort. He's tryharding to figure out this game. I don't even have to explain this, it's so obvious. Kush I might be wrong about, but he seems genuine when he just wants a lynch. His accusation of me felt like an accusation town Kush would believe in. He's also not hardbussing, as far as I can see, so he's not mafia. Real heuristics, applied realistically. That leaves you and Hopeless, Palmar. Without your claim, there's nothing to point toward you being town, and the claim is ass. That post got me thinking. These type of reads are the exact same type of things he'd give on a player when I would ask about them in the hydra QT. The attitude he's showing also looks far more like VE in The Game than anything else I've seen. That's defeated town attitude where you have impetus to not give up but want to give up. I want to filter him more fully since I'm home now, but having time to think about that post at work and how things have panned out make me not want to lynch yamato. | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:20 TheRavensName wrote: B that logic, Palmar is even more innocent. Ace was pushing Palmar after Mafia was pretty far behind. Fair point. Then if not yamato or Palmar then I need to go back and reread to figure out who looks good to lynch then. | ||
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