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On April 08 2013 07:00 Restraining Order wrote:
In terms of scaring-me-about-getting-shot, I'll give your threat a 1 out of 10
I'll indulge though. Since you seem to ask for a gun-at-the-head read.
If I had to, I'd shoot Sno right now.
Not BM.
But,
I would not shoot now.
These things work better if it's not blatantly obvious you're just fishing for reactions/pressuring people into doing 'something', FYI.
It works because I can actually shoot whoever I want. I'll shoot those I think are scum of course. If you are town the point is that you don't make us waste one KP on you.
I will shoot someone if they don't do shit and keep lurking/being scummy as fuck, don't get me wrong. I'm just giving a heads up to try and not get such a shitty D1, that was my primary intention (if not I could have just shot by now. I didn't even plan on shooting/claiming this D1)
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On April 08 2013 06:56 Keirathi wrote:
@gonzaw:
I don't think there's anyone worth shooting right now. Not with 28 hours still left in the day.
So you still think Artanis is a good lynch? Do you not agree with my counterpoints?
You didn't provide counterpoints, other than "I don't find it convincing" >_>
The "fake" aggression is a gut feeling from me. I've seen several scum react in that way, differently than a townie would, and push people with that mentality before. I skimmed his British game and I don't really feel his behaviour in that regard is the same, unless you can provide examples.
So yes, I still think he's a good lynch.
On April 08 2013 07:13 Vivax wrote:
Gonzaw, for a start, ask that mofo sinani why he only shows up when you claim vig to tell you to shoot BM. Force him to make a case cause his entrance just now was ugh. It was his first post since quite a lot of time when it shouldn't have been such a post.
Ask him yourself I'm not thread police.
I try to focus on the stuff that I think matters. I don't really think sinani's retort about killing BM right now matters that much, mainly because it's not alignment indicative (taking account it was sinani that said so) and I doubt I can get a better answer out of him.
I'll analyze sinani accordingly when I find it necessary (so far I don't, unless you can convince me it is).
@austin: You are being kind of annoying right now dude. I've told you millions of times what I think of Shevlocke (why I'm indecisive on him). I'm waiting to see what he does, or what he doesn't do (the more he fails to drop by here).
I won't instantly think he's scum just by rereading his filter again. And I read his filter.
I still don't get what makes Shevlocke scummier than Artanis.....like..did I miss a scumslip or something >_>
I mean, I get how someone can think of him as scum.....but I'm missing how Artanis looks better than him, and I'm missing that "he's definitely scum" way I feel about scum :/
I will say that the more Shevlocke fails to appear and contribute, the more I feel like I could shoot him as well.
I'm torn between sno and shevlocke (although Shevlocke is more of a "yeah he could be scum, but I'm not sure if he should be a lynch (because of stuff explained before); maybe straight up killing him outside of lynch would be better"), leaning on sno.
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Question: How do you guys feel about both Shevlocke and Artanis being scum? Do you think this is possible (even considering Artanis' vote of Shevy up there)? If so, what do you think the correct course of action would be today?
Also, Sharrant get your ass in here, take your vote off Keirathi and do something.
Yamato, tell us why you parked your vote on Palmar and did shit all D1. Yes, I know you are "suspicious" of Palmar from that case you wrote, but you've ignored everything about Artanis, Shevlocke, and everything else. This is not helpful and is NOT how you played in early draft phase. Step up
I advise those that have votes on "irrelevant" people with just 1-2 votes take a step back, analyze them and Artanis/Shevlocke/etc again, and then tell us if you will keep parking your vote on that irrelevant guy, try to actually convince us to lynch him, or take a stance on Arty/Shevvy and put your vote on an actual lynch.
RO, do you still think S&B is scum? You parked your vote on him and I don't remember you commenting on him at all afterwards. You haven't commented on Artanis either.
Like half the game is just apathetic towards everything. I wish I could just shoot all of you :/
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@austin: Stop with the "he was discussed off a bunch" thing. Reread that part of my case, and what exactly I mean by it.
I'm not meaning what you think I'm meaning.
+ Show Spoiler +My point was that Artanis wasn't mentioned at all in the rolepicking phase nor D1. Shevlocke was mentioned in D1. There, argument ended
My feelings on Shevlocke reflect (and/or reflected) the same thoughts I made in that 1st post.
I can see some of the stuff he did, and mentioned about VE as scum for instance, but I can also think of him doing so as town in a null way.
I can't really say much more about it. It might help if I knew who he was smurfing as.
You can't just bully me into thinking he's surely scum or something right now, just as apparently I can't bully you into thinking Artanis is scum.
Right now I'll let things be (I'm a wise man in the end ya know?) and see how things develop from here.
Nothing good will come out from me spamming the thread regarding this whole issue again.
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Yeah, I might shoot VE for shits and giggles.
When people ask me "If you had a day vig, who would you use it on?" I always respond "On VE obviously"
You just can't go wrong with a VE day vig, you can't 
Anyways....yeah come on people sheep me on Artanis.
Keirathi/austin, come on, ##Join: SAT and sheep me!
Look:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 06:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Here's my reads on all those who are voted. VisceraEyesDefensive play, agrees with a lot of things in the thread. Seems complacent. The only game I remember that I played with VE was LI in which he was in everyone's face as scum. I also observed his play in Hydra Mini Mafia which he gave up in as soon as he got caught. This game feels like neither. He created a bad case on RO. Rereading Geript's case on him however does show a few valid points that point towards VE being scum which he never answered. Rather than defending himself, VE started attacking people that jumped on the wagon which isn't alignment indicative to me, as it's a both a valid way of finding scum and an easy way to dodge responsibility. However, I don't like his 180 going from his initial read of RO to Deconduo over one post that really didn't mean much. Leaning scum. VivaxVivax is Vivax. In all previous games I've played with him he's rolled scum, but sometimes the host accidentally flipped him green. This game I feel like he's playing better than any game he's had before. There's still Vivax moments of trying to be right where everyone else is wrong, but he's being cooperative. I see no reason why he wouldn't stick to his unreadable meta if he rolled scum. Town. Restraining OrderThe case on him was weak. Has done fairly little, but nothing that suggests a scum or a town mindset. Null on him. KeirathiSeems willing to want to figure the game out. Small thing that bothered me was that he had a plan regarding people picking roles to counter scumpicks, yet also advocating that everyone just picks the roles they want. Other than that, he's had a very constructive attitude and has been scumhunting and paranoid. Likely town. PalmarHas a hilarious plan, never actually goes anywhere with it. Trolls around all game. Throws a few accusations but never substantiates them. Says BM is scum but never goes anywhere with it, then jumps on the VE wagon as soon as he notices no one else is putting in the effort to get BM lynched. After checking out RED Team's Prize (where he was blue) he always pushed his own ideas. He asked people what they thought, but nothing that came close to sheeping. He's a lot more disinterested than what I've seen in that game. Leaning scum. ShelvockeHis filter is fairly empty. His D1 plan was "pick whatever you like" then never actually pushed it. Rather than contributing to plans, he just calls all of them bad. Spends a lot of time on setup talk then jumps on the VE wagon as well. He never replies to the case made on him or any suspicion laid on him at all. Avoiding responsibility for his reads. There's really nothing in his filter to suggest towniness. Scum. RaynpelikoneetContradicted my RNG plan without a real reason. Nominates himself as towniest very quickly. Calls everyone that pushed ideas town. Randomly passes by scumreads whilst only having talked about setup before then, doesn't explain why. Massive amount of oneliners that clutter up the thread and say very little/nothing. His paranoia and flailing about in the last two pages of his filter make me hesitant, but still leaning scum. StrongandbigBasically did nothing until mid D1, but I like this post. Pointing a lot of fingers at people for good reasons. Leaning town. DeconduoPlaying a fairly timid game, but I can follow his thought process very well. It's hard to really put a finger to, but all his posts speak to me from a town viewpoint and VE's reason for voting Deconduo feels weak. I'm willing to vote for VE, Palmar, Shevlocke and Raynpelikoneet, with a preference for Shevlocke.
Artanis doesn't even care about the game.
He makes a list of reads that follow town sentiment (VE lurky, Kei town, Shevlock scum, Palmar lurky scum, etc etc)
He then parks his vote on the other "obvious" lynch candidate.....and just leaves.
Like hell I'm going to believe a town Artanis, after being called out and having a giant case on him, will just make a single post with some "normal" reads, park his vote on the dude everybody else wants to lynch, and just leave and do shit all.
You may notice how I didn't even respond to that post of his. I didn't so I could see if he was going to follow it up with something else.
He could have commented on anything else, he could have pressured someone else to see if they were scum, he could have discussed shit with us regarding this whole Shevlock issue and other stuff.
But no, he parked his vote and went AFK.
All he has done this game is:
1)Do all the scummy shit I've mentioned in my case
2)Disappear for like half of D1
3)Come back and make a generic wall of text defense against myself
4)Disappear again
5)Make generic bland list of reads, park vote on guy
6)Disappear again
austin, Kei, please make a little more effort in telling us why Artanis is town
Please read his filter from British Mafia 2 and tell me how he's playing similarly, and if he's not playing similarly, tell me why he's playing differently as town and not as scum.
Also I dunno why but after Obvious reading ALL of Artanis games and concluding the same thing as I do....it makes me feel better about my Artanis read >_>
The thing about Shevlocke that makes me doubt lynching him....is that he doesn't seem to "appear" as scum seem to do. He doesn't post fluff shit, he speaks his mind in a blunt manner.
He instantly calls VE out for what it is, and doesn't go around posting bullshit about it.
He then calls VE out again in a similar fashion, no bullshit, just sticking to his guns.
Obviously he could somehow be scum and still do that.....but for a D1 lynch? Nah
It'd be better lynching VE, or maybe even Palmar, or even sinani or someone else, or even Sno (although I'd prefer a shot on him) than Shevlocke at this moment
Right now 8 people are voting Artanis.
So if you guys dont' want Artanis lynched, make an effort to PROVE to us he's town, rather than dismiss my case and accusations with just "meh I am not convinced with that".
If you are just not sure about Artanis (instead of thinking he's town), then don't worry. Just sheep me and we'll be a big nice family :D
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austin, go read British Mafia 2 once and for all before just dismissing it and saying "yeah I haven't read his games yet" :/
I remember Artanis in LI (I forgot he was there if OO hadn't mentioned it lol) accused me of a scumslip as well.
I....the most pro-town motherfucker in LI, and he caught a "scumslip" and seriously accused me, using an aggressive serious tone. I instantly knew he was scum after that....it was impossible a townie would do that
Now go read his geript case. Geript was pretty much town (in the eyes of many, me, yamato, etc), and Artanis comes up with some "bullshit" stuff (including the scumslip) and goes against him.
I had the same reaction
I'm going to trust my gut on this one.
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On April 08 2013 10:24 Mocsta wrote:
Gonzaw
Unrelated question.
Do you think I spamming up the thread?
I am asking because my last couple posts have all been big text walls; and not sure if Im getting my message across succinctly at the moment.
Nah you are doing fine I think.
Your posts consolidate some nice needed points regarding Artanis and the like
Just don't worry too much about it
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Does anyone have old games from Sharrant, both town and scum?
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On April 08 2013 11:06 yamato77 wrote:
Gonzaw, what do you think about killing sinani?
Hmm, not that convinced right now.
If he's town that'd be better than a misslynch though....
...but if that's what should happen, it'd be better to let him live until D2 at least...and maybe shoot him there
I won't shoot anybody that hasn't had a chance to "redeem" themselves yet. Sno being so damn awful could be tied to IRL stuff. I mean, he hasn't even voted yet, he may even get replaced/modkill.
BC was seeking a replacement in the "Player Replacement" thread, and so far it seems Snoman is the one fitting that bill.
He damn sure looks scummy though, but I'd wait until he shows up to do any shit and analyze what he does, or for his replacement to get here and analyze what he does (knowing that his predecessor was scummy as fuck)
We can just vig him at night, either he if he just comes here to avoid modkill and does shit all, or his replacement if he gets replaced.
I can save my day KP to D2, and there shoot guys that don't do shit. Seems the ability is more useful that way.
I hate scummy guys replacing though 
Something like that game can happen, where Ver was scum, got replaced, and his replacement acted in a way that made him survive until end-game or something. That sucks.
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Well, today we are lynching Artanis and he'll flip scum. No worries about sinani there.
Tonight...well townies die
On D2, we can see if sinani becomes a problem if he's town and "has always going to have suspicion cast over him", if he wasn't vigged on N1 by then (or shot by scum...somehow).
I think I'm a nice Medic target though, so I hope I don't die shot tonight. I never get shot by scum as town these days though.
If we lynch scum today even if I die tonight that KP won't be missed that much (if town has more KP...as it may seem it has)
I'm not totally convinced on using it on anybody other than Sno today either (and I'm sure other townies with KP can deal with that if I die).
I don't really want to rush the KP just in case I die tonight. That doesn't seem wise.
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lol at that 2-way bandwagon on OO
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Hmm, have nothing to say about you guys' cases. Let's see what happens
I'll say Obvious started to rub me the "right" way, with the way he went analyzing Artanis, to his conclusion (the right one....I hope), and some stuff he said.
He was indeed fluffy and shit early in the game though.
The timing is indeed hilarious though.
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On April 08 2013 11:28 Caller wrote:
fuck you goznaw, we're lynching obviousone tonight. if he doesn't get lynched, i'm going to nuke him first, and then i'm going to nuke you. change your vote.
do i have nukes? ^_^ who knows
You are free to do with your nukes what you want, as long as you take responsibility for your actions and the consequences of them
Also, hey! Maybe we can start a nuke war together!
WW3: Mafia Edition! Wohoo!
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Oh Caller, you are so cute when you get angry! :3
Anyways, imma go to sleep soon, and tomorrow I'll get here 1 hour or 30 minutes before deadline I hope.
...hmm, actually I'm not sure. If I can't get here I'll try getting in by phone (I suck reading games via phone though)
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Ooh, thank god I didn't try to shoot VE then!
Hmm, this brings something interesting to the table
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There's a chance Sno or sinani took NRA member...
....goddamn now I feel so much better for not shooting either of them yet :/
The NRA member out of them and VE could claim, although it does seem it's likely VE.
For anyone at 1-5 place taking NRA member....it's weird as fuck if they are town. At that stage you wouldn't take NRA member I think. Oh well, geript did, but geript tried to be townie so it makes sense (neither sinani/Sno/VE tried to be townie, and I'd say OO and rayn don't seem to me like they'd take NRA member either if they are town).
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Well...technically I could just shoot Artanis and we could lynch VE.
It is an option. I doubt I'll do it (specially since I may not be here until the deadline).
I'd like some explanations from VE, or alternatively....him showing up at all ya know?
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FINALLY IT HAS ENDED
FOR CHRISTS SAKE
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