Boardwalk Empire Mafia: Pick Your Power - Page 6

On March 11 2013 11:12 austinmcc wrote:
snb, three things

what are those BHs in the Foolishness pic holding?

wbg's posts may ramble, but they rambled while making townie points (at times). Read his post about how rats work. It's not the most insightful thing ever, but it gave me a strong townie vibe on him, because he was still playing mafia while filling the thread with nonsense (unlike crossfire).

oats does look bad. I like the point on reads more than the point on not following his own advice, especially within a game where everyone is playing as someone else. For starts, you look at the iamperfection/mocsta pushes from oats, but you miss this:Oats still pushing iamp, before you post, in response to iamp finding hiro scummy based on hiro's wanting claims. Specifically, iamp made a case, and oats immediately jumps all over iamp. I dislike that, because he's not actually seeking discussion on those questions, he starts off with the all caps LYNCH IAMP, which makes it feel like the questions don't matter. He just wants to lynch iamp, for...making a case and scumhunting.

There's also his posts on ver. Check these out:Ver's entrance is "unimpressive" and he has no posts after. Reads like Oats finds this scummy
But now acro finds Ver scummy for the same post, and Oats thinks it's a horrible reason for a vote.
Acro responds, and Oats downplays Ver's post. Ver has a whopping one post. And yet Oats still manages to have 3 different thoughts about it. Weird interaction, and weirdly inconsistent.

On April 08 2013 04:12 austinmcc wrote:
Was waiting on your response, wanted to see if you picked up on something.


I disagree with your ultimate setup discussion conclusion.

• Artanis repeatedly comments on his RNG plan, but does NOT push it hard. Agree with you there
• Artanis's RNG plan is, imo, anti-scum. Scum has the advantage of planning out numbers/roles. To the extent that town crafts a pro-town plan, scum still has an advantage in planning out numbers/roles with relation to town's plan. RNG is the single best way to limit scum's pre-game advantage imo. It creates a plan for town, but limits scum's ability to make scummy plans around the town plan.
• Therefore, the setup talk comes out in favor of town-artanis to me. He is weakly pushing a plan, agree. But I believe that the plan he lightly pushed is pro-town. Given the choice of "lightly pushing a pro-town plan" meaning he's scum and doesn't want to really push it or he's town and just isn't super pushy/involved, I will take the latter. Scum had no need to bring up a fresh plan, nobody has tried to defend him based on this, so for now...I like the setup discussion as town.

We are both wordy, but I don't see the complaints as much and I don't see the need for them to warrant much comment. At the END of your complaint section, I do like you mentioning "cramming all sorts of things into a single post." I have not known scum to do that, tbh, but I can't really fight your conclusion there because I don't have a ledger of all the crammed-together posts and whether they came from scum to town. I know that, when I'm town, I often try to avoid commenting on some things, try to push a few small lines of thought and not get tripped up, but that may be because of my inexperience and it might not be a normal scum thought process. Whatever. Still got nothing pointing me to scumtanis from your case.

The geript case is poopy as I look back over it. It's either just not something I agree with or slightly scummy, but it's friggin pregame and early. You've also noted that you were watching artanis before he made this post. That makes it seem like you may be playing up the geript case as an indicator of scumtanis, because you were already scummy on artanis, and I dislike that. Just...I agree that artanis's geript case is not strong like ox, but I'm still not over to scummy on him (this is running commentary on just your case, if I'm taking each point and seeing how it sways me).

The backing off point is the first thing that I can see in a scummy light. The weaker the case, the easier to back off, but yeah, he's put a lot of effort into this and he backs off with the not liking your posts comment. I've done that myself as town, when I start to realize a scumread is feeling more town, you've looked at these posts as scummy for a while and it's hard to undo that even once you find someone to be townie, but I can also see the scum point of view there. I will agree that it's a half-assed way to back off.

***EVERYONE IGNORING ARTANIS*** This is why I asked you about Shelvocke. You know who's been ignored? Shelvocke. You know who Meapak ALSO commented on, then I commented on and voted, but has had basically NO discussion today about him? Shelvocke. I wanted to see if you picked up on that, because I read your point here and immediately went "Agree that this can indicate scum" and then "Oh right, this also applies to Shelvocke."

Overall, I like the ignoring point and think it CAN point towards scum. The backing off point is fine, and I think it CAN point to scum. Some of the points I'm meh on, and the RNG setup discussion in the beginning is something I find townie.

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If I just filter Artanis away from your specific points, I see a couple things:

His aggression is all confined to like...an hour and a half of activity following his geript case/vote/post. He's gone for 11 hours or whatever, comes back, first thing he does is apparently re-read Geript, what has happened in relation to Geript in the meantime, and respond that he is reconsidering. I actually REALLY like that response. If Artanis is scum I don't see reason for the return to thread to be anything other than pushing a little more, creating a little more chaos, something, rather than just dropping your read. We're not even in the voting phase yet, there's no REAL reason to be changing your reads around if mafia, you're still just sort of dicking around, chatting in scum QT, whatever, and reading through your scumread's response to your stuff, changing your mind, and having that be the FIRST thing you do on return to the thread feels town to me. Thoughts on that?

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There is my response. I don't want to lynch Artanis. I DO want to chat a little more about Shelvocke, especially with regard to the lack of commentary/votes/whatnot on him and your finding that scummy about Artanis.