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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 20:08 GMT
#1871
Either way, both Emperor and Vote Rigger should claim on day 2. If not, then I will 100% assume any later claim is from scum.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 20:19 GMT
#1872
I definitely can see Austin as scum. Look at how many times he defends both VE and Artanis. Off the top of my head this reminds me of his game in IIRC personality 2. I also utilized him a decent amount in my first newbie game here; I don't have a great understanding of his mindset, but I'm not terribly remembering a similar mindset here.
##FOS austinmcc
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 20:27 GMT
#1877
Having played in that game with Sn0_Man as scum, I think you're taking that game entirely out of context. He replaced in D3 when there was heavy focus on 1 town (I forget his name) and 1 scum (MLuneth). There was no NK on N1. He was put into a completely different situation than starting out here. Additionally, he doesn't post much on weekends regardless of alignment. Plus, Austin looks like scum to me.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 20:28 GMT
#1879
On April 09 2013 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 05:06 Caller wrote:
guys i have this amazing idea

if there is emprah all they ahve to do is wait till tmrw then claim and do double lynch. since emprah is most likely in the VE vote list, where there is almost certainly mafia and lots of it, this will thin out the list some more. and its easy as hell to filter out any fake claims.

npnp

Why do you think there are a lot of mafia in VE voters? I can't see it. Why would scum push a counter wagon on another scum?

Bussing 1 obvious scum to save a non-obvious one isn't bad strategy. I outed VE's role in thread. I also thought Artanis was town (shame on me). Added to his lack of activity, I would absolutely bus VE in that situation too.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 20:29 GMT
#1880
On April 09 2013 05:25 Palmar wrote:
Caller is the hero this town needs.

Why you give me no credit?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 20:32 GMT
#1885
@Oats you just finished a Hydra with Austin right? What's your read on him?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 20:33 GMT
#1887
On April 09 2013 05:31 Palmar wrote:
also shame on the people who were going to back off artanis when gonzaw was shot for calling him scum.

Why you hate on newbie who correctly called out VE's role and him as scum. I am disappoint.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 20:40 GMT
#1890
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 11 2013 11:12 austinmcc wrote:
snb, three things

what are those BHs in the Foolishness pic holding?

wbg's posts may ramble, but they rambled while making townie points (at times). Read his post about how rats work. It's not the most insightful thing ever, but it gave me a strong townie vibe on him, because he was still playing mafia while filling the thread with nonsense (unlike crossfire).

oats does look bad. I like the point on reads more than the point on not following his own advice, especially within a game where everyone is playing as someone else. For starts, you look at the iamperfection/mocsta pushes from oats, but you miss this:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
LYNCH IAMP.

Why Hiro and not the other numerous people with 1/2/3 posts?

Also Hiro never pushed that idea as it was never brought up again.
Oats still pushing iamp, before you post, in response to iamp finding hiro scummy based on hiro's wanting claims. Specifically, iamp made a case, and oats immediately jumps all over iamp. I dislike that, because he's not actually seeking discussion on those questions, he starts off with the all caps LYNCH IAMP, which makes it feel like the questions don't matter. He just wants to lynch iamp, for...making a case and scumhunting.

There's also his posts on ver. Check these out:
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On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I do not use the word expound.

Mocsta start playing the damn game.

What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv.
Who is your top scumread.
Ver's entrance is "unimpressive" and he has no posts after. Reads like Oats finds this scummy
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On March 10 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote:
**VER'S POST WAS HERE**
Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt.

##vote Ver


Thats a horrible reason to think someone is scum.

Seriously do you think he is serious?

Also arent you of the opinion that vets shouldnt be lynched day 1 unless scum claim in thread?
But now acro finds Ver scummy for the same post, and Oats thinks it's a horrible reason for a vote.
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On March 10 2013 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 10 2013 23:51 Acrofales wrote:
That's stupid. Ver dropped in to tell us he hasn't read his role pm. Now you can believe him, in which case he is probably worth keeping around. However the chance is bigger that he is NOT rping Drazerk and HAS read his pm. Now that means he is lying and giving himself an excuse to act any way he chooses.

Who needs excuses like that? Scum. I was looking forward to playing with Ver, but if he's scum, we should kill him.


Or he was kidding, and roleplaying.

Its one fucking post. Is he really the scummiest person so far?
Acro responds, and Oats downplays Ver's post. Ver has a whopping one post. And yet Oats still manages to have 3 different thoughts about it. Weird interaction, and weirdly inconsistent.



+ Show Spoiler +
On April 08 2013 04:12 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 03:41 gonzaw wrote:
On April 08 2013 02:01 austinmcc wrote:
Vivax is missing the point, but he's not new and I wouldn't attribute that post to him being scummy. Yes, it shows that he's not following his read throughout the thread there, but it's not like scumVivax should be popping into thread and dropping that question without reading through to see what's happened.


gonzaw, thoughts on shelvocke?


I'm null on Shevlocke. I had found some stuff I found a little suspicious of him at first (like his first post I believe), and I guess some stuff others say makes sense about him (like how he pushed VE).
But nothing convinces me for a D1 lynch.

He hasn't been around for much either, which is not good for him, but it isn't good for me to get a better read on him either.

Now I'd like you to return the favor, which is....you know....commenting on the gigantic case I made.
Was waiting on your response, wanted to see if you picked up on something.


I disagree with your ultimate setup discussion conclusion.
  • Artanis repeatedly comments on his RNG plan, but does NOT push it hard. Agree with you there
  • Artanis's RNG plan is, imo, anti-scum. Scum has the advantage of planning out numbers/roles. To the extent that town crafts a pro-town plan, scum still has an advantage in planning out numbers/roles with relation to town's plan. RNG is the single best way to limit scum's pre-game advantage imo. It creates a plan for town, but limits scum's ability to make scummy plans around the town plan.
  • Therefore, the setup talk comes out in favor of town-artanis to me. He is weakly pushing a plan, agree. But I believe that the plan he lightly pushed is pro-town. Given the choice of "lightly pushing a pro-town plan" meaning he's scum and doesn't want to really push it or he's town and just isn't super pushy/involved, I will take the latter. Scum had no need to bring up a fresh plan, nobody has tried to defend him based on this, so for now...I like the setup discussion as town.


We are both wordy, but I don't see the complaints as much and I don't see the need for them to warrant much comment. At the END of your complaint section, I do like you mentioning "cramming all sorts of things into a single post." I have not known scum to do that, tbh, but I can't really fight your conclusion there because I don't have a ledger of all the crammed-together posts and whether they came from scum to town. I know that, when I'm town, I often try to avoid commenting on some things, try to push a few small lines of thought and not get tripped up, but that may be because of my inexperience and it might not be a normal scum thought process. Whatever. Still got nothing pointing me to scumtanis from your case.

The geript case is poopy as I look back over it. It's either just not something I agree with or slightly scummy, but it's friggin pregame and early. You've also noted that you were watching artanis before he made this post. That makes it seem like you may be playing up the geript case as an indicator of scumtanis, because you were already scummy on artanis, and I dislike that. Just...I agree that artanis's geript case is not strong like ox, but I'm still not over to scummy on him (this is running commentary on just your case, if I'm taking each point and seeing how it sways me).

The backing off point is the first thing that I can see in a scummy light. The weaker the case, the easier to back off, but yeah, he's put a lot of effort into this and he backs off with the not liking your posts comment. I've done that myself as town, when I start to realize a scumread is feeling more town, you've looked at these posts as scummy for a while and it's hard to undo that even once you find someone to be townie, but I can also see the scum point of view there. I will agree that it's a half-assed way to back off.

***EVERYONE IGNORING ARTANIS*** This is why I asked you about Shelvocke. You know who's been ignored? Shelvocke. You know who Meapak ALSO commented on, then I commented on and voted, but has had basically NO discussion today about him? Shelvocke. I wanted to see if you picked up on that, because I read your point here and immediately went "Agree that this can indicate scum" and then "Oh right, this also applies to Shelvocke."

Overall, I like the ignoring point and think it CAN point towards scum. The backing off point is fine, and I think it CAN point to scum. Some of the points I'm meh on, and the RNG setup discussion in the beginning is something I find townie.



If I just filter Artanis away from your specific points, I see a couple things:

His aggression is all confined to like...an hour and a half of activity following his geript case/vote/post. He's gone for 11 hours or whatever, comes back, first thing he does is apparently re-read Geript, what has happened in relation to Geript in the meantime, and respond that he is reconsidering. I actually REALLY like that response. If Artanis is scum I don't see reason for the return to thread to be anything other than pushing a little more, creating a little more chaos, something, rather than just dropping your read. We're not even in the voting phase yet, there's no REAL reason to be changing your reads around if mafia, you're still just sort of dicking around, chatting in scum QT, whatever, and reading through your scumread's response to your stuff, changing your mind, and having that be the FIRST thing you do on return to the thread feels town to me. Thoughts on that?


There is my response. I don't want to lynch Artanis. I DO want to chat a little more about Shelvocke, especially with regard to the lack of commentary/votes/whatnot on him and your finding that scummy about Artanis.

Anyone see any similarities here? austinmcc is more than willing to defend a scum buddy by going on offense. I don't think he would've attacked me considering how my thread sentiment had me painted as confirmed town.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 20:52 GMT
#1894
On April 09 2013 00:56 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 09 2013 00:48 austinmcc wrote:
WEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEE

It is not terribly important whether this is similar to the yamato/kurumi shot in Personality 2. This is a different game, and I don't think either of you can go from proving your point as to whether it's similar --> scumhunting effectively in this game.

So please, drop it.

You are liking your role as 'thread police' slightly too much.
have less fun please.

Lynch VE?
I like to have fun.

In all honesty, I'm considering VE. I still believe shelvocke to be mafia, and I like that lynch a lot. Much of the case on VE is that he hasn't been doing anything, which is NOT something that I expect from mafia-VE, honestly. However, it's not something that I expect from town-VE, especially if geript is telling the truth and SOMEONE up at the top is an NRA member (I agree with the sentiment that if someone at the top took that role, it's likely VE OR shelvocke (again, shelvocke is pretty clearly a smurf and people seem to be overlooking that)).

Any reason in particular why I should lynch VE over shelvocke?

This post looks to me exactly like: I want to try and get a Shelvocke mislynch, but to not out myself as I feel VE is dead regardless I don't want to close the door on me being able to vote for him to not look scummy. It essentially says "Well if we can believe geript then VE likely took NRA and that makes him scum OR Shelvocke who drafted 16th took it and Shelvocke is a smurf so he should be given more attention."
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 20:54 GMT
#1896
On April 09 2013 05:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
VE and Artanis could have been "Cupided" together. Super-duper unlikely but possible.

Seriously stop this. Following up on all of the possibilities is mostly worthless. Go scumhunt.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 20:56 GMT
#1898
hmmm. Ok austin, I'll take a far more serious look at Sn0 on that post, that mislynch scumslip is enticing me. Time to reread your points against him again.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 21:16 GMT
#1904
@sn0_man Which games have you shadowed in (if any) and who did you shadow?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 21:22 GMT
#1907
Someone please strongly considering shooting sn0_man tonight. I also wouldn't mind a framer considering to redirect any sn0_man action back on himself.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 21:51 GMT
#1914
I like that Vivax case too. Ugh. So many good options... so few lynches available.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 22:21 GMT
#1919
I think we have some strong information to shoot off of and some people who are acting exceptionally odd/scummy. I'm fine with either a Vivax or Sn0 shot. Of the two, I'd much prefer a Sn0 shot as we'd likely have to lynch him sometime anyways. Other than that, not so much.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 22:21 GMT
#1920
Palmar, you want to come out of your shell any?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 23:06 GMT
#1928
On April 09 2013 08:04 Palmar wrote:
what now?

#winner
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 08 2013 23:50 GMT
#1938
@Mocsta how do you feel about austin?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 09 2013 01:03 GMT
#1982
I'm still hurt that you didn't give me any credit for VE Palmar. I may have to go to my room to cry myself to sleep.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 09 2013 01:07 GMT
#1986
On April 09 2013 10:04 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 10:03 geript wrote:
I'm still hurt that you didn't give me any credit for VE Palmar. I may have to go to my room to cry myself to sleep.

you didn't even help getting him killed

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