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On April 06 2013 13:54 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 13:28 Mocsta wrote:@ArtanisXpI would like to continue discussion regarding your Geript case. Specifically, your qualms with Geripts wishy-washiness on whether I am town as follows: + Show Spoiler [Artanis on Geript] +On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to: =============================== On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie. Oh and I think you're pretty townie. =============================== Why on earth would a townie post this?
WHY?Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. What I find curious about the above, is when we start discussing Geript and you comment the below: + Show Spoiler [Artanis WishyWashy] +On April 06 2013 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I had you as weak town before our exchange, and the post you made questioned that read, so I questioned you. At first I thought it made you null again, but rereading it I realized that your wishy-washy post wouldn't make sense if Geript is scum, because he created an easy way for you to defend him which you denied. Since I believe Geript to be scum that makes you fairly town. On April 06 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote:
Lol.. and if he is town.. what then? On April 06 2013 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Then you'd be null again. I find this interchange ironic, as you flip flop regarding my alignment much to the same manner Geript does. Let me guess, the heuristic doesnt apply to your play?
Further, I shall ask the same question I asked Geript. On April 05 2013 15:18 Mocsta wrote:
Im not sure why I need to know you have me as town though? Nor why everyone else needs to know?
Im asking because, Im still trying to figure out if that affects my perception of you. town are more likely to flip flop than mafia
u do realise artanis based his scum read of geript upon the flip flop reads u associate with being more likely from town...right¿
the irony being that artanis flipflopped his read of me.
Using artanisxp heuristic for geript. Artanis is scum
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On April 06 2013 14:03 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 14:02 geript wrote:On April 06 2013 13:55 Keirathi wrote:
Yo, broski. How do you know that RO is town? I don't know if he's town or not. I'm saying that from the looks of thread sentiment he looks like a great potential mislynch. On April 06 2013 13:52 ObviousOne wrote:
... not sure what to make of this but way to leave yourself open to accusations of a scum slip. Wow that's really bad looking.
I played Scum in The Game. That was the clear reference. Have you not been paying attention? this looks like your town meta from LXwhat do you have in terms of townreads? What do you think of Artanis's case on you?
What.... Expound.
Geript in lx as town was terribad. Everyone thought he was scum
what are u actually saying here.
Lets see some accountability pl0x
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On April 06 2013 17:11 Bill Murray wrote:
i didnt read the entire thread to see him getting chastised; i compared the similarities of his play here and his play there
So you are admiting to negligence - in relation to the Geript meta read.
Hence, why bother to comment.
Let me remind you.
On April 06 2013 14:03 Bill Murray wrote:
this looks like your town meta from LX
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On April 06 2013 16:21 geript wrote:
Mocsta, what do you think of my points on VE? I think there are many low post count / low contribution count players in the game.
VE -as you presented- is one of them. I am keen to read his response.
I think any further commentary is simply, conjecture.
P.S. I am still waiting for Vivax to reply to my second follow up.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=37#722
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On April 06 2013 17:38 geript wrote:
Why did you avoid my question? I expect better of you Mocsta.
I didnt avoid it in a hidden way.
Why do I need to say I like it or not; and potentially influence the raw opinion of VE?
I think the case has enough merit, that it requires an unhindered response.
Ppl have a habit of commenting on cases (that are not directed to them); and affect the outcome of the case. That is bad play; so you were right to expect better from me... That better was to not comment.
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On April 06 2013 17:43 Palmar wrote:
wtf when does this game start?
Apparently, BC fucked something up.
So its been extended 24 hrs.
Its not clear whether the role PMs sent, are still eligible/applicable.
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On April 06 2013 18:28 Palmar wrote:
mocsta gimme 2 names or something for me to read.
Bill Murray
Vivax
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On April 06 2013 21:13 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 17:31 Mocsta wrote:On April 06 2013 17:11 Bill Murray wrote:
i didnt read the entire thread to see him getting chastised; i compared the similarities of his play here and his play there So you are admiting to negligence - in relation to the Geript meta read. Hence, why bother to comment. Let me remind you. On April 06 2013 14:03 Bill Murray wrote:
this looks like your town meta from LX i read his posts, not the entire game... are you dumb?
LOL... so if you read his posts, you would realise he was being continually harassed as a scum target.
you would realise his fragile mindset, that led him to self explode in the thread.
You dont need to read the game; to understand that he did not come across as town.
Your read is full of shit; and when I call you out for it; you go ad hominem and call me dumb.
I asked palmar to look into you; because I thought you were scum.
He agrees.
Come Day1; my vote goes straight on you.
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On April 06 2013 23:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Bm totes town. If you want to call him town, you are going to have to lay down some justification.
"BM totes town" is not good enough.
All i see if a guy who thread contributions can be summarised in 3 short points
(1) Useless spam - null by itself
(2) Useless list post - null by itself
(3) Useless Geript meta read - null by itself
All 3 points summate to a value greater than the individual parts.
i.e. It equates to a mindset indicative of both laziness; and wanting to blend in without actually contributing.
When questioned about his useless read on Geript; he then retaliates by throwing ad-hominem remarks.. showing another aspect of his scum mindset - lack of accountability.
So Oats, indulge me on why you think none of the above makes BM scum.
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On April 07 2013 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 23:55 Mocsta wrote:If you want to call him town, you are going to have to lay down some justification. "BM totes town" is not good enough.
All i see if a guy who thread contributions can be summarised in 3 short points (1) Useless spam - null by itself (2) Useless list post - null by itself (3) Useless Geript meta read - null by itself All 3 points summate to a value greater than the individual parts.i.e. It equates to a mindset indicative of both laziness; and wanting to blend in without actually contributing. When questioned about his useless read on Geript; he then retaliates by throwing ad-hominem remarks.. showing another aspect of his scum mindset - lack of accountability.
So Oats, indulge me on why you think none of the above makes BM scum. Because none of the above makes him scum? You have to remember that BM hasnt played in FOREVER. Ok read through the last 3 pages. Tell me its scum writing that please  The geript read looks thought through and yeah he says fuck you Im right.(town) TOWN DUDE. Also Palmar didnt comment of Vivax. SCUM DUDE (not so serious eh?  )
Disagree in full - but with you that is always to be expected.
(1)
Im curious specifically about:
On April 07 2013 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
The geript read looks thought through
Considering my main issue with BM is around this not being the case; and him admitting he was negligent with the admission.
Im going to need you to explain this one in more detail.
(2)
If you want another one of BMs: chime in to contribute without contributing posts.
How about this regarding ArtanisXP
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 13:54 Bill Murray wrote:
town are more likely to flip flop than mafia Funny, because Artanis take on the situation is much different: On April 06 2013 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
No, I don't flip-flop on your alignment as all. I'm very specific in what my conclusion is and my thought process towards it is explained.
So you think it is townie; to come in, and comment on issues such as Geript/Artanis to appear as contributing but not actually performing the due diligence?
(3)
Lastly, who does the below refer to:
On April 07 2013 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
SCUM DUDE Palmar, Vivax, or both?
Why did you feel the need to hard-defend BillMurray, and then throw Palmar's name into the mix?
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BTW. Whether oats is town or scum doesn't matter.
What he is doing is absolute bullshit.
I.e. he decided to give his 2cents, and then proceeds to afk when questioned further.
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Problem is. He's active as fuck in ego Mafia. As in right now as I make this post.
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Playing 2 Gamez simultaneously is not an excuse to be disruptive and unaccountable.
I'm saying this because at least 3 ppl are in 2games currently.
Yes.inactivty is not a scum tell.
But i will not let..
coming in to contribute without reading the thread properly is just plain bullshit and hiding behind..well shit in other game got heated.. Is not an excuse now or later.
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On April 07 2013 01:43 Bill Murray wrote:
Mocsta I don't give a shit if you vote me or not
Not like I've played a game in the last 7 months
I'm going to bed at 1pm
At least I'm not a townie
fuck it
I'm not sure wtf that means.
At least I'm not a townie??
BTW, nice add in of a newbie claim
Anyways. I'm going to bed too. Ciao
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On April 07 2013 14:07 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 13:25 yamato77 wrote:
He's pushing VE.
How do you feel about VE? I'll be completely honest: I have absolutely no idea how to read VE. In both games I've played with him [on my own*], I've thought he was scum and been completely wrong. (*Exception being Hydra, but that was just marv. I actually didn't have an opinion on VE before marv started telling me he was scum). I will say that I have noticed something that scum VE does that town VE doesn't. He hasn't done it yet this game. And obviously I can't say what it is, because then he would just know to avoid doing it. I'll expound on it later if something changes.
Mr. Meta king Keirathi.
Can you give me your opinion on S&B.
I only have played games where he was town.
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I assume because the Day started; and I received no updated Role PM.. the original PM holds
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Yes, im comfortable with a SnB vote as well.
My expectations for a town SnB are more of a personal heuristic, from "The Game" ObsQT where SnB berated me for poor play, incessantly.
Im not getting any of that vibe from him this game at all.
In fact, his emphasis in that ObsQT exchange was that town shouldnt be posting useless/nothing posts; yet, here ironically he admits he hasnt posted "anything of substance since the game started".
##Vote: StrongandBig
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On April 07 2013 14:35 Bill Murray wrote:
^town
If only I was 1 minute quicker.
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Lol. I just finished re-reading your case and was about to comment; but you beat me to to it 
I like a lot of the stuff you raise; its a solid extension of the 180' plan flips I raised prior.
The problem is: for whatever reason, people assumed he was high that day when he started acting crazy: so I have kinda put those point at that point in time as moot - even though it wasnt confirmed.
Where I see validity with the above in mind: is that, post-hoc he has added nothing in value, nor has he tried to endorse the plans that he agreed to , when "apparently" sober.
I am happy with lynching Rayn or SnB this cycle.
I would prefer SnB on the basis that I assume him to be a better player in general.
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On April 07 2013 14:44 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 14:39 Keirathi wrote:On April 07 2013 14:36 Mocsta wrote:
Yes, im comfortable with a SnB vote as well.
My expectations for a town SnB are more of a personal heuristic, from "The Game" ObsQT where SnB berated me for poor play, incessantly.
Im not getting any of that vibe from him this game at all.
In fact, his emphasis in that ObsQT exchange was that town shouldnt be posting useless/nothing posts; yet, here ironically he admits he hasnt posted "anything of substance since the game started".
##Vote: StrongandBig Talk to me about rayn first. EBWOP: Also, I guess I should say that town S&B didn't really berate people for poor play in RED that I remember. And berating people for poor play in an Obs QT when you weren't even part of the game is something that lots of people do. I don't think its specific to S&B or to S&B's town play at all.
Which is why I said personal.
It wasnt the act of berating.. it was the tone used.
I have seen him use the same tone in town games; im not getting it this game.. but thats a highly personal feel, and not something i can build a case on obviously.
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Sinani, that type of post makes me want to unvote SnB.
Sinani.. opinion on Raypelikoneet. gogogo
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Shevlocke,
I can only recall one person using the phrase "lettuce" for "let us"
twas a recent newbie IIRC. Can you confirm if correct?
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