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I have the exact opposite read on this. Yes, I agree that they killed Gonzaw because he was active and we were forming around him, but I think this implicates VE far more than Artanis.
I first considering VE going for NRA when I reread his filter from this post:
On April 05 2013 11:55 VisceraEyes wrote:Now, I fully did NOT expect to be so high in the draft. As a result, I'm ill-prepared. On the one hand, I promised myself that if I was in the top 10 I'd try for a specific role. On the other hand, being SO high up makes me a good counter-picking candidate. However considering my low thread presence this game, I can understand reservations with this.
Of the top 5, I didn't think that either Rayn or Sno would take NRA member. I can't rule it out but it would seem exceptionally odd. I imagine that OO would take something else. The two who I could realistically see taking it are Sinani and VE. For me, VE confirmed it with this exchange:
On April 07 2013 04:40 geript wrote:
VE I know you picked out of fear. Why?
On April 07 2013 04:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are you referring to?
On April 07 2013 04:50 geript wrote:
Your role.
On April 07 2013 04:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh cool, and you want to out my role to the thread. Neat.
Seriously fuck this game.
He acknowledges that in a sense that I both know his role and that he picked his role out of fear. That leads primarily to VE being the NRA member. Even Gonzaw agreed with me.
QUOTE]On April 08 2013 12:13 gonzaw wrote:
There's a chance Sno or sinani took NRA member...
....goddamn now I feel so much better for not shooting either of them yet :/
The NRA member out of them and VE could claim, although it does seem it's likely VE.
For anyone at 1-5 place taking NRA member....it's weird as fuck if they are town. At that stage you wouldn't take NRA member I think. Oh well, geript did, but geript tried to be townie so it makes sense (neither sinani/Sno/VE tried to be townie, and I'd say OO and rayn don't seem to me like they'd take NRA member either if they are town).
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Think with your head. You're being stupid Moc. This was not a kill to since Gonzaw from continuing on the Artanis train. I have a strong feeling like Artanis is town, I need to reread the cases and points again and his responses, but this kill has nothing to implicate Artanis.
Right now, I need to reread and reevaluate my reads.
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On April 08 2013 13:23 yamato77 wrote:
1) You don't know when the shot was sent.
This point is very valid, we don't know the exact timing of the knifing (it was assassin which uses knives), but it's pretty safe to assume that it was relatively recent. So perhaps it doesn't implicate Artanis or VE as much as thought and is just a 'freebie kill.' If that's the case then why not go for the freebie kill on me? Killing me directly implicates VE as a safe lynch and if VE is town, then it's absolutely amazing for scum as they both don't have to waste night KP on him and they remove a great analyst. Perhaps they want to remove the better player. I still think the kill makes it far more likely that VE is scum than Artanis.
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@Moc Could you explain what you meant by how Artanis defended himself he couldn't remove the mafia mindset?
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On April 08 2013 20:53 Caller wrote:
stop
goznaw got shot
to me logical explanation is simple: artanis is a day vig and from the looks of things is going to be lynched, but he wanted to use his power before he died. That's it.
artanis claims before we lynch him. that's all that needs to be done.
Artanis, claim.
No. That's just dumb. We need to be lynching VE. No reason for him to claim if we are going to lynch him. The sheer level of stupidity in this post is beyond me.
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All known evidence points to VE being NRA. Do you question that because you think someone else might have taken it or because you think I'm lying?
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On April 09 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
@geript why did you choose NRA?
Because I firmly intended to 'hate draft' a role. I wasn't sure if I wanted to go after CPR Doctor, Janitor, Hooker or Vote Rigger. I assumed that at least 2 of those would be picked before me and I didn't trust myself to not use CPR Doctor or Hooker. I felt like I had established my townieness sufficiently so would be an unlikely investigation target from town and am not a person who I expected would be a target of being protected. Thus NRA being a role I initially downgraded seemed far better.
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Unofficial Vote Count:
Visceraeyes (8): Restraining Order, Shelvocke, geript, geript, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster, strongandbig, Artanis[xp], Restraining Order, Shelvocke
Vivax (0): Oatsmaster
Restraining Order (0): Visceraeyes, Vivax
Keirathi (0): Sharrant, Bill Murray
strongandbig (2): Bill Murray, deconduo, Mocsta, Sinani206, Restraining Order
Palmar (0): yamato77
Shelvocke (2): austinmcc, deconduo, Artanis[xp]
raynpelikoneet (0): Keirathi, geript
Artanis[xp] (5): gonzaw, Mocsta, Oatsmaster, Meatpak_Ziphh, Palmar, Shelvocke, ObviousOne, yamato77, Restraining Order, Bill Murray
deconduo (1): Visceraeyes
ObviousOne (2): Caller, Sharrant
Sno_man (1): Vivax
Sinani206 (2): Bill Murray, yamato77, Sno_man
Caller (0): Artanis[xp]
Kurumi I think your vote count is off. Could you double check it please as I think mine is correct?
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AMAZING!!!! Way to go team!!!
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Gonzaw. Great analysis. Sorry I didn't back it further.
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Ok guys, we have 3 more to go. Let's do this.
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Off the top of my head the people I want to look at are: yamato, caller, shelvocke, austinmcc, bill murray, sinani
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On April 09 2013 04:16 Caller wrote:
Visceraeyes: geript, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster, strongandbig, Artanis[xp], Restraining Order, Shelvocke
might be a good place to start
I don't think that this is a terrible suggestion either oddly. I definitely need to reevaluate these reads.
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On April 09 2013 04:22 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 04:19 geript wrote:
Off the top of my head the people I want to look at are: yamato, caller, shelvocke, austinmcc, bill murray, sinani Caller?
Right, Emperor. Duh. I should probably think more. Removing Caller from that list is a good idea.
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It was a reaction off the top of my head. I forgot about the last second Caller stuff.
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Artanis calling Vivax confirmed town is 100% WIFOM and can be disregarded wholly. I don't mind people looking at him, but he's not at the top of my list to look at.
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Caller, are you claiming Emperor or Showtime? We need to know for certain.
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First off, I don't think there's an Emperor. If there were I imagine that we would be notified of a double noose. He wouldn't select VE due to NRA stuff although he could've selected Artanis. Second, I think that there's a vote rigger in play and likely chosen in the top 4 as the top 2 leading candidates were lynched. So if there is a Vote Rigger, they need to claim now period.
1. Would the town be informed of a double lynch when the Emperor uses his power?
2. Is the vote count Kurumi provided correct in that Caller was given 2 votes?
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I'm open to the possibility of a Town Vote Rigger, but scum vote rigger is far, far more likely IMO.
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On April 09 2013 04:47 yamato77 wrote:
Look at how Shelvocke came in and unvoted Artanis
Does that seem natural to you as a town player?
U scum bro?
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Yes, Scum could still have a vote rigger because the vote ended prematurely. They couldn't know that. Just a heads up.
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