EPTGonna clear my head for a few hours and be productive, then come back and be more active. Please think about whether mass claiming (probably from the bottom up, in an orderly manner, so as to make it more risky to fakeclaim for scum) makes sense to you and whether there are downsides that I'm not seeing.
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Gonna clear my head for a few hours and be productive, then come back and be more active. Please think about whether mass claiming (probably from the bottom up, in an orderly manner, so as to make it more risky to fakeclaim for scum) makes sense to you and whether there are downsides that I'm not seeing. | ||
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On April 10 2013 23:23 Mocsta wrote: Sorry Austin. Im not against "hard to reads" claiming. Or if the information is useful (e.g. Kei -> checked Austin) But I am not planning to claim. I think my actions should make me probably town for most, if not all. Hence: My role *may* or *may not* have more to offer. I prefer to keep scum on their toes with that. This is true of the VAST majority of roles. Most of the benefit to claiming is to force claims/fake claims early, to be able to potentially catch people in that way, to potentially be able to confirm certain players based on roles and whatnot, and also to coordinate actions. At this point it's a very large group against a small one, checking different targets, protecting valuable targets, etc., has some value. | ||
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On April 10 2013 23:38 Mocsta wrote: I'm going to.Well, according to BC. Your dead in 36hr. You might as well claim? But in general, because of the way picking works and what I remember about other PYP games, you want claiming to be from the bottom up. That way any player who wants to try and fakeclaim takes a big risk - if player 20 claims role x and player 10 claims role x, one is lying. You can't be SAFE fake claiming, because someone may actually have that role above you. Adding more risk to fake claiming, forcing more truth = good. If I claim my role right now, scum know not to fakeclaim that role if they're below me. So yeah, you'll get a claim from me today, either on its own or as part of an overall scheme, but if we're going to massclaim, doing so in an organized manner is best. | ||
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I think my new plan for big games is to stop trying to have scumreads because this is two games in a row I've just been bass-ackward, and start cat herding. | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote: To be fair, my "scumreads" in Personality 2 were also bass-ackwards, but that was on purpose. So we can make it my last 3 games if you want You were scum in personality 2. Was that not your last big game? Also claim please  But my last town game was LIX where I legitimately just did everything wrong, and despite trying not to do so here today, most of the reads I focused on were wrong (assuming that shelvocke is town by association, which seems likely except I still hate the fact that someone who felt it necessary to smurf is doing jack all and so the only things that make him look town are scum actions, not his own, imo). If nobody has major qualms about claiming or can see ways in which this can go Seriously Wrong™, then we will claim and whatnot. But we have a full cycle. It seems more valuable to scumhunt normally, to make people hunt/look like they're hunting/get cool new thoughts into thread, and THEN claim, and then use BOTH to make our lynch decisions today. If we claim early in the cycle, then the cycle becomes only about claiming, and scum can't hide in claiming but can hide in the discussion. I actually only wanted to see if anyone could think of serious downsides, because I haven't found any, and I think it solidifies the advantage we should have going into today/coming out of yesterday. But I'm starting to realize it can warp discussion/scumhunting, and so may be better to put off. All that is to say I need to shutup and scumhunt, but I don't seem to be able to resist the urge to herd. YAH! CATS! YAH! | ||
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On April 11 2013 02:02 geript wrote: Do explain. Yup, still seeing no reason to move my votes. You're voting the guy nuking me AND the guy I'm more-than-hinting I checked last night and got a town result. | ||
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It doesn't matter whether you believe my claim or not, you will see what I am at the end of the day. Since you're going to be able to confirm my claim anyway, why would you lynch someone TODAY based on not believing me, when you can just as easily lynch them tomorrow if I'm lying? | ||
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On April 11 2013 02:42 Vivax wrote: Wut? Austin, did you have weapons of mass destruction after all? | ||
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On April 11 2013 05:09 Sn0_Man wrote: We know that SOMEONE took the justice vigi role, or yamato is lying and taking a sizeable risk, given that he's got to claim early.Hmm, so anybody with a Role (no alignment necessary) check may wish to use it on BM tonight for confirmation. (Justice vig = town, not JV = scum) Beyond that, it's possible he got his role stolen by the guy who prevents use the night he steals, but BM was like 20th pick so no thief in their right mind targets him. Plus I thought BM would be informed of this and would share it  .BM probably not a good check based on that, plus, justice vigi is a role that confirms himself. Janitor is gone, so either a mafia member dies EVERY night phase, or the justice vigi dies. If you don't see either of those things happen, there is no justice vigi, and yamato is lying and gets lynched. Because the role is compulsive and has a confirmable outcome, there's no need to check whoever claims it. The claim gets verified by the flips in the case of that role. | ||
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He's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the list of folks to look at though. | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:32 Vivax wrote: Scum has a tough time hiding in PYP games because of how number/role picking works. I don't really see the purpose in claiming could you enlighten me again? They can only fakeclaim roles from the OP IF they fakeclaim a role that someone else has, then they're screwed IF they fakeclaim VT, they still have to claim what they picked, meaning still can be screwed So. They can get tripped up trying to fakeclaim, and can find scum just based on who picked when. It also informs any protective roles where they need to be, where checks need to go. The OP has some roles that are designed to disincentivize claims - Assassin, BloodyCobbler, the thief/role swapper roles. However, the assassin is dead, and BC is two-shot PLUS can't claim BC if scum (at this point, silent day kills = BC and so we'll know what's up), and the thief/role swapper can't do anything until night + have trouble not claiming. Blah blah blah. We also know that SOME roles are likely to be town. Whoever caused the double lynch yesterday, almost certainly town. Anyone who took justice vigi, almost certainly town. So claiming may well net some confirmed townies, some very likely townies, and quite possibly catches scum or at the very least narrows down their options. Seeing as they've lost 2-? members, AND one of the role-claim deterrents, it's a good way to force them to claim or be potentially caught, and you can watch for what actions people take later in the game. | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:41 Vivax wrote: If you fakeclaim cop, and nobody above you claims cop, then you're in trouble.What if I fakeclaim, oh look I tried to pick cop it wasn't available sowwy I'm just a VT. Nothing going to change if I claim. Scum can lie, and it doesn't make anyone town. I'd rather show I'm town through my actions, not help scum choose their NK targets. That's why we're going bottom up, scum CAN'T just fakeclaim and be sure they're good, without giving up multiple members. And even if you do fakeclaim, a number of townies will look good based on what they claim, and so you'll still be in a pile of questionables on a day where there are multiple lynches available. | ||
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It's not the world's worst idea, but people seem to like blasting off their KP. | ||
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On April 11 2013 10:33 geript wrote: Nope. This is not the question. Knock it off. The real question is why has Sn0 been against every pro-town plan since the beginning and attacking the only confirmed townie the whole game? If you want to build a case on sn0, go do it. Co-opt my case. Whatever. But, despite him being a big scumread of mine yesterday, I'm pretty much convinced he's town today. You can assume that some sort of terrible nasty plan is in motion here, but I'm pretty damn paranoid and I have reason to believe that there is, in fact, NOT some sort of terrible nasty plan in motion as regards sn0_man. Sorry, look elsewhere. | ||
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On April 11 2013 20:09 Bill Murray wrote: I'm alive. Just haven't made the time for this that I should have.is austin alive? We could very much use your claim. You and a couple others are at the bottom of the order for unclaimed folks. At the very least, you've soft-claimed justice vig so hard that if you're anything else, it's pretty likely you end up getting lynched if the flips don't support a justice vig being in the mix. Moreover, yamato has claimed VT who tried to pick justice vig, so if claims say we DON'T have one, then we've got a liar. Worthwhile to play along with the claims imo, and actually get them moving forward today. | ||
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On April 11 2013 21:50 Vivax wrote: Hopefully, we get to that. But we should still be moving bottom-up.Are you actually America or Russia? | ||
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