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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 00:25 GMT
#887
On phone. Artanis can you explain what you find so scummy about my filter if it is not just the quotes you posted in your mini case?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 01:16 GMT
#915
First off, VE I like what you posted and will look into it further, but there's something very off-putting about it. I can't place a finger on it yet.

@Artanis I think you are reading my first post wrong. You phrase it as:
On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie.

Oh and I think you're pretty townie.

It's more of:
On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie. Can you please confirm your 'you townieness'?

As for the last phrase:
On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
As for your posting, I really like it.

It was a direct response to:
On April 05 2013 13:00 Mocsta wrote:
This is really surprising to me. I thought I have made a good effort to consolidate my posts, and be meaningul?

Which I talked with him behind the scenes during The Game about. It is not how you read it as, "I like what you've posted."

As for the second point regarding investigation/protection roles, I think you're just projecting your values onto mine. I don't value investigation roles highly. In my experience they often come up biting someone in the ass or are used poorly. They also don't foster good town play IMO. I would much rather play for the 'block' and prevent scum from getting KP roles since their inherent KP is low in this game. As for protection roles, there are roles which can make such a huge disadvantage (including Hooker and Ackbar) and there's the added fact that you have to guess right. I'd much rather players counter draft and not use KP in order to extend the game than go for protection roles and hope to guess right as guessing right is much harder in a 20+ person game.

I cannot fully explain why I think Mocsta is town from that post. It is more a gut read one which I trust rather implicitly. If you don't like it then feel free to pressure me just not at the exclusion of other players.

As for the supposed scumslip, I would argue that most 'scum slips' are anything but. More often they are players trying to jump on a player for something that the feel is off. There is nothing wrong in what I said either. It is odd that a player who often puts himself at the forefront (VE) was so quiet in the pregame.

As a sidenote, Mocsta is right. I don't deserve the 'kid gloves' that I received last game. I definitely used it to my advantage last game when I was scum. Since you aren't familiar with my meta, as town I tend to shove myself into the spotlight rather than avoid it.

As to Mocsta's point about me taking a quote from VE from The Game to 'soft defend' a player then attack VE, it's irrelevant. I value many players' opinions about the game. I can spout many points from memory regarding various topics. The fact that VE made the point a good point last game then I pressured VE has no correlation. I am attempting to get the reads I feel capable of making at this point.

Now for rereading...

geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 01:22 GMT
#920
One last thing... @Mocsta. IIRC you and Oats have history. You've gotten into it in both the Nomination and Hydra games(as well as a few newbie games AFAIK). Can you tell me what you think of Oats currently? I have no experience with him and would like your insight.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 01:23 GMT
#922
Also, would someone familiar with Caller's meta tell me about him?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 01:24 GMT
#924
On April 06 2013 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And you acuse ME of convenient excuses. Hang.

Huh. You both should hang.[/QUOTE]
Care to explain?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 01:25 GMT
#927
EWBOP or whatever the acronym is. Quote failure... Doh!
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 02:39 GMT
#968
Deconduo... do you have any actually important opinions?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 03:04 GMT
#986
VE I want to say that I am far more suspicious of you right now. Care to explain yourself in a way that I can understand you and no one else can?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 03:39 GMT
#998
I have to sleep soon, in case day strikes before I'm able to get back and weird shit happens, please take a very strong look at those in the top 5, specifically VE.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 03:41 GMT
#1000
On April 06 2013 12:41 Bill Murray wrote:
geript why did you change your numbers?

I never changed my numbers. I just wasn't serious about picking 1,1.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 03:43 GMT
#1003
And wasn't Rayn supposed to send in 1,1? Why are the numbers I sent in important? Why do you think VE is town?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 03:45 GMT
#1007
He couldn't be picking not first if he sent in 1,1. Like I asked, why do you think VE is town?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 03:48 GMT
#1010
Yup, you're just a distraction and now scum #2 on my list.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 04:06 GMT
#1015
No, VE is my top scum read.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 04:37 GMT
#1024
I figured out why I don't like the case on RestrainingOrder at all. In The Game, I got to watch both Bugs and Kita push absolute bullshit towards town's direct. It was well crafted bullshit, but bullshit none the less. VE's case is an exact example of this type of thing for a few reasons:
1. The townread/lynch stuff + Show Spoiler +
On April 06 2013 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
So RO wants to lynch inside [Caller, Palmar, Decon, VE, Kierathi, Artanis, austin, OO, Vivax, sn0] before D1 starts. That's cool I guess, but some of those names sound familiar. Where have I seen those names before?
...
Oh that's right. In that OTHER post where he made a list and said "4/5 are townies", he wants to lynch 3/5 of them.

This is the exact type of thing that we as scum would jump on. Any little thing that we could catch where town fucked up, changed reads, etc. It's perfect to attack because it seems so simple and plausible. Town in general are not going to be filtering themselves constantly to see their positions, know where they stood on exact people, etc. Whereas as scum, we were quite often referencing ourselves to see what stances were plausible for us to take. I can't wholly ignore the possibility that RO may just be lazy scum, hell he lurked most of LX until his teammate shot him. However, it's stupid to think that this early on that scum would make a slip this big. It's far more likely to be bad/stupid town. This isn't particularly scummy.

2. Posting a list of who picked what is non-alignment indicative. While one could argue that it's an easy way to appear to be contributing while doing nothing, it's ridiculous to say that he's scum because of it.

3. RO is a great opportunity for a mislynch. If you read the thread up to this point, VE isn't the first and likely won't be the last to suspect RO. IIRC Rayn, Gonzaw and someone else already expressed thoughts that they were suspicious of RO. He hasn't shown a great deal of activity. His posts haven't established him either way. This is an easy lynch to push just like the Greymist lynch was an easy one to push.

4. More on this later.

5. Look at this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea.

What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size).

What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP.

Does this post actually tell you anything? No. A few people had even espoused this point. The important thing to look at in this post is how many question marks there are. In my experience, VE is far more decisive. This looks like he's trying to blandly +1 but do so in such a minor way to both allow KP roles to use it (and lynch them for it) as well not dissuade anyone from actually firing.

6. + Show Spoiler +
On April 06 2013 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Frankly rather than just be hard-defended Bill, I'd like to hear rayn's reasoning for thinking I'm scum. You know...so I can maybe get a read on rayn? Like, I appreciate the vote of confidence and everything, but I get the heebiejeebies when people hard defend me like they're already CERTAIN I'm town. :/

How ARE you certain I'm town by the way?

This is an exceptionally soft push towards BM. Blazinghand pulled the exact same bullshit on "knowing" GoodKarma was town based on "meta" in The Game. Pulling that type of shit is suspicious at least. Artanis has been calling me out for similar things regarding Mocsta. VE decides to apply no pressure to BM at all and instead wants to pressure Rayn for thinking that VE's scum. What did VE do to SloOsh and Mocsta in Nomination Mafia? Flip their cases on him against them in order to either win them to his side and get them lynched. Same shit, new game.

VE is SCUM
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 04:49 GMT
#1027
Scumhunters Assistants Team
Are you new? Do you have weak reads? Are you not confident in your scum reads? Do I ever have the solution for you. Join the Scumhunters Assistants Team.
Requirements:
1. For Days 1 and 2, 8-12 hours prior to each lynch you need to identify 2-3 people who you consider to be vets who you have a town read on. You need to give a few short reasons why you feel they are town. Additionally, you need to analyze who they've been pressuring and post who is your favorite (and second favorite) lynch and why.
2. For Days 1 and 2, you are expected to be sheeping one of your 2-3 vets that you have identified. There's nothing wrong with sheeping; hell, even DrHelvetica admitted to sheeping in the Beta podcast. The expectation is that you fulfill requirement 1 prior to sheeping however.
3. You need to not play to be a hero. Don't fire guns. Don't launch Nukes. Don't play to be a hero until LYLO/MYLO -1. Free reign then and not before. Odds of missing is too great. When you fire, you also need to be taking credit for said shot.
4. You are required to read dead townies filters. While some of it is WIFOM, it is important to read each dead player's filter to know who they suspected throughout the game and why. This is valuable information that will go to waste and can directly help determine who you should be lynching during the endgame if we get there.
5. You are to use your vote wisely. Think before you post and think before you vote. Your vote is your life, be willing to stake your life on it.
6. You still need to try to pressure players as best as you are capable. While you may not be asking the 'right' questions or applying pressure the best, you 'wading into' the thread with others will help other players establish both a read on you and on the people you are interacting with.
7. You need to try and produce at least a half page of filter per cycle. This will help other players get a better read on you. Don't post just to post.

Anyone who is willing to hold themselves (and other members) accountable for said requirements will be pre-accepted. You only need to ##Join SAT

With that, I'll take the lead.
##Join SAT
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 05:02 GMT
#1033
On April 06 2013 13:55 Keirathi wrote:
Yo, broski. How do you know that RO is town?

I don't know if he's town or not. I'm saying that from the looks of thread sentiment he looks like a great potential mislynch.

On April 06 2013 13:52 ObviousOne wrote:
... not sure what to make of this but way to leave yourself open to accusations of a scum slip. Wow that's really bad looking.

I played Scum in The Game. That was the clear reference. Have you not been paying attention?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 05:05 GMT
#1037
Most of my games have been not at TL as I've only played 4 games here; 11 were on two other sites. I have a townread on Mocsta and Yamato. I think it's a weak case, but one based in having no familiarity with me and more likely to come from town.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 05:07 GMT
#1038
On April 06 2013 14:05 ObviousOne wrote:
I didn't read most of The Game (I did read some of it, first couple days I guess?) and I honestly don't care to at the moment, but I didn't call you scum for that, I just pointed out an opportunity you left open. That actually speaks well to you that you don't feel self-conscious about saying it.

Please clarify the opportunity I left open. I'm not sure what you're saying here.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 06 2013 07:21 GMT
#1046
Mocsta, what do you think of my points on VE?
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