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On April 05 2013 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: RO is failing to contribute to anything at all. See his filter. No more need to be said. Good kill on D1/N1. I still dont follow. What has there been to contribute? We have been talking about plans; just because someone disagrees with you, does not make them scum. I think this is clutching at straws, and is providing preferential treatment. RO duly pointed out others that also did not agree with the plan; yet you seem to be singling him out specifically. If you want traction: I am going to need more than "failing to contribute". Otherwise, this looks like a weak attempt to "scum hunt" - which can indeed be construed as scummy. In short, all I am asking for is: Why are ROs actions specifically scummy, and can not be a townie that shares a different mindset to that of yourself? To answer: read his filter.. is not an appropriate answer, because I already disagree with you.. you're meant to be trying to convince me...show me what you see | ||
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There are many uncertainties in that list (as in barely any filter to even attempt to make a read) e.g. Sinani/VE/OO etc This kinda throws out any coordination attempts. My suggestion is to just choose what you think is beneficial. And if town in the top 5, perhaps have a crack at removing janitor etc from play. Best of luck, may scum be vanilla  | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:09 yamato77 wrote: I went 11,11 wtf how am I bottom BM musta chose 11,11 too | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: RO is failing to contribute to the plans provided pre-picking phase by " lolololollllll, i sent my numbers, can't change, fu all,, i don't need to do shit.." Kill him. Did you read what I wrote? Geript asked before what I thought of you prior. The longer you cast out scum suspicion like this.. the quicker my read of you is dropping and the quicker I am getting concerned that you are high up on the draft list. I asked you to explain why RO specifically is acting scummy, and can not be a townie who disagrees with you. I have yet to receive a valid answer Fact: i submitted my #'s yesterday as well; and was not a supporter of the plans. Did you miss my commentary with yamato yesterday? Just because I was willing to discuss plans in detail, and RO hasnt been as much.. does not make either of us town or scum. This whole phase is foreplay; and the action to discuss is itself alignment null. Im still not clear why you cast RO as scum for this action; yet leave others alone. | ||
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gonzaw Austinmcc Keirathi Palmar Mocsta On April 05 2013 11:15 Restraining Order wrote: These 5 players picked [8] as their first numbers. This means, at least 4 of those 5 are town. I know Im town, even though my [8] was RNG. So; yam finds palmar suspicious I find austinmcc suspicious Who in that list is your "?certain?' scum read. | ||
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Wow, we are not on the same page at all. | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: BLARFFFFFFF::::: RO is using "i do what i want to" as an "evidence" to not contribute. How has he contributed at all? Show me. I personally dont value pre-draft contribution as highly as you do. Perhaps that is the crux of our differences. Let me re-direct your attention to Sinani. This gentlment is in the top 5 for the draft; yet this is essentially his sole contribution On April 05 2013 02:50 sinani206 wrote: The real problem with all of these plans is that the entire town has to cooperate. As we can see (Caller), not everyone is willing to do that. I've sent in numbers that agree with rayn's system, but I really don't think that it's going to help town any more than randomly picking numbers. I sincerely hope this person is not on your radar; JUST because he "sent in numbers that agree with rayn's system" Because, if he actually did; he wouldnt be in the top 5 would he.... | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Interested in finding out too. This is pissing me off. You are piss-farting around and shitting up the thread with your baseless accusations. And now I notice that you are playing in two games both in Day 1. I hope you start taking this game seriously; because a sole contribution as a "plan" is hardly alignment indicative. My eye is officially on you now. | ||
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Im not going to bother posting anymore till the game starts due to the below. On April 05 2013 11:13 Mocsta wrote: Anyways, looking at the top 5 to 10 ppl. There are many uncertainties in that list (as in barely any filter to even attempt to make a read) e.g. Sinani/VE/OO etc This kinda throws out any coordination attempts. My suggestion is to just choose what you think is beneficial. And if town in the top 5, perhaps have a crack at removing janitor etc from play. Best of luck, may scum be vanilla In short: there is too much uncertainty - in particular with Rayn who has gone off the rails since achieving what he desired. In fact: since the draft was released, Rayn hasnt seem to give a fuck about coordinating any plan; he just wants RO gone. Think about that town. See you in 24hrs. | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: M_Z: He is non- committal, that makes me think he might be scum. Nice regress. | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: What, you tell then who ABSOLUTELY are scum ?? You. On April 05 2013 10:25 geript wrote: Mocsta I'm not getting a good feeling about Rayn. Any thoughts about him? Also, you know Oats better than I do. How do you feel about him? On April 05 2013 10:42 Mocsta wrote: Rayn: I dont have a firm opinion. I think coming up with a plan, and sticking with it: is alignment null. Im still assessing how he is going about pushing his agenda - which is alignment indicative. To answer your question in short: If i had a gun to my head i would say: weak town (subject to change) On April 05 2013 11:54 Mocsta wrote: *<To Rayn>* You are piss-farting around and shitting up the thread with your baseless accusations. And now I notice that you are playing in two games both in Day 1. I hope you start taking this game seriously; because a sole contribution as a "plan" is hardly alignment indicative. My eye is officially on you now. On April 05 2013 12:19 Mocsta wrote: In short: there is too much uncertainty - in particular with Rayn who has gone off the rails since achieving what he desired. In fact: since the draft was released, Rayn hasnt seem to give a fuck about coordinating any plan; he just wants RO gone. Your play in short: Classic mafia. You are trying to cast RO as scum, because he didnt push a plan. The corollary is that you consider yourself super pro-town because you did push a plan. Great.. but what have you done since the draft order was released? Absolutely nothing but shit the thread. You have not followed through with your plan, now that you received your prize. And you did not berate any "weak reads" for being up there on the list and not endorsing your plan. Your actions may be generic pro-town; but your motives are clearly not in towns favour. You sir, are scum. | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:30 gonzaw wrote: Rayn, even if RO is scum, you'd be making it easier for him to "hide" by....doing whatever the hell you are doing. Fact: You have 5% justified reasons for thinking RO is scum. Nobody agrees with you Fact: The more you tunnel him, the more you antagonize others, and the more everybody will start defending RO to react against you. Therefore if RO is scum, the more you do whatever you do, the more people will keep ignoring his scummyness and focus on defending him to counter your unjustified tunnel So yes, hear my advice (just filter me if it's too much work to search it), and take a step back, you are not doing anybody any favours. Hell, even if you are scum you are not doing your scumteam any favours by being so "obvious". Im thinking this nincompoop thinks he established enough town cred to push a weak case. I have seen stupid townies do what rayn is doing (i.e push a tunneled case); but my problem extends that he dropped his plan altogether once he achieved a top 5 draft pick. | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta tell me who has done anything productive after draft order? There were only 2 major plan pushers pre-draft. You and yamato. Everyone else was contributiing to *your* plan yamato is so far down the draft; you become the de facto person that pushed a plan - that could achieve something post-draft. The first part of your plan was giving 5 ppl a top 5 ranking in the draft. *YOU* were in the top 5 list. On April 05 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Combine Vivax' + Geript's ideas and let these guys pick [1][1], [2][1], [3][1], [4][1], [5][1] (everyone else picks [6->] [X]): raynpelikoneet - 3 Geript - 6 yamato - last Mocsta - middle Sharrant - middle So even though Geript has been present post-draft, and was a key part of your original plan. You made ZERO effort to consolidate the plan with him. Interesting is it not? Lemme guess; Geript thought you might be scum, so you cant work with him. So if that is the case. Why aren't you trying to develop a rapore with: Sn0_Man, ObviousOne, VisceraEyes or Sinani. Your actions simply do not make sense from a town point of view. You got your cake - the top 5 pick - and now proceed to ditch *your* whole plan away. Yes, gonzaw has a point; "why go to an effort to look pro-town & then proceed to chuck it away" and do a complete attitude 180. I have no strong answer for that, as it all points to WIFOM. Regardless, I have seen both town and scum do stupid things. So his WIFOM has not swayed me away from you. | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:51 gonzaw wrote: I wouldn't call what he did trolling. I agree with some stuff he's saying, for instance Artanis does seem to be flying under the radar. Either he's making sense as town and being playful in his own way....or I'll need more time to figure him out as scum. Both of those make me give little attention to him, in the mafia-seeking ways I dont get how Artanis has floated under the radar. The guy made an effort to at least three times bring his RNG idea back to the fore. Not only that, but when someone criticises the idea due to "accountability" he takes it on the chin, and appears to go back to the drawing board. That doesnt make the guy town; but make the heuristic for him being scum - void. | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:59 geript wrote: Mocsta can you please say something Mocsta-ish so I'll know that you're town please? WTF does this even mean? What have i done that is not town Mocsta-ish? This is really surprising to me. I thought I have made a good effort to consolidate my posts, and be meaningul? | ||
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On April 05 2013 13:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Since when has "heuristic" become such a buzzword around here? Whenever you use that word y'all just sound like you're trying cover up the fact that you don't actually have a point. Regardless I'm going to bed. Whatever. Why do you choose to comment on my choice of word; and not my dispute of whether Artanis is indeed flying under the radar. You threw in early to the thread, that you despise SPAM. Yet I can classify the post I am replying to as nothing other than SPAM. | ||
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On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote: I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully. As for your posting, I really like it. Well I may not exhibit it, whatever it is. Im trying to not get involved in live debates this game; and react on the fly without proof reading. I havent been 100% successful so far, but trying hard none-the-less. Since you are online, can you please comment on Rayn. So far, it seems only Gonzaw has shared insight; and we are of differing opinion. Where do you stand? | ||
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On April 04 2013 21:17 yamato77 wrote: Mr. Yam, just wanted to remind you of this. I agreed pre-draft. BUT...If we do have town reads we trust, and they are picking late in the order, it might be a good idea to use them to check for these roles. Now that we are post-draft; I am not sure how useful this is anymore. Lets say you try and confirm CPR; & we know its in play because you are VT. What then? Its not like you can force a roleclaim If scum is CPR they will deny it. If town is CPR they may deny it. Heck, someone might fake claim it. Perhaps its best to just attempt for an "unpopular' role that you think you can play to its strengths? The # of roles >>> the # of players. | ||
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On April 05 2013 13:29 geript wrote: I think he's feeling overloaded or something similar. There's a point when everyone moved towards focusing on him more than focusing on what he was trying to espouse that he seems to have snapped for lack of a better term and switched into some very different mode. His play looks different from NMM39 when he was scum but I'm not sure how much that's worth. He doesn't feel like he's got a filter on him so I'm leaning bad town on him. So in short: Regarding Rayn - whilst you acknowledge poor play currently; you do not see scum validity in him going 180 on his plan? Is that correct? | ||
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