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On April 16 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 23:31 Mocsta wrote:On April 16 2013 22:33 Vivax wrote:On April 08 2013 17:37 yamato77 wrote:
The timing is a moot point, because with an AFK host in BC, the shot could have been sent at any point.
I'll give you that it seems like an assassin kill, more than anything else, but you can't know for sure.
You think it gives leverage to pushing your lynch, but that completely depends on general thread sentiment. What do you think was more likely, considering he was the most active person in pushing your lynch and was also fairly rigid in his belief? Do you think the wagon falling apart and town losing direction was more likely, or do you think me coming in and reaffirming the strength of the lynch is more likely? I have openly admitted that I was content not taking the lead, so why would mafia think that at all?
To some extent, this is WIFOM on the kill, yes, but I'm fairly certain that keeping the lynch headed your way is a good thing. Mafia wanted to lead town astray by killing Gonzaw, but I'm not going to let it happen. On April 08 2013 17:18 yamato77 wrote:
Any of Artanis/VE/Sinani will do as a lynch today, but gonzaw being shot does lend a certain weight to the Artanis lynch that I like. On April 08 2013 17:50 yamato77 wrote:
Fine, let's talk about something else.
What's your read on Sinani? On April 08 2013 18:06 yamato77 wrote:
So aside from Sinani, who else would you lynch today?
Has anything changed from earlier, with Shelvocke and VE being on your radar? On April 08 2013 18:11 yamato77 wrote:
Well, aside from Rayn, it's rather unsettling how much you seem to agree with me.
I may want to take this lynch in a different direction, and Sinani seems like a good one.
BRB, case. On April 08 2013 18:13 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2013 06:46 sinani206 wrote:
gonzaw are you going to claim exactly what your role is? This post alone is enough for me, actually. ##Vote Sinani On April 09 2013 04:47 yamato77 wrote:
Look at how Shelvocke came in and unvoted Artanis
Does that seem natural to you as a town player? You do the same stuff you mention against Shelvocke: After mentioning both Artanis and VE as scumread, saying that gonzaw's death gave more weight to artanis, you chose to go after sinani. You weakly bussed your teammates while going for another player, and you didn't have time to switch back to one of them, nor did it make sense for you to do that. Is Shelvocke Vanilla?In that case, he's a traitor with a green check, sinani is confirmed for having a role AND has a green check. ##Unvote sinani206
##Vote Shelvocke I get this process look terrible for yamato.. i hated it at the time, and still hate it. But.. why are you treating shelvocke as traitor? EVEN *if* he was traitor.. how do you jump to the conclusion taht scum already figured out he was traitor, and pm the host? We don't know if they figured it out, he still wins with scum even if they didn't, they just can't communicate. Traitor is actually a smart pick, 6 scum is pretty strong, and them not giving up is other evidence that they think they have a good position. He's vanilla, and has not been playing pro-town, he has been green-checked and not been doing much at all since then.
Some would say the same for you.
Im OK with Shelvocke as a double lynch.. but not as a primary (but i suspect we alraedy had the saem conclusion)
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On April 16 2013 23:42 yamato77 wrote:
Also, you're right, I don't care.
Arguing with you this game has been the most unfun experience ever.
See ya later then.
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I refuse to believe
you gave a shit about hydra, purely because you had a nuke
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a town yam, would have shat all over my idea about BM and his WIFOM list post.
its ok.. scum yam gives up.
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On April 16 2013 23:38 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 09:17 Bill Murray wrote:
I want to pick a defensive role, since mafia are unlikely to pick them, but if I overlap with someone, I'll be a townie ;/ Yam.. This quote seriously looks bad for you.... Who overlapped Justice Vigi with BM, and thus was treated as confirmed town for multiple cycles... BM.. This quote is NOT a random coincidence. Bm doesn't give a shit on anyone this game. But decides to check in when someone is suspicious of yam...
Hunny
your bm stuff means nothing.. as per the above.
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Lol geript now.
anyone else name you want to chuck in?
might as well add dandel too pls
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On April 17 2013 00:01 yamato77 wrote:
Think logically for a second and realize that all of the things you accuse me of, geript is even more guilty of.
BM has quotes about Geript that relate to having someone else choose JV to make him look towny?
Did i miss something in the filter?
BM asks why someone thinks Geript is scum?
Did I miss something in the filter?
Geript is asking for pity CONSTANTLY
Did I miss something in his filter?
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Oats, i wouldnt vote vivax today.
My money is on yam
and if a traitor exists... its geript or Shelvocke. for shits n giggles. i would just do geript/yam
this cycle
and if that doesnt end game.. then shelvocke next
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Lol.. yeah.. you know
you doing the EXACT same thigns syllo was doing when you nuked him
C ya later yam
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Lol oats
you so fucking town, if we are on the same page @ the same time.
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i cant remember if yamato has been mislynched.
but i never thought it would go down this limply if it was the case.
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make that two then.
i love it when someone responds to easy shit like that
and doestn addres any real points; or provides a viable alternative that isnt thread sentiment.
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On April 17 2013 00:46 Mocsta wrote:
##Unvote
##Unvote
##Vote: Yamato77
##Vote: Geript
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i can throw shelvocke instead of geript
if you notice.. i said.. geript for funsies
i knew he would get his knickers in a twist hahah
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this game is essentially over
yam has crawled away like the scum he is.
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Anywho.
when vivax/oats/geript been voted.. they act like bitches to avoid a lynch
yam just throws ad-hom, and asks for pity
shelv is just non-existant, so yeah. happy witht hat
i STILL want to know why sinani activated double lynch but
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##Unvote: Geript
##Vote: Shelvocke
There you go knickers-ript
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RO,
cos its like he doesnt pay attention to the game at all; i just would have thought he would give us notice
because witht eh vote rig.. he made it clear he wouldnt just do what we requested.
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Well.
I re read the yam exchanges this morning, and changed my mind
Turned out the thread came to the same conclusion.
Whilst I'm still finding yam useless, his posts last night seem genuine. I have been demotivated several times end game.. And his posts completely brought me back to that mindset.
So vivax is definitely getting lynched. No point recommenting on all ready good points. Best quote by far is the one I highlighted previously as well.
The oo, IS vivax comrade in arms or comrade at war.
So for second lynch, it is between oats and shelvocke.
Pros Shevlocke
Confirmed vt as said
Cons Shevlocke
Showtime whilst picked by town.. Already was thread knowledge
Has done nothing all game.... Which is prob a null tell as iirc his votes were on the right people.
Pro oats
Stupid posts as usual
Recruiting mason is a weak Mafia role
Provided opposition to bm wifom list
Cons oats
Really disruptive this game
The pro/cons aren't necessarily scum/town tells.
I'm in agreeance.
##unvote:yamato77
##unvote: ?Shevlocke?
##vote: vivax
##vote:shelvocke
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On April 17 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:Other stuff, regarding OO and yamato Earlier information by me, here: + Show Spoiler +On April 12 2013 03:38 yamato77 wrote:
LET'S LYNCH MEAPAK On April 12 2013 03:42 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:41 Keirathi wrote:On April 12 2013 03:38 yamato77 wrote:
LET'S LYNCH MEAPAK No. YES On April 12 2013 03:54 yamato77 wrote:OO I have my vote on. Most of Sharrant comes across as very "clean" and thought out, but I'm not going to call him scum for that, because it doesn't seem like a strong heuristic. He could very well be town, but the fact that he defended Artanis AND VE is not a good thing. Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:40 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning, everyone.
I'm glad to see I was wrong about Artanis and VisceraEyes.
I'll be writing up a longer post in a minute but I wanted to ask two questions first:
If the role reverser were used on a justice vigi when they shot a mafia member, what would be the end result? Would both/either player live through the shot?
If the role reverser used his power on the janitor when the janitor did not use his power, would it activate or would the role reverser fizzle out because no action was taken by the janitor? Do people actually say that kind of shit when they're wrong? It seems unnaturally complacent with this "pro-town" ideal he has going on in ihis filter. Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 00:18 Sharrant wrote:
I'm not particularly happy with any other lynch right now. I'd like to lynch StrongAndBig as things currently stand. Even his lynch has too many "what ifs" in my mind, but that's the lynch I'm most confident in, unless someone has proof that BM is not JusticeVigi.
I agree with the plan to claim from the bottom up, I'm just waiting until we get up to me. I'll do my best to check in on the thread throughout the day, because I don't want to slow the claims down. It seems to likely to me that scum don't have BC, but there's still the possibility that they do.
My votes will be on StrongAndBig, and my second vote will be on Austin. If someone has an anti-nuke to save him, I'll likely move my vote. This is the only other thing that makes me want to lynch him. Sorry, but here's another thing that is similar to what you did with Artanis and VE. You shout someone is scum while softbussing scum. You post like crazy that MZ is scum, then shortly affirm in your next post that your vote is on OO like it's some sort of justification for people telling you that MZ isn't a viable lynch for that day. You posted that last quote where you were voting for someone you thought might be scum more likely than the read you were pushing (MZ) as answer to this from austin: What has sharrant or shelvocke done that makes them less likely mafia than MZ? OO? Mocsta? geript? There are a boatload of players who have done very little today, almost ALL of us have done very little of consequence.
You are tunneled in on these little weird things and need to expand your view. You want or wanted to kill BM, despite claiming that you picked justice vigi and didn't get it. He seems like the only person who fits the bill, and that means that, if he's town, he's shooting at mafia, and if he's mafia, he's shooting at mafia or dying. If he's actually justice vigi, that is ACTUALLY the worst possible lynch you could come up with. So...quit being tunneled in. It hasn't served you particularly well in some recent games, and right now it's not doing you any good.
Of which, out of all of them, you picked OO to put your vote on, while in a post shortly after you say this, except for geript these are the guys austin wondered about regarding you not wanting to lynch them: On April 12 2013 04:03 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:58 yamato77 wrote:On April 12 2013 03:51 austinmcc wrote:On April 12 2013 03:45 yamato77 wrote:On April 12 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
If meapak were mafia he could have nuked D1 and didn't.
If meapak DOES have a silent nuke, it would have KILLED SOMEONE. Therefore, IF he had a silent nuke and used it, he killed either artanis or VE (the only people to die at the end of the day). They both flipped mafia. So IF there's a scary ol' silent nuke, it means he used it to kill mafia...
I don't terribly have a problem with someone thinking I was scum at the start of D2. I don't love my play up until that point, and could see nuking me if I were someone else. I don't find his play super anti-town in terms of nuke use except that he didn't check the thread a final time before posting what he'd been writing up. What's he done today? Seriously, the dude is LAZY MAFIA. I've been saying it all game, and he's done absolutely fucking nothing. Here's the thing. Maybe he's lazy mafia. If he's mafia, he voluntarily just didn't shoot D1. That seems like a poor choice. That's something that I would flag as saying, "Hey...hold up. This guy looks like he might be mafia, but he used his role in an odd manner for someone who is mafia." I would second guess my read on him. Then I would go, "Wait a minute, snb claimed a cop check on MZ." If snb is lying, he's taking a risk that there are no other whatever-cops above him on the chart. A small risk, but a risk. And maybe MZ is a gf, that's a possibility. But again, it's SOME/SLIGHT/DECENT evidence that MZ might not be mafia. Then, there are a couple other players with LESS in their favor, imo. What has sharrant or shelvocke done that makes them less likely mafia than MZ? OO? Mocsta? geript? There are a boatload of players who have done very little today, almost ALL of us have done very little of consequence. You are tunneled in on these little weird things and need to expand your view. You want or wanted to kill BM, despite claiming that you picked justice vigi and didn't get it. He seems like the only person who fits the bill, and that means that, if he's town, he's shooting at mafia, and if he's mafia, he's shooting at mafia or dying. If he's actually justice vigi, that is ACTUALLY the worst possible lynch you could come up with. So...quit being tunneled in. It hasn't served you particularly well in some recent games, and right now it's not doing you any good. I may appear tunneled, but in reality I'm just trying to work through some of the doubts I have about this game: Mocsta and his shot BM and his refusal to claim Oats' entire play M_Z and the mason circle Sharrant Shelvocke Sinani and the check (GF?) OO Vivax SnB EVERY FLIP FROM NIGHT 1 RO People I'm CONFIDENT that are town: Geript Sn0 Austin Keirathi You can see the discrepancy. Now if I was to take things at face value ( like you guys suggest), then the only people I want to lynch into dwindles: S Sharrant OO If 2/3 or 3/3 of the remaining mafia are among them, then yeah, you guys are obviously on the right track here, but you don't really need me to accomplish hunting them, do you? It's already done; I know they have a chance at being mafia, so I'm trying to pursue opinions on other people to get a more clear picture of the game that isn't "tunneled". This just looks like you were afraid to have your vote on your actual scumread and picked your scumbuddy to drop your vote on while pushing for everything else, in order to have a reason to switch if you managed to convince others. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Next chapter, post-lynch, he starts saying all sorts of inconsistent stuff: On April 12 2013 04:23 yamato77 wrote:
Has anyone considered this possibility?
If BM is telling the truth, and is JV who shot mafia Caller, and Deconduo was actually mafia Janitor, there's only 1/5 mafia left.
Seems possible, no?
Thus, if we lynch mafia and don't win the game, and there's no anti-town third party, one of Mocsta/BM is probably mafia.
That's how I reached that conclusion. On April 12 2013 10:46 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah, just shoot Vivax. On April 12 2013 12:40 yamato77 wrote:
Other potential candidate for last mafia if both Moc and BM are town is Shelvocke.
So yeah, this game is almost solved, assuming there are no more GF flips. On April 13 2013 04:21 yamato77 wrote:
>_>
You guys are making this game more complicated than it should be.
How about we lynch Mocsta, since his shot was not on scum? (Picking Mocsta over BM lol) On April 13 2013 12:39 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote Vivax
Vivax isn't even interested in the game anymore, and is no longer active. He, as town, is spammy as fuck and insane the entire game.
Kill it. Picking me over Shelvocke who he had as scum during lynch-day. More stuff: OO had been afk for a while, then Mocsta made case on OO and voted him. Yamato reacts with this: Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 14:54 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like killing OO.
He has been very uninvolved compared to Red Team's Prize, though. Oats declares that he wants to lynch OO as second in vote row (of valid votes) here, Obvious makes comeback post, and yamato responds to it with this. Yamato slaps down his vote on two? guys, OO and some other dude, here, then comes back later and pulls off the same shit he did with VE and Artanis (being weak busses), he tries to start a bandwagon on another player, MZ here. yeah and that's not scummy by itself.
Everyone has bad games, and that is trepidation in my opinion, as opposed to intentional misdirection.
I think it is town who writes concerns like that bluntly.
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