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On April 06 2013 12:47 Bill Murray wrote:
whatever you're just dumb town after all On April 15 2013 14:40 geript wrote:
FUCK how did I miss this.
Geript, this raises a very very very good point.
Please read
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Why?
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BM isnt stupid; and carefully chose his actions. This is now pretty obvious in the way he carried himself through the game.
Henceforth, its not realistic to expect BM to drop a "dumb town" comment into the mix randomly.
Say What......
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I didnt stutter.
This is an intentional quote thrown in, for Geript to claim if shit hits the fan.
Geript probably is a VT so role check is useless via choosing something in the top 5 (other than NRA).
We all know someone led the save of Artanis. Think about it.. who truly initiated it, cso SnB followed on.
Geript was the guy who saved Artanis; by throwing VE under the bus.
Why not BM? With arguably the lesser role (if you want to resort to WIFOM, we dont know the rules of "injustice vigi") Because the canvas wasn't set for BM to be bussed. Whereas Geript prodded VE from the start
Nah, you tunneled bro
+ Show Spoiler +No im not.
Geript has done fuck all this game. And has been yelling at us to call him confirmed, but no1 ever did.
Some how, this fuck of a player managed to secure VE off a nothing/fuck-all filter.
And magically had the same role as VE too.
This guy has done nothing all game now, except proceed to tunnel Keirathi into oblivion
Guys.. regardless of who dies, and who is checked. Lynch this scum muda farker
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##Vote: Geript
you can concede now
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On April 15 2013 15:26 geript wrote:
Looking at the order of the votes, I feel safe in thinking that RO isn't scum. Based on timing, Mocsta could be scum but honestly I don't see that considering how heavily he pushed Artanis. Shelvocke tends t vote close to scum which I think is far more likely to be from town.
Also, when you look at the the splayed out votes, you can see a trend. Scum tend to be early voters on the non-scum wagons that are forming and late on the scum wagons that have formed. That leaves Keirathi, Yamato and Vivax in the trend.
Awesome summary post of stuff we alerady discussed, just wrapped in a vote count analysis.
We alraedy know RO is confirmed, via the way artanis pushed him.
We already know Mocsta is confirmed, via the way he pushed artanis/VE.
Shelvocke should be confirmed via the way scum pushed him; but has done fuck all.
Sinani should be confimed via the ways cum pushed him; but has done fuck all
Keirathi should be confirmed via the way he has maintained discussion post-night1; but the game is so shit in general, its suspect he is around.
yamato has done fuck all, all game; but not in a way I remember of him as scum. I never remember red team prize. Hes way more active in hydra. and i truly think its a combination of last in the draft // vt role for an outlier choice.
Vivax has done fuck all, all game; the vote on Sn0 day1 is suspicious
Geript has done fuck all, all game; the scored VE right, and thats it. Wnats to immediately be confirmed after that. Very suspicious. As town I want to be confirmed so ppl stop considering me (to make the game easier to solve).. i still try to scum hunt... not getting that here.
Oatsmaster has done fuck all, all game; hes more useless than i remember late game as town.
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2 confirms
2 mild => prob bored VT-equivalent -> sheep
2 maybes => gonna have to treat as town
Out of the three
Vivax/Oats/Geript... who is the most likely to concede
Oats
Hence, Oats shifts into milk group.
We left with scum as Vivax or Geript.
I think Vivax woulda resigned because of the # advantage.
This leaves us with Geript as scum who led the bandwagon off Artanis.. and also as the guy who has been pushign confirmed town down our throats because this guy has the INNATE DESIRE to actually end game to the bitter end.
Thats right you heard it here.. Geript is one sadistic fuck.
DIE SCUM!
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On April 15 2013 15:32 geript wrote:
Moc, I'll talk to you tomorrow. But you're dead wrong about me.
IF im alive muda farker.
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On April 15 2013 15:37 geript wrote:
One last point I'd like to make Moc. Go back and look at when I started to bus BH in The Game. I did it exactly when two or three players (a few with notable thread presence) noticed he was suspicious; what was my response, make a few weak ass points that I never terribly followed up on significantly. When the vote scramble game with the VE stuff did I revert to my "scum read" on BH or even seriously entertain or offer BH up as a lynch option for me? No, he was a side mention while I was on "totes 3P VE." I don't hard bus from the start.
I also ask you this... how many cases have scum made against scum at this point? Seriously? I don't remember any (although I'm not done with my readthrough). Honestly, I expect much better than this, but if you need to lynch me to realize that I'm right on Keirathi then please do so if you have to.
Nope. im sorry im reverting to primitive scum hunting, where i throw out loose statements (because im too lazy to filter read)
& judge the reactions.
Im sorry, thsi is going no where and im clouding the thread.
Im going to do us all a service and clock off.
I will do the courtesy of reading those pages when I clock back on.
When I did my Day2, VCA on day1.. it was very frustrating that kei never had a final vote (cos day ended early).
its also odd that he unvoted in the first place; and wanted to take his time. Considering everyone else took a stance.
That action *is* genuinely peculiar.
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I also wondered why caller would be shot.
as showtime; his power was used. he was in essence a VT. What was the value in killing him;
with the janitor flip, BM could have "framed" ANYBODY. But he chose Caller specifically.
This does give heavy credence to Keirathi being under pressure.
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G-Star
skimmed p38-43
Couple Things.
(1) Ima hypocrite. If RO is confirmed, than technically you should be for the Artanis Case.
Im surprised no one has pointed this out? Anywho.
(2) Caller cases comes in @ p40, and the exchange goes on for a lot.
Between p40-43: caller/kei are the main two thread ppl.
yam has a post or two, and so does oats, but it is predominantly them.
Then @ p43, artanis drops the geript case, and sinani randomly appears and says some absolutely useless comments such as "do we vote yet"
So what specific flipped mafia spamming are you talking about?
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On April 15 2013 15:58 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:
I also wondered why caller would be shot.
as showtime; his power was used. he was in essence a VT. What was the value in killing him;
with the janitor flip, BM could have "framed" ANYBODY. But he chose Caller specifically.
This does give heavy credence to Keirathi being under pressure. What? Caller called me scum during the picking phase, but never followed up on it during the actual game. Night 1, after Artanis and VE flipped scum, he was interested in lynching rayn/sn0/you/Oats. I wasn't under any pressure whatsoever :o In fact, I don't remember a single person mentioning me all of night 1. Bad argument is bad.
So you forgot about Sharrant also adding in his 2c on you?
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On April 06 2013 08:10 Mocsta wrote:Man.. Artanis.. I *ABHOR* association reads. But, considering the pressure keirathi is under; and this case on Geript. I will admit I found it odd that Keirathi decided to step in to "hard defend" Geript regarding that "scum slip" comment. Why?Because it didnt put Geript under any pressure. So I could not understand why Keirathi wanted to interject and devote so many posts to discussing this matter. And then to Culminate by throwing suspicion on my action. Just food for thought. + Show Spoiler [scumslip exchange] +On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you. On April 05 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:
I sincerely hope that isnt a scum slip.
Because, I expect more from your scum play than a loose phrase like that.
I think I know what you meant; but the implication is.. you are aware of what VE is doing currently; which is knowledge townies certainly do not possess.... On April 05 2013 15:52 Keirathi wrote:
Err what?
How is that in any way a scumslip :o
You're seeing things that aren't there, IMO lol. On April 05 2013 15:57 Mocsta wrote:
Perhaps, the only reason I dont think its a slip is because its a common saying; and perhaps used in the wrong context.
It still does infer he is aware VE is active in a QT. On April 05 2013 16:02 Keirathi wrote:You mean imply, not infer. You inferred based on his implication  But I digress... I don't even think it implies that. I mean, I guess I can see how you can read it and think that, but in context the implication to me is that VE is not being out in the open with his thoughts, and instead of hiding in the background without particularly doing anything. Which I can agree with, but I don't think it really means anything yet. On April 05 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote:
Regardless of English semantics.
we are saying the same thing.
I agree, that was his intention - as the saying is common, and perhaps used incorrectly.
I think more of Geript than to scum slip and actually imply VE is busy in the QT - so easily.
Regardless, I didnt want to make an inference so early on; so went straight to the source.
The whole question is voided now, but it was never a big deal in the first place. <3 On April 05 2013 16:11 Keirathi wrote:
Which brings me to another question: Why even bring it up then? Like, what purpose did it serve, if you already didn't think it was a scumslip? On April 05 2013 16:14 Mocsta wrote:
The purpose I suggested one sentence above that line.
I didnt want to make an inference so early on, so went straight to the source.
If we start filling in the gaps now; we will never figure out the scum team.. that is what they want us to do, and how we become tunneled.
This was in response to Artanis case drop on Geript.
But though several days have passed so memory might be relaxed, the quotes remain the same.
I state you were under pressure. This was during vote cycle; so i dunno what you were smoking when you said pre-draft.
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Ermm, my head is exploding.
oats; yes, i found keirathi response weird.
But i can't tell where you are at: im not sure the geript post you are referencing.
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hmmm so gonzaw case didnt come to p63
geript, the problem is.
you are interpreting now the artanis -> geript case coming out, due to pressure on keirathi.
My take before this story came out, was that the case on you was because you were trying to get VE lynched.
We *know* caller could have easily had a counter case made on him.. his filter was attrocious.
So im still leaning to the geript case being made to counter your VE tunnel.
Im tending to think Geript/Keirathi are two townies going at it.
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Fuckn hell. how did Vivax escape this lynch again?
Was it because SnB came in and opened his mouth?
My filter dive from 3 days ago, of the 3 flipped scum, pointed towards Vivax as likely scum.
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Whilst I feel embarrassed we have had to have this convo.
It has gone some way to making ppl probably town.
So i want to hear from oats now what his specific gripe with the quote was.
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Righto.
It was written convoluted, but that is a fair interpretation.
K. im ova this now.
Im not helping anything currently.
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On April 16 2013 12:26 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 07:58 Vivax wrote:
If he looks like a great potential mislynch it should be in your interest to try the hardest to figure out his alignment no? Defending him isn't exactly the way to go. You say he could also be lazy scum, are you trying to get him to play in a way to exclude or confirm that possibility?No, you're doing the opposite.
@Mocsta do you remember if it was Vivax or Kush who pointed out Yamato's attack on Hapa in DukeNukem in a similar way?
Sorry I don't know.
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On April 16 2013 12:10 MockArmor wrote:
Guys. Pls refrain from quick votes.
I really think we need to filter dive
And put up dot point cases to substantiate votes.
We shouldn't let scum come in throw a vote and leave On April 16 2013 12:14 MockArmor wrote:
This situation is reminding me heavily of Mafia lx where random bum lurked to second place.
He never pushed anything and stayed off ppl radar.
In this game two people satisfy that.
Sinani and Shevlocke.
We also know from hydra, scum oats has no issues arguing with me.
vivax
Who did u get a check on...?
On April 16 2013 12:15 MockArmor wrote:
sinani
Why did u activate double lynch?
On April 16 2013 12:21 MockArmor wrote:I will let you know once vivax gives his check result
On April 16 2013 12:28 MockArmor wrote:
I'm comfortable lynching oats based on a few things.
Really disruptive early game
Late game. Oats sheep's. Here he is trying to set the pace
No one has posted logs. If oats is town, surely the start of the qt would be one of the two trying to find alignment. I'm thinking of this as the logs from BH and gk in the game.
Recruiting mason is a null pick for town or scum. Its not kp, but the guy was low on craft list and its better than a vt. And bm choosing jv gives precedent for odd picks.
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I'm comfortable with vivax based on association defended from a few of the flipped scum.
But before voting vivax I need to read his filter to check his stances during the lynches.
His absence is frustrating but it equally applies to most ppl here.
Geript that u r here now trying to solve the game. Is a big plus for u, even though u tunneled keirathi.
As stated before though. I think we need dot point cases instead of OK want to vote for this guy. Scum need to work for this win.
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Geript the key with vivax is descriminating defending a scum buddy vs a townie likely to be future lynched.
E.g. in the game, BH chose the town gk to hard defend. If gk mislynched, he looked good.
The meta defends of vivax is in a similar vein....but.. I do not recall vivax being close to being lynched, so the read did come out a an odd time.
I'm at work on tablet. Can anyone pls summarise oats stance on the scum lynches vs town lynches?
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Geript.
Can u pls post the vivax quote.
Like I said. I'm at work on tablet. Its hard to filter dive without getting caught
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OK.. If vivax is top scum lynch based on associations
Do we use the double lynch?
I.e. do u assume someone is traitor or not.
I'm inclined to go with one lynch. That way if game proceeds we potentially have another townie, as oats can't be traitor.
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The guy with no check is cancel if I recall.
We really need vivax to share his check.
Shevlocke, any reason you didn't share this first opinion yesterday?
I also don't like your conclusion with kei being shot for being DT.
He was also a town contributor. So this jump to high DT value whilst interesting is too black/white for my liking.
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