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On March 26 2013 07:44 prplhz wrote:
Remember, on TL Mafia if you don't post within the first hour of the game then you're scum.

On March 26 2013 07:39 prplhz wrote:
Yo ho ho lets play some mafia shall we?

Just a little reminder to some people and all people, something that was brought up in the latest podcast and that I agree with: it's a bad idea to have a 150 page thread after day1. Especially for a guy like me who probably doesn't even have 3rd grade reading level, it's really exhausting and it burns me out. So lets consolidate and not screw around too much. Yay!

On March 26 2013 08:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Hi guys! I'm ObviousOne!

Since some of us are strangers I think we should get to know one another a little better.

Let's introduce ourselves to each other! List three things, only let two of them true!

1. I have a list of my games in my profile.
2. I have played newbie games on TL.
3. I have read my role PM.

On March 26 2013 08:10 Dandel Ion wrote:


Hi thar, pink unicorn.

Or maybe your parents really called you Hapa, in which case, my condolences.

On March 26 2013 08:22 sinani206 wrote:
Hello everyone, looks like an action-packed first hour of play. I am posting in prplhz's one hour time limit to not get lynched, as dying day 1 is not fun.

The conversation on this page with the 3 statements, 2 are true thing looks pretty useless, and maybe even scummy.

Maybe cuz he's trying to be brown even tho personality is over.

hint hint

On March 26 2013 08:42 sinani206 wrote:
Can we talk about something that people who didn't play personality can understand please?

On March 26 2013 09:04 sinani206 wrote:


Considering Obvious decided to "introduce" himself, and then leave, apparently without reading his role PM, it is.

On March 26 2013 09:08 sinani206 wrote:


If he didn't he's lying about lying, which is pretty dumb.

On March 26 2013 09:36 sinani206 wrote:


I didn't mean that I believed he didn't read his PM.

On March 26 2013 10:16 Acrofales wrote:

Wait. This is something I do NOT understand. Why is not reading your role PM anti-town? It is stupid. Yes. But:

If town, you are, at worst, missing out on a blue role. Given that town should never rely on blue roles (they are helpful, but what should win the game for town is the lynch) and assuming you play as a townie, if you haven't read your role PM, you are still contributing your most important contribution to town.

If scum, you are not town. Therefore, if you are playing like a townie, you are (potentially) playing against your own wincon. That is fucking fantastic for town. The downside, of course, is that you are not playing like scum, and it is therefore hard for townies to find you. But a D1 policy lynch sounds pretty stupid.

If 3P, you are not town, so if you are playing like a townie, that is great for town, and possibly not so great for you (depending on wincon)

Therefore, if Hapa BELIEVES OO is not reading his role PM, then he should NOT be trying to lynch him. The reason for wanting to lynch someone who claims not to have read his role PM, is because you don't believe him (and the only reason to lie about not having read your role PM is because you're scum trying to spread chaotic misinformation).

Hapa should know this. Hapa, explain why you are policy voting OO?

On March 26 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:
Hello thread.

I have concluded that Grackaroni is scum. Please lynch him.

##Vote Grackaroni

On March 26 2013 09:14 Grackaroni wrote:
What scum motivations are there to claim that you haven't read your role PM? That makes no sense to me.

On March 26 2013 09:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Well I don't like Sinani including it in his reasoning for OO's question being scummy. he's using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM (which should be a null tell) to say that he thinks OO is scum.

On March 26 2013 10:34 Grackaroni wrote:

The case is so weak that there wouldn't be any reaction worth watching. if it were me I would probably just ignore it.

On March 26 2013 11:17 Grackaroni wrote:
For the record Hapa: When I say that I don't like Sinani using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM to say that he is scum.
I mean that Sinani is using scummy logic. (he is misconstruing something that should not be alignment indicative and using it against OO to say that he is scum.)

This is my first game in a long time and I am having some trouble finding where I need to focus. But I am giving reads and I will continue to do so.

On March 26 2013 09:28 Nisani201 wrote:
I highly doubt that there are people who haven't read their role PMs.

On March 26 2013 09:31 Nisani201 wrote:

Because it seems like the standard D1 meta is to fuck around and wait for someone to take it too seriously.

On March 26 2013 12:30 marvellosity wrote:


Even more brownie points for you if you manage to discuss the stuff Mr. Smurf talks about from within this particular game!

On March 26 2013 12:37 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Is he an idiot as town, too?

From your filter, that is what I surmise is your opinion of him already. If that's the case, I guess you're content to let him lurk away the rest of day 1 as he intends?

Or...?

On March 26 2013 12:49 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
I've read Dandel as town and he usually attempts to justify his actions more so than he is here. Perhaps that's not your perception of him, but I will check again to see.

Regardless, you seem a little too content to let him do nothing but troll this game. Your faith that he is going so magically do something different than he has so far is misplaced, in my opinion.

From your filter, that is what I surmise is your opinion of him already. If that's the case, I guess you're content to let him lurk away the rest of day 1 as he intends?

Regardless, you seem a little too content to let him do nothing but troll this game. Your faith that he is going so magically do something different than he has so far is misplaced, in my opinion.

On March 26 2013 13:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
The games I've read of town Dandel are him where he replaced in for another player. Perhaps it is my unfamiliarity with his general play in the opening phase of the game that you seem to have a better handle on.

Fine, we'll play the waiting game you suggest. In the mean time, I'll look through some other filters. His was simply the most egregious at the moment. Hopefully some of the lurkier players like sinani and nisani start posting more.

On March 26 2013 13:10 marvellosity wrote:
not for now

On March 26 2013 12:30 marvellosity wrote:


Even more brownie points for you if you manage to discuss the stuff Mr. Smurf talks about from within this particular game!

On March 26 2013 13:08 marvellosity wrote:


Their question remains - when analysing someone's opening play you actively chose not to research how Dandel opens as town. I didn't expect you to squirm so much with this line of questioning.

On March 26 2013 13:17 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
I didn't ignore all of Dandel's town games.

I specifically remember games like Personality where he makes REASONED posts as town and manages to look town. This game, he has FAILED to do that.

Is it that difficult to understand? Perhaps he has yet to do some kind of awesome townie move, as you suggest, but I remain skeptical.

I'll concede that the opening point wasn't an overly strong one. Obviously you've managed to prove that he trolls as town. Grand, so I guess we just ignore him until he doesn't troll.

On March 26 2013 13:35 Acrofales wrote:
I am null on Marv. However, town Marv just got horrifically burned in Personality. I can see him being cautious and off his game. Anyway, calling Marv scum (for realz, not for trollz) today is pointless. It will just cause a horrific tunnelfest that shits up the thread. Either Marv will get back into his groove and prove his value to town, or he won't and we lynch him later.

On March 26 2013 13:35 Acrofales wrote:
I am null on Marv. However, town Marv just got horrifically burned in Personality. I can see him being cautious and off his game. Anyway, calling Marv scum (for realz, not for trollz) today is pointless. It will just cause a horrific tunnelfest that shits up the thread. Either Marv will get back into his groove and prove his value to town, or he won't and we lynch him later.

I am more interested in returning to Smurf. His position on DI just seems too glib. Not sure how to say it differently, but the read feels forced and there is something weird about how he backs down from it so easily. What he says about Palmar hits about right, although I am more cautious. Meh, I need more info.

On March 26 2013 13:41 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Do I really even have to tell you I think you look the most town out of everyone so far?

I think you're a good enough player to know how people read you, Hapa.

On March 26 2013 13:42 Acrofales wrote:
Have you READ the games in which Marv was pressured early when he was town? If not, I suggest you do. Neither MTG 2 nor Personality 2 were much fun for anybody involved... and I don't remember the older games in which similar things happened.

Anyway, town Marv WILL be productive if you leave him to do his thing. I think that that is pretty much proven.

On March 26 2013 13:44 Keirathi wrote:

Come on Hapa. Really? That goes against everything you know about scum marv. Hell, it directly contradicts the big case you pushed on him in GSL 3.

Why you using backwards logic? :o

On March 26 2013 13:51 Acrofales wrote:

I am really surprised that you have Hapa down as obvious town. I don't think it's that obvious at all. Especially given Hapa's rather tricksy scumplay.

On March 26 2013 13:52 Nisani201 wrote:
Acrofales seemed to be making a lot of sense at the beginning of the game and now he's looking really bad. He said this:



The joking stage of the game is over and he's still trying to drag it on into seriousness. And looking back at his filter, he said a lot of things about how people should be interpreting OO's words without putting in his own opinion. And in general there isn't much real content in his filter. I think he's scum.

##vote acrofales

On March 26 2013 14:02 Nisani201 wrote:
The bold part doesn't mean anything, that's just what he had bolded in his post. The point is that that post is telling people to vote based on what's happening in the meaningless beginning parts of the game.

"Contentless" isn't about quantity, it's about how much of his posts have his own opinions on things. Which isn't really in his filter at all.

I don't know how prplhz is a primary suspicion in this game, he has 3 posts which all mean nothing.

InsertSmurfHere's analysis on Dandel looks like scum bait. No one bit it, which is unfortunate but these things don't always work.

I don't see anything weird about marv, is there a case on him? Because if there is then I don't remember reading it.

On March 26 2013 14:07 Keirathi wrote:

Err, what? How is a meta case 'situational'? That goes completely against the meaning of what meta is.

And its not like I'm even saying that I think that marv is town. You are right, he has seemed kind of emotionally distanced from the game, at least up until this point.

I just don't see how you can use those 2 points in one game to point to "this is how town marv plays", and then use the same 2 points in another game to say "we have scum marv this game". No sense does thou make.

On March 26 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dudes.

Why are you ignoring SnB's horrible case on Prp?

##Vote: strongandbig

On March 26 2013 14:28 Nisani201 wrote:
Acrofales was telling other people what they should do depending on whether they believed OO was lying. He did not mention if he thought OO was lying or not.

On March 26 2013 14:09 Hapahauli wrote:


Scum-bait in the sense that InsertSmurf is scummy, or that it's a bad case and that scum will usually bite on such things?

On March 26 2013 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:


His push on Dandel is wrong, but I could see a townie being all excited that this dude is matching his previous scum meta and posting a case based on that, especially if he is irritated by those posts.
Then he seems to be quite open about not looking at dandel's town games instead of finding shit that would incriminate dandel.

Thoughts on SnB?

On March 27 2013 05:17 strongandbig wrote:
I'd also very much like to hear Hapahauli's updated opinion of Marvellosity.

On March 26 2013 12:37 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Is he an idiot as town, too?

From your filter, that is what I surmise is your opinion of him already. If that's the case, I guess you're content to let him lurk away the rest of day 1 as he intends?

Or...?

On March 27 2013 06:06 Nisani201 wrote:
What the hell is wrong with Grack's "attitude" or "intention?" I don't see anything wrong with that.

It's possible that Palmar is scum. I'm more confident on Acrofales scum though.

On March 27 2013 04:28 Nisani201 wrote:
Good morning everyone.

The case on Grack is really weak, and if it were made by someone other than Palmar it probably wouldn't be getting nearly as far as it is now.

Just because Smurf made a bad case doesn't mean he's scum. He looks town now and there shouldn't be any suspicion on him.

Acrofales is making a bit more sense but his case on me is just a bunch of OMGUS. Acro, who is your secondary suspect?

On March 27 2013 06:50 Acrofales wrote:

If Smurf is Yamato, then he PLAYED with DI in at least one game where they were both town (Personality 2), so how does this even make sense?

The case on Grack is really weak, and if it were made by someone other than Palmar it probably wouldn't be getting nearly as far as it is now.

The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar.

On March 27 2013 06:53 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv

What do you think of Cora right now? I can't tell where you're going with this line of questioning. You seem to be more interested in criticizing his play than questioning him because he's scummy or something.

On March 27 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote:


Come to think of it, didn't you say you knew who the smurf was?

On March 27 2013 08:01 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv: Perhaps because after Personality Mafia I'm not inclined to read every single bs post that everyone posts.

In all honesty, you need to stop asking questions and start making accusations. This is Mafia, not 20 Questions. Come at me bro. Call me scum. Make the case.

You did this same shit in Personality and I flipped town. I really don't think that you are stupid enough to repeat that mistake again, or are you?

On March 27 2013 08:04 cDgCorazon wrote:
Because I didn't read his post. I didn't bother. I don't know how much more obvious I can make that.

On March 27 2013 08:08 cDgCorazon wrote:


THEN CALL ME MAFIA

On March 27 2013 08:10 cDgCorazon wrote:


Because Marv's done this in every game I've played with him.

On March 27 2013 08:12 cDgCorazon wrote:
I did answer his question. I said I didn't read his post before I read yours. How many times do I have to say it?

On March 27 2013 01:18 cDgCorazon wrote:


He's not being suspicious of many people, he's jumping around from read to read hoping that it makes him look like he is scumhunting. The only read that he has discussed more than a sentence is his read on OO, which was the popular person to attack at the time. He also called me prp's scum buddy 5 minutes into the game and then started lurking when I called him on that read.

He's making a whole bunch of bs reads and only scratching the surface with the arguments that he has made. It's all smoke and mirrors to look like he is scumhunting when in fact he is only creating chaos.

On March 27 2013 01:18 cDgCorazon wrote:


He's not being suspicious of many people, he's jumping around from read to read hoping that it makes him look like he is scumhunting. The only read that he has discussed more than a sentence is his read on OO, which was the popular person to attack at the time. He also called me prp's scum buddy 5 minutes into the game and then started lurking when I called him on that read.

He's making a whole bunch of bs reads and only scratching the surface with the arguments that he has made. It's all smoke and mirrors to look like he is scumhunting when in fact he is only creating chaos.

On March 27 2013 08:23 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm confused because you guys have asked me to respond to one post and have gone on to link me to or quote three different posts.

So if I answered the post I was asked to answer, why is this a big deal?

On March 27 2013 08:26 cDgCorazon wrote:
@ Hapa: Ok, so how about I re-respond to the original post you called nonsensical and we can get over this silly crap?

On March 27 2013 08:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, I've finally sorted this out. I thought that Hapa was linking this post:



When in fact he was linking the one above it. I didn't read the post I just quoted until Hapa showed it to me.
There's the confusion. Glad we figured this out.

On March 27 2013 05:09 prplhz wrote:
@sinani206 Why haven't you been playing mafia for ages and what made you suddenly come back to this game?

@Acrofales What you think about Palmar? What did Nisani201 say to make you think that he is scum? Just a line or two, I'm not a big fan of huge posts. And yes, I did read your filter so please bear with me if there was something I didn't understand and say it one more time

@InsertSmurfHere

That can't be true unless you're like ... no, that can't be true.

On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:

Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it.

On March 27 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
@Nisani201 How do you feel about that sinani206 guy?

On March 27 2013 06:30 prplhz wrote:

What makes you think I have a problem with you?

On March 27 2013 11:19 prplhz wrote:

Some people do that when they get frustrated. I think he's frustrated and that's why he's doing it.

@Palmar Why is Acrofales town?

On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote:
If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers.

On March 27 2013 12:41 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't understand why we're still taking about this meta stuff. Just because OO’s play style is different in this game than another doesn't make him scum. In fact, it means absolutely nothing.

I agree that prplhz has been flying under the radar and he could be scum. I want to hear other's thoughts on it though.

On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:

Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it.

On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:

Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it.

On March 27 2013 13:10 Keirathi wrote:

Tunnel him forever? What the fuck?

And quit trying to bully me into a vote. I'll switch my vote when I'm satisfied with Grack's contributions.

On March 27 2013 13:13 ObviousOne wrote:
Some feed back on my choice words against Rayn would be nice right now. People who are here? Any feedback would be appreciated.

On March 27 2013 13:40 prplhz wrote:

I thought it was really weird that Nisani201 thought that Palmar's case on Grackaroni was bullshit yet he didn't seem to think that Palmar was scum. Palmar is a guy who you can rely on having good reads for good reason but Nisani201 just dismissed the read without trying at all to put any pressure on Palmar and I found that weird so I poked him.

On March 27 2013 14:32 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

Look at day 1 of Nomination. I know you've read that game.

On March 27 2013 14:47 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

If you think low activity is alignment indicative out of prplhz, you're wrong. While it's true that he's done little this game, he isn't acting trollish or distant with town when he is posting, as he does normally when he's mafia. He posts little and rarely as both alignments.

On March 27 2013 14:47 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

If you think low activity is alignment indicative out of prplhz, you're wrong. While it's true that he's done little this game, he isn't acting trollish or distant with town when he is posting, as he does normally when he's mafia. He posts little and rarely as both alignments.

On March 26 2013 07:39 prplhz wrote:
Yo ho ho lets play some mafia shall we?

Just a little reminder to some people and all people, something that was brought up in the latest podcast and that I agree with: it's a bad idea to have a 150 page thread after day1. Especially for a guy like me who probably doesn't even have 3rd grade reading level, it's really exhausting and it burns me out. So lets consolidate and not screw around too much. Yay!

On March 26 2013 07:44 prplhz wrote:
Remember, on TL Mafia if you don't post within the first hour of the game then you're scum.

This is his first post this game. What is he doing here? Caring about town, and actually giving out reads. Town reads, but reads nonetheless, and some insight into how he got them. This is a stark difference from the trolly attitude he got caught with in LIX.

This post, he keeps with his pro-town theme and gives two more reads. He says I could be lynched, that he agrees with Sloosh's case. Again, he is thinking about who he wants to lynch, why he wants to lynch them, and being townie about it. The dude is green.

On March 27 2013 05:18 prplhz wrote:
@Keirathi @strongandbig

I voted Grackaroni for all the reasons presented by Palmar, Hapahauli and Keirathi. I liked them all. He's also the best lynch.

I haven't been around much so far which is the explanation for why I didn't post a lot. Just got up to date on the thread. My Grackaroni vote was around page 16 and nothing has changed my mind since that.

On March 27 2013 15:11 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Hapa, you scum bro?

Like, I just posted one of his fucking reads. Holy balls.

On March 27 2013 15:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

No, I'm contrasting it with his SCUM PLAY from LIX.

You know, that thing that was analysed in the post you quoted?

Did you even look at his filter from that game? Have you read Marv's meta case on scum prplhz? If not, you're just attacking him on a weak basis. I know town prplhz to have low activity.

On February 07 2013 22:32 prplhz wrote:
Something rubs me the wrong way about jaybrundage and his case on Djodref. No one else really reacted strongly to Djodref's silly random vote because everybody knew what it was: some sort of scheme to draw out scum. Pretty rediculous but at least he doing something. jaybrundage also acknowledges this himself here but he still uses it as a reason to vote Djodref. This gives him a place to put his vote and even though he's since gradually recanted this (like here), he hasn't unvoted. It seems like he is trying to keep the Djodref door open while not pushing it and not wanting to actually push anything else.

It doesn't seem like a townie thinking "fuck yea, i nailed this cracker and it's so obvious! now i just have to get everybody else to listen to me!", more like "cool, i can just put my vote on him and then chill".

How do you guys feel about jaybrundage?

On February 07 2013 20:52 prplhz wrote:
I'm stuck at page 20 but I just want to say that lynching Palmar is silly right now. First of all he could just be busy and in a trolly mood and once he snaps out of it he could be really useful to us. Second of all, he promised us something concrete very soon: the day 2 plan to ravage scum. Come day 2 and he doesn't have anything then he's lying and then we just lynch him, ezpz.

On February 07 2013 23:13 prplhz wrote:
I agree with Oatsmaster that JieXian doesn't look scum so I don't want to vote for him. He looks like a guy who isn't around and his activity so far doesn't spell out scum to me.

@Mocsta Could you please link the post you're talking about instead of saying "Yea, but what about that jaybrundage post, huh?" because I literally haven't a clue what you're talking about. I'm also going to have a really hard time arguing with someone who says that he doesn't think someone else is scum because they were scum last game. That's unsound in all ways imaginable.

On March 27 2013 05:18 prplhz wrote:
@Keirathi @strongandbig

I voted Grackaroni for all the reasons presented by Palmar, Hapahauli and Keirathi. I liked them all. He's also the best lynch.

I haven't been around much so far which is the explanation for why I didn't post a lot. Just got up to date on the thread. My Grackaroni vote was around page 16 and nothing has changed my mind since that.

On March 27 2013 05:31 prplhz wrote:
@strongandbig I didn't really follow the raynpelikoneet debacles because he's posting a lot and picking fights with everybody and he's grandmother and that's a plus for now.

On March 27 2013 11:19 prplhz wrote:

Some people do that when they get frustrated. I think he's frustrated and that's why he's doing it.

@Palmar Why is Acrofales town?

On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote:
If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers.

On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:
...
I thought it was really weird that Nisani201 thought that Palmar's case on Grackaroni was bullshit yet he didn't seem to think that Palmar was scum. Palmar is a guy who you can rely on having good reads for good reason but Nisani201 just dismissed the read without trying at all to put any pressure on Palmar and I found that weird so I poked him.

On March 27 2013 22:10 prplhz wrote:
I wish I had been around for the case on me but then again there's not really much I can do other than say that I'm not scum. Maybe I didn't contribute a lot so far but D1 was busy for me and I didn't post for first 25 pages. The case on me is full of meta and it's silly to make someone argue about his own meta so maybe it was good that InsertSmurfHere was around to do that. He has been perfectly right in his interpretation of my posts as well. I don't know why Hapahauli is so angry.

I'm not really sure who to vote for right now. No one else strike me in the same way as as Grackaroni so I'm going to reread some stuff.

On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote:
If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers.

On March 27 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
@Nisani201 How do you feel about that sinani206 guy?

On March 27 2013 05:09 prplhz wrote:
@sinani206 Why haven't you been playing mafia for ages and what made you suddenly come back to this game?

@Acrofales What you think about Palmar? What did Nisani201 say to make you think that he is scum? Just a line or two, I'm not a big fan of huge posts. And yes, I did read your filter so please bear with me if there was something I didn't understand and say it one more time

@InsertSmurfHere

That can't be true unless you're like ... no, that can't be true.

On March 28 2013 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait.

Im confused.

Who wants to lynch Palmar?

No one.

Huh..

On March 28 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hapa can you explain why we are not lynching Palmar today, and if not today, then when do you want to lynch him?

Do you see anything townie about his play?
Do you see anything scummy about his play?

What do you think about his suspicions of marv considering Marv is probably town?
Also notice the fact that his list is basically echoing town sentiment.

On March 28 2013 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:

What do you expect Marv's play to look like?
What is different from this game and Hydra/Duel/MTG?

Wait what? Did Palmar outright claim the hit?

Much more interest means being a dick day 1 and pushing Grack wrongly, then being really really nice day 2, and not pushing ANYTHING. Right.

Do you still think Prp is scum?
I guess so.

On March 28 2013 03:04 marvellosity wrote:
My play in this game doesn't look like any of those games, and my play in all of those games was quite different. That's a bad argument for me to be town.

On March 28 2013 03:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im saying scum didnt shoot Grack.
I thought everyone agreed.

Prp tends to disappear as town too.
In duel he disappeared in day 3 and got mislynched for his troubles.

On March 28 2013 03:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im saying scum didnt shoot Grack.
I thought everyone agreed.

On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?

I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack.

On March 28 2013 03:32 prplhz wrote:

I'd would be pretty sweet and awesome if you could explain what made you change your mind.

On March 28 2013 03:44 prplhz wrote:

You just read a rather big post and decided to unvote in less than one minute. Maybe you have 3rd grade reading level but in my opinion that's rather fast. You seemed very adamant about me yesterday (or whenever you made that case, like 14 hours ago).

On March 28 2013 03:33 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Not mafia

Not mafia.

What concerns me about all this is how lazy you are with this push on prplhz. I really think you don't know him well if you think low activity = scum in his case. What is MOST concerning, however, is how easily Nisani jumps in with you. Observe:

On March 27 2013 15:11 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Hapa, you scum bro?

Like, I just posted one of his fucking reads. Holy balls.

On March 28 2013 03:55 marvellosity wrote:


I disagree, it's absolutely worth me taking Personality to heart. Besides, your main issue with me is basically the presentation. It's not like I'm going to look for mafia particularly differently (aside from making sure I spend time researching stuff instead of arguing constantly in thread). I catch mafia because I'm diligent and somewhat perceptive, which doesn't require spam/emotion.

On March 28 2013 04:01 marvellosity wrote:


Most of this makes no sense, but especially the bolded bit. His case didn't throw the town into chaos, and I can't even remotely see how it was ever going to throw the town into chaos. Given Acro had been pursuing Nisani already, I also don't see how it was against a "non-suspicious" party.

On March 28 2013 04:07 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

Sinani is in my lurker-null category.

But he's less of a good lynch than Nisani, simply because he came in with a case pushing Nisani when you were koo-koo for prpl-puffs. Coulda been really easy to just sheep you and start assailing me/prplhz at that time, but he didn't.

On March 28 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote:


The fact that sinani is pushing someone I think is mafia.

Nisani's early push on Acro was nonsense as elaborated on by Acro himself.

On March 28 2013 04:13 marvellosity wrote:


Since when does it = town?

On March 28 2013 04:14 marvellosity wrote:


you said you liked his push on Acro, and how he backed off it. The push was bullshit and he was forced to back off because the bullshit was exposed. How you like that is beyond me.

On March 27 2013 06:18 Nisani201 wrote:
I just read through Acro's filter again and I could be wrong about him.

I want to believe Palmar is scum but I've been wrong about him in the past which is why I'm not pushing against him.

I don't really know who else is scum. All of the current candidates are pretty bad. I'm gonna look into Cora.

On March 28 2013 04:15 sinani206 wrote:


Yeah, but you were using it to defend him.

On March 28 2013 04:17 marvellosity wrote:


He discloses no information at all...

On March 28 2013 04:18 sinani206 wrote:


Well that case on Acro was never one of my reasons to go after Nisani anyway. Either way, there's a ton more stuff that you haven't really addressed specifically.

On March 28 2013 04:59 ObviousOne wrote:
Just woke up and caught up.

If it's between Kei and Sinani I'll go with the former

Keirathi laughed off my suspicions of him early game and I thought that was related to a conversation we had pre-game where he told me to make silly cases. His response was "I've created a monster" and to me it looked like he was simply laughing it off in an offhandedly way -- as if my suspicions were just completely unfounded and terribly reasoned -- which later convinced me to drop it when nobody really commented on it.

As for Sinani I'm okay with lynching him based on participation level this game, the meta stuff doesn't fascinate me too terribly much in his case when I can barely remember he's even playing the game.

Again, I want to lynch Keirathi over Sinani.

On March 28 2013 04:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Sinani is Scum. Here's why:

1) He has a HUGE HISTORY playing with Nisani! He of all people should understand how to read Nisani very well. Instead, his case...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256&currentpage=41#809
... is completely comprised of stuff that is in Nisani's town games as well!

On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:


I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1.

It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched.

@Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas.

On March 28 2013 00:24 Kurumi wrote:

Day 1 Vote Tally - 6 hours 30 minutes to go!

Nisani201
Acrofales
marvellosity
sinani206
prplhz

prplhz
Keirathi
Nisani201
Hapahauli

Palmar
Oatsmaster

cDgCorazon
InsertSmurfHere

InsertSmurfHere
Dandel Ion

Nobody is up for a lynch yet! Reminder, you need 9 votes to lynch somebody!

On March 28 2013 06:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why did you think it was a good idea to claim keir?

On March 28 2013 06:25 Nisani201 wrote:
Well sinani is still a liar so he's the best lynch for now.

##Unvote
##Vote sinani206

On March 28 2013 06:31 Oatsmaster wrote:


Ok marv.
I rather be right once and wrong once than wrong twice because I thought that Palmar was scum when in fact he was town.
(egoistic i know, trying to emulate marv)

Hapa, mind explaining what is scummy about my play?

On March 28 2013 06:32 Acrofales wrote:

So you want to lynch Oats for playing like Oats. :/

On March 28 2013 06:37 ObviousOne wrote:

Guys
Guys
Lol this is the right person to lynch.

On March 28 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote:


Given you're insistent about mafia, you need to answer/talk to me about what I found when looking at sinani's meta.

On March 28 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:

Does this not read to you as he's still suspicious of Cora
There's no reason, NONE, right now, if you've read the thread, to worry about Cora. Zero.

On March 28 2013 06:43 ObviousOne wrote:

So he literally brought NOTHING new to the table. And you are okay with this?

On March 28 2013 06:48 ObviousOne wrote:

Not sure what your beef is. It's the right lynch for D1 based on what is possible right now. If you're unhappy about the candidates maybe you should have brought it up, oh, I donno, anytime before the final hours before the lynch. Nisani is the better choice between Sinani and Nisani right now, especially with Keirathi now definitely not getting lynched. That's my updated opinion. They are calling each other scum and any insight we might gain from one on the other is bunk.

On March 28 2013 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Huh, so even without knowing what Nisani will flip you are discussing tomorrow's lynch targets?

On March 28 2013 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Based on what he will flip we find a lot of new information. Like about OO who does a weird sinani -> nisani thing with no apparent reason.

On March 28 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is one another thing why i won't change my vote from Nisani.

When the Grack shot happened (and later when prplhz started town telling) there were two players who were totally thrown off their game. Palmar and Hapahauli.

Palmar came in with a list of five people and was totally clueless what to do. Which would be okay since he had pushed Grack the whole early D1. If only there wasn't this post of his:

He already had another couple of suspects. Where is the exploring? Right.

And look what Hapa is doing...

On March 28 2013 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i have to switch to Keir/sinani to ensure a lynch happens i'll switch to Keirathi. He falls into the gray area for me, i don't remember much from him. And i think sinani lynch is pushed by scum.

On March 28 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Nisani

Keir, can you paraphrase what have you talked about in the mason circle? Just a short version.

On March 28 2013 05:41 strongandbig wrote:


soooo baaad


acro is scummmmmm

On March 28 2013 06:44 strongandbig wrote:
alright i voted nisani
marv's argument for why sinani is town seems pretty compelling
and i want to lynch somebody if at all possible

On March 29 2013 00:53 prplhz wrote:

Correct analysis obviously is, good analysis not so much and no matter what, good analysis should just about never be held against people.

On March 29 2013 01:21 strongandbig wrote:


so i haven't gotten up to date with the thread yet but i thought i would answer this part
there's a few things.

(1) when I made that post criticizing acro, I wanted to draw people's attentions to the post that I quoted and express that I thought it looked bad. If I had a strong overall scum read on acro, that would be a singularly bad way of letting the thread know about it.

(2) Even if I did have a strong scum read on acro, that doesn't make his arguments invalid. I could be wrong, and statistically probably I am; he could be bussing; etcetera. Like, if I really thought acro was scum I should pay extra attention to his arguments in order to analyze his point of view in them.

(3) You're kind of misrepresenting the situation with the voting as well. Acro's participation in the nisani push had little to do with my decision to vote for him. I explained my reasons in the post you quoted - the only realistic lynch options were sinani and nisani; I was kind of persuaded by Marv that sinani was more likely to be town than sinani, and I didn't want a no lynch, so I voted for sinani.

so yeah

On March 29 2013 01:56 marvellosity wrote:
sinani looks worse by default.

Palmar looks bad for his apathy towards the lynch. It's something else I'd have to check, but I don't actually recall a single reason he gave for thinking sinani was mafia while Nisani was town. They were just reasonless reads pulled out of thin air.

Plus I have townreads on you & Acro which makes me think worse of him automatically.

I need to re-look at reyn/prplhz/OO I guess, but they're all getting more useful as the game goes on, and not less useful, so I don't know where that will take me.

I need to re-look at reyn/prplhz/OO I guess, but they're all getting more useful as the game goes on, and not less useful, so I don't know where that will take me.

On March 29 2013 02:25 marvellosity wrote:


It's not going to happen, like I mentioned yesterday I have a chess match to complete this evening so the time I'd usually have is munched away.

I've had Oats as fairly strongly town all game. In addition, and this is probably a terrible terrible reason, but Palmar said he was very unlikely to be mafia, and if Palmar is town I trust that judgement, and if he's mafia I don't think he'd say such a thing about his scumbuddy.

On March 29 2013 02:29 marvellosity wrote:


Do your research, Ange went from null to somewhat scummy.

On March 28 2013 06:51 ObviousOne wrote:

Then you can have your beef and eat it, too.

On March 29 2013 03:28 Keirathi wrote:

I was going to save this for deadline, but I'm starting to have some doubts now too, so talk about him with me now.

My biggest problem with marv is that he ostensibly had Smurf in his top scum reads for the entirety of day 1 (well, since page 18?ish). But never did anything to push him. At all.

He put much more effort into pushing Nisani, but went so far as saying that the lynch should be between Smurf and Nisani (which was before I was #1 guaranteed mafia out of nowhere). But still, he did nothing at all to push Smurf, and only focused on Nisani.