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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2013 16:38 GMT
#1770
On March 30 2013 01:37 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
The claim is probably legit if my own role PM is anything to go by.

I can't pick out 4 mafia now for the life of me.

To modkill or not
that is the question

Wat.

He didn't break any rule :o
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2013 16:49 GMT
#1775
I disagree that he broke either of those rules.

Not worth arguing about though.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2013 21:11 GMT
#1792
On March 30 2013 05:45 prplhz wrote:
I don't want to lynch marvellosity anyway.

Why not?

What makes you think he's town? Who DO you want to lynch?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2013 22:01 GMT
#1800
On March 30 2013 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 06:40 Acrofales wrote:
On March 30 2013 06:30 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 30 2013 06:22 Acrofales wrote:
Marv, is Oats town? He's not hyperactive like usual. It's starting to make me itch.

Anyway, Sinani has disappeared, so still happy with my vote today. Sorting out the rest is a worry for tomorrow.


Nope. Even if Yamato and Sinani are both scum, its highly unlikely they're the only two.

Let's not get lazy.

Well, other than SnB's roleclaim making him confirmed town, barring a counterclaim, nothing much else has changed and I'm on a mini-break and analysing filters on my ipad with shitty internet is not fun. So... no.


Will you be on your iPad for the next 30 hours? I find that doubtful.

He said he was out of town for Easter weekend, so on iPad until Sunday.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2013 22:24 GMT
#1805
................................................................................................
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2013 23:16 GMT
#1832
On March 30 2013 08:14 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 08:10 strongandbig wrote:
Marv what do you say to my contention that you referring to me multiple times as one if your top scum reads but not noticing my soft medic claim means you weren't actually trying to figure out my alignment but were instead just throwing around scum reads?


nothing, it's dull and i've already deleted 3 posts about it but it's just not interesting enough for me to type about. Sorry.

It is interesting, because you did the same thing to me.

But for some reason you are holding Smurf to a different standard.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2013 23:22 GMT
#1836
On March 30 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
ok? you have your vote on me, so let's not worry about it too much

Zzzzzz.

I don't want to lynch you if you are town. Quit giving up. I'm not in here yelling at everyone to vote you, and I'm trying to back off so you don't get "on tilt" or wahtever. But you're not giving us anything.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2013 23:34 GMT
#1842
On March 30 2013 08:25 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 08:22 Keirathi wrote:
On March 30 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
ok? you have your vote on me, so let's not worry about it too much

Zzzzzz.

I don't want to lynch you if you are town. Quit giving up. I'm not in here yelling at everyone to vote you, and I'm trying to back off so you don't get "on tilt" or wahtever. But you're not giving us anything.


What's there to say about his stupid claim at the start of the day?

It's blatantly obvious to anyone who's even vaguely reading the thread what the options were, and I believe I've shown myself to be attentive to the thread multiple times (for example, easily pulling up Palmar's read on you, or Smurf's blue snipe)

There's very little to say about it other than that either he's mafia, and he won't claim, or he'll claim and be counterclaimed, or he's not mafia, in which case at some stage he'll claim and not be counterclaimed. This doesn't actually require anyone bringing anything up.

You're kind of missing the point.

I didn't "bring it up" either. I'm not accusing you of that. But I don't see how you could see the interaction and then later still think of S&B was one of your top scum reads ("Probably sinani and s&b are my top 2 right now").

Like S&B said, that points to you not really thinking about the game critically. Which is also what you did with me on day 1: call me scum for 1 thing, to the exclusion of everything else I had done in the game. And, surprise! Your "suspicion" only stopped with the claim.

Which makes some of your other stances really weird. You call Smurf scum for the entirety of day 1 and night 1. Then suddenly "He seems genuinely mad at points" so you don't want to vote him. Why this in-depth analysis for one person, but not for S&B? Not for me?

It doesn't make sense to me :o
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2013 23:41 GMT
#1848
On March 30 2013 08:38 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 08:34 Keirathi wrote:
On March 30 2013 08:25 marvellosity wrote:
On March 30 2013 08:22 Keirathi wrote:
On March 30 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
ok? you have your vote on me, so let's not worry about it too much

Zzzzzz.

I don't want to lynch you if you are town. Quit giving up. I'm not in here yelling at everyone to vote you, and I'm trying to back off so you don't get "on tilt" or wahtever. But you're not giving us anything.


What's there to say about his stupid claim at the start of the day?

It's blatantly obvious to anyone who's even vaguely reading the thread what the options were, and I believe I've shown myself to be attentive to the thread multiple times (for example, easily pulling up Palmar's read on you, or Smurf's blue snipe)

There's very little to say about it other than that either he's mafia, and he won't claim, or he'll claim and be counterclaimed, or he's not mafia, in which case at some stage he'll claim and not be counterclaimed. This doesn't actually require anyone bringing anything up.

You're kind of missing the point.

I didn't "bring it up" either. I'm not accusing you of that. But I don't see how you could see the interaction and then later still think of S&B was one of your top scum reads ("Probably sinani and s&b are my top 2 right now").

Like S&B said, that points to you not really thinking about the game critically. Which is also what you did with me on day 1: call me scum for 1 thing, to the exclusion of everything else I had done in the game. And, surprise! Your "suspicion" only stopped with the claim.

Which makes some of your other stances really weird. You call Smurf scum for the entirety of day 1 and night 1. Then suddenly "He seems genuinely mad at points" so you don't want to vote him. Why this in-depth analysis for one person, but not for S&B? Not for me?

It doesn't make sense to me :o


Because until he's claimed there's no reason to think he's town. I can't be arsed to log on to OMGUS right now but there's a game where I lynched palm (mafia) day 1, and had Enforced as my top scumread day 2 with coag just behind. It turned out kush had been protected by Enforced, and in my head I thought that Enforced was the only person in the game that would have protected kush instead of me (or some other dude I forget). Nonetheless I would have killed Enforced until he claimed, which he did.

You're also just bullshitting with your "to the exclusion of everything else you'd done this game". You'd done nothing, like in every game you play you're a useless shit, and had made a case in 5th place on Grack and a shit meta case on prplhz. That's literally all you did. We done here?

I also don't get how you think "he seems genuinely angry" is in-depth analysis. I'm sick of this retarded conversation with you because it's NEVER going to get either of us anywhere. Just leave me the fuck alone.

Whatever marv. Just be a baby then.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2013 23:48 GMT
#1852
On March 30 2013 08:42 marvellosity wrote:
Says the guy who's swore at me multiple times this game for no reason whatsoever when I'd done nothing similar to provove it. Ok.

What are you even talking about?

I haven't swore at you.

Pre-Post Edit: Oh wait, I said "What the fuck" to one of your posts. Mah bad, dawg.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 00:13 GMT
#1863
On March 30 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 09:04 ObviousOne wrote:
If I take the SNB claim at face value and corroborate it with his stuff after day post he is town.

Rayn why did you have a TOWN read on SNB during day 1? You said "leaning town" so now I want to hear why you did not find him scummy yesterday. Full disclosure, go.

I just posted two posts directed to marv where i explain it. :D

So the sole reason for your town read was because he defended you?

Isn't that, in itself, enough scum motivation for a scum to defend a townie (he gets town reads from it)?

And like marv said, scum defend townies from other townies all the time.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 00:17 GMT
#1865
On March 30 2013 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 09:13 Keirathi wrote:
On March 30 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 30 2013 09:04 ObviousOne wrote:
If I take the SNB claim at face value and corroborate it with his stuff after day post he is town.

Rayn why did you have a TOWN read on SNB during day 1? You said "leaning town" so now I want to hear why you did not find him scummy yesterday. Full disclosure, go.

I just posted two posts directed to marv where i explain it. :D

So the sole reason for your town read was because he defended you?

Isn't that, in itself, enough scum motivation for a scum to defend a townie (he gets town reads from it)?

And like marv said, scum defend townies from other townies all the time.

No it's not if you can instead cause a shitfest in thread like what was about to come between me and Cora on D1, i was really mad at him at some point. And the fact that s&b can't possibly know how experienced i am as a player - i could fuck something up and get myself mislynched.

Again: scum do this ALL THE TIME.

Do you want examples?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 00:18 GMT
#1866
EBWOP: In fact, I've already specifically mentioned one great example in this thread.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 00:28 GMT
#1872
On March 30 2013 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
Scum defend townies because townies defend townies. And scum do what townies do so they look like townies.

It's not a very difficult concept.

Yes i understand that. Scum also do not want to say what they do not deed to say. An organized co-working D1 town is a disaster for mafia. That's why i think s&b's defence on me was really really a townie act.
1) Prevent a possible shitstorm between me / OO
2) Keep town organized

It's irrelevant because S&B's claim makes him very likely to be town.

But that heuristic is bad :o
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 01:06 GMT
#1886
On March 30 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
Kei and I have 60 games between us. My reads may not always be correct, but stuff like that isn't really something you can argue about.

Well there are different approaches to mafia for everyone and i do not think having a different approach is right/worng. It's all about identificating the motives behind peoples actions. Scumplay can be handled very differently and in my mind i didn't see that defence coming from scum!s&b. Maybe i was wrong or right or maybe we are both right here, idk.

Fine.

Here's scum S&B defending me for no reason in Chrono Trigger (it wasn't even a lynch day...we were electing a Mayor). He really had no reason to defend me. He just used the defense of me to start slinging suspicion at Hapa:

On November 22 2012 04:26 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:
@ iamp

Welcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.



@ Kei
You're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts.

Err... but you said...
On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:

--Quote Pyramid Omitted--

I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through.

Do explain good sir.


ehrmagerd he was inconsistent wooooooooooooooow

this is a big deal guys (no it's not)

not feeling the hapa happenin right now

My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 01:06 GMT
#1888
On March 30 2013 10:06 marvellosity wrote:
I'm sure you talked about Acro in more detail in your filter, but I've had a bit to drink - can you summarise why you find him suspicious for me?

Pick me, pick me!
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 01:12 GMT
#1893
On March 30 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 10:06 Keirathi wrote:
On March 30 2013 10:06 marvellosity wrote:
I'm sure you talked about Acro in more detail in your filter, but I've had a bit to drink - can you summarise why you find him suspicious for me?

Pick me, pick me!


Er, I choose you? (I have no idea what for, but go for it!)

Well, I want to hear what OO has to say.

But I've been thinking about Acro a bunch and he is interesting.

I'll explain more in a bit.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 01:14 GMT
#1895
On March 30 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 10:06 Keirathi wrote:
On March 30 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 30 2013 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
Kei and I have 60 games between us. My reads may not always be correct, but stuff like that isn't really something you can argue about.

Well there are different approaches to mafia for everyone and i do not think having a different approach is right/worng. It's all about identificating the motives behind peoples actions. Scumplay can be handled very differently and in my mind i didn't see that defence coming from scum!s&b. Maybe i was wrong or right or maybe we are both right here, idk.

Fine.

Here's scum S&B defending me for no reason in Chrono Trigger (it wasn't even a lynch day...we were electing a Mayor). He really had no reason to defend me. He just used the defense of me to start slinging suspicion at Hapa:

On November 22 2012 04:26 strongandbig wrote:
On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:
@ iamp

Welcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.



@ Kei
You're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts.

Err... but you said...
On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:

--Quote Pyramid Omitted--

I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through.

Do explain good sir.


ehrmagerd he was inconsistent wooooooooooooooow

this is a big deal guys (no it's not)

not feeling the hapa happenin right now


If you still want to discuss this okay then:
See the difference in defences? Most notably the difference in effort s&b put into this compared to the defence in my case.

Sorry, it's kind of spam at this point because the discussion is completely irrelevant. (Well, not completely. If you are scum, it would be in your best interest to have a town read on S&B for defending you, when by all logic you shouldn't. But meh)

We can discuss it in post-game.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 01:23 GMT
#1903
On March 30 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently rayn is mafia in XXXIX

this makes me think considerably worse of him here (sorry man)

see you all tomorrow

Still here for half a second?

You had Acro down as town during the night because of his "silliness". Then rescinded it. What made you change your mind?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 01:35 GMT
#1911
On March 30 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently rayn is mafia in XXXIX

this makes me think considerably worse of him here (sorry man)

see you all tomorrow

Hmmm?

I'm looking at XXXIX and I don't see rayne in the player list :o

Unless he was smurfing?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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