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I have time for one more filter and picked Sinani. I actually think there's a good chance he's scum.
1. He was cagey on the OO claim. He didn't just have an opinion, but was very careful, as if he didn't want to stick his neck out.
2. No reads. He has given his opinion of Nisani. Other than that? Nothing. I don't even know what he thought of OO with the lack of a role PM. A minor blurb about prplhz.
I had a quick look at Sinani's town meta (think I only ever played with him as scum) and he seems more useful. I agree that he is more active than his usual scumgame, but a 2 page filter is not exactly the paragon of an active townie. Sinani, who do you want to lynch, why? Why have you not said anything at all about anybody except Nisani.
As an added bonus, Nisani thought he was scum at the end, and they have a long history together. It might have been an OMGUS and I have to save myself, but he did give a scumread on Sinani.
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So in closing, tomorrow we should focus on Smurf and Sinani.If they both suddenly prove they're townie, then OO and probably Marv, but fairly certain there's scum between Smurf and Sinani.
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I survived! 
I don't know why you're surprised at Palmar being town, while not doing much, he was clearly not playing like he does as scum. Gonna go over his filter, but he didn't leave any reads I don't think.
So... we lynch Smurf and Sinani!
##vote Smurf
##vote Sinani
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On March 29 2013 07:34 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 07:26 Keirathi wrote:On March 29 2013 07:18 ObviousOne wrote:On March 29 2013 07:17 strongandbig wrote:On March 29 2013 07:11 ObviousOne wrote:On March 29 2013 07:10 strongandbig wrote:
I would like some people to read OO's filter and tell me if they agree with me re: his effort to content ratio. What's your read on Marv? well the fact that scum shot hapa and palmar obviously makes me wonder if marv is scum but other than that I always have a hard time reading him, and it's especially hard to tell whether or not he's town now because if he is town he would be behaving differently from normal anyway because of the personality stuff. so basically, null but def on my list of people to look more closely at. Okay, I was mostly asking because he pretty much hard defended me as town D1 and he has had absolutely zero reason to do that in this game when I was clearly a person of interest. Do you think a scum Marv would do that, and why? Scum marv would definitely do that. Go read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16497364Scum marv hard defended town kush, then VE came in with a red check on kush. I explained why I thought that kush was still probably town and just framed. Marv commented to me in irc that that analysis was one of the few ever on TL that actually made him think about how he plays scum. That's pretty clever. Actually thinking about how that situation applies to me, it's a good bet to hedge that I'll survive to end-game if I don't get lynched D1. Look at my town record: 1st newbie game: lynched d1 as town 2nd newbie game: NK night 4 3rd newbie game: win at endgame 4th normal game: lynched d1 as town (marv was in on that one and later admitted he did it for the lulz) 6th normal game: win at endgame (d2 in this case) 7th normal game: died by 3p N4 A scum Marv would know if I'm town. It's a crazy and unpredictable move unless someone was aware of it and brought it up in the thread. Do you think he's using the same trick twice?
Firstly, it's not crazy and unpredictable. It happens all the time that a scummer decides to be the champion of the lynchbait. The knight in shining armor who proves his reads are good and he can be sheeped for the rest of the game because look how he knew ScrubX was town.
Secondly, I am far from sure you're town, so if it's scum-Marv, he could just be defending his scumbuddy.
In closing, Marv's whole OO is town, just look at <META>, is still one of the funkier plays this game and while I've backed off calling Marv sure scum over it, I don't see any conceivable way you can call it townie.
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On March 29 2013 07:45 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, someone walk me through why Sinani is so scummy that he should bet he lynch today. I'm just not seeing it. Like I said in my post, I have him pretty firmly in the null category. Biggest thing to me is that he seems extra concerned about his survival, but I don't think that is strictly 100% a mafia trait, it's just more likely to be mafia than town.
I don't see what makes him the best second target for the day at all.
On March 29 2013 06:56 Acrofales wrote:
I have time for one more filter and picked Sinani. I actually think there's a good chance he's scum.
1. He was cagey on the OO claim. He didn't just have an opinion, but was very careful, as if he didn't want to stick his neck out.
2. No reads. He has given his opinion of Nisani. Other than that? Nothing. I don't even know what he thought of OO with the lack of a role PM. A minor blurb about prplhz.
I had a quick look at Sinani's town meta (think I only ever played with him as scum) and he seems more useful. I agree that he is more active than his usual scumgame, but a 2 page filter is not exactly the paragon of an active townie. Sinani, who do you want to lynch, why? Why have you not said anything at all about anybody except Nisani.
As an added bonus, Nisani thought he was scum at the end, and they have a long history together. It might have been an OMGUS and I have to save myself, but he did give a scumread on Sinani.
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On March 29 2013 08:11 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 07:59 Keirathi wrote:On March 29 2013 07:53 ObviousOne wrote:On March 29 2013 07:45 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, someone walk me through why Sinani is so scummy that he should bet he lynch today. I'm just not seeing it. Like I said in my post, I have him pretty firmly in the null category. Biggest thing to me is that he seems extra concerned about his survival, but I don't think that is strictly 100% a mafia trait, it's just more likely to be mafia than town.
I don't see what makes him the best second target for the day at all. iPod posting so I'm not quoting my reads from a little while ago but we can talk about the points regarding Sinani if you wish. I read your reasons but....I dunno, they don't really feel like such black-and-white-SLAMDUNK-we-got-scum reasons. Why him over Smurf/marv/s&b? I'm voting for SNB as well with the double lynch Marv has today to get his groove back, definitely Sinani over him. As for smurf, he does deserve a second look because his D1 was mostly spend arguing with people about his town read on prp and retaliating against Cora. By elimination I came up with the 6 players I felt were on the probably-not-town end of the spectrum. Palmar has since flipped town so I'm down to 5. Marv can go on that list if he isn't going to push harder today. ISH is spending a lot of time on the defensive but he seems to also find Acro suspicious and I agree with that notion.
So those 5 are SnB, Smurf, Sinani, Marv and me?
How about you give some reasons for these... or if it's elimination, explain your town reads.
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On March 29 2013 08:11 Keirathi wrote:I'm okay with Smurf and marv. ##Vote: InsertSmurfHere
##Vote: marvellosity+ Show Spoiler [Mildly irrelevant] +Fun fact: Smurf has absolutely 0 mention of any opinion towards marv in his filter, aside from lumping in the null column in his list post for no reasoning. Also, his whole Dandel meta bullshit was a chainsaw defense of marv.
What makes Marv scummier than Sinani?
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On March 29 2013 06:50 ObviousOne wrote:
scummy
1 sinani206
- Outside of Acro, was the second champion to the Nisani lynch.
- Ostensibly should have had a better handle on Nisani's alignment, was completely wrong, so either a poor use of meta or intentionally using Nisani's lurky habits to push the agenda.
- Sinani's voting reason claims that Nisani was pushing soft reads all game. This is hilarious because Nisani is his own first push. The rest of his filter before that is questions and looks like pretending to be involved.
2 Acrofales
- I'm seeing dislike for my word choice and tone and how those cannot be linked to a town mentality. He admits he doesn't know me so how can this even be a thing if he's not comparing it to anything I've done before?
- My activity within the time before the deadline is already explained within my filter during my conversation with Kei, somehow it's still an issue
- Conversely gives me some credit for effort, but calls it null - that's fine and all but you could say that about anyone. Is time expenditure a town or scum tell for certain?
- Strange reaction to my points about how the lynch came about. What's wrong with pointing out how the bandwagon got started?
3 strongandbig
- Dislikes my "tone" ? Okay
- Last minute vote-switch attempt (half-hearted at that)
- Felt like mostly a non-entity D1
maybe not town, not sure yet
Oatsmaster
Palmar
InsertSmurfHere
Ah, I completely missed this post. That explains why I was confused. I don't see where you say why I'm scum. You say why you disagree with my points for calling you scum. But why does that make ME scum? Or, in fact, a similar thing for SnB. These reads seem to be pretty much pure "you made a case on me, so I think you're scum". The only case that actually contains a reason for someone being scum is Sinani.
As for the points:
1) I don't "dislike" your word choice. I explain it pretty well. Why are you bothered with when your read started ("planting the seed") or what target a scum might have lynched if they didn't lynch Nisani ("target of opportunity")? These are things that should not be occupying a townie. I don't have to know you to know that townies should not be worried about that.
2) So what? I still think it's scummy.
3) No. Time expenditure is not a real tell, although scum tends to have a harder time being active.
4) Nothing. You just didn't do it properly. The utter lack of Marv in that list was remarkable. The inclusion of Hapa, one of the greatest opponents of the Nisani lynch was also strange. And your analysis of it was focused on all the wrong things.
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On March 29 2013 09:26 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 09:02 Acrofales wrote:On March 29 2013 08:11 Keirathi wrote:I'm okay with Smurf and marv. ##Vote: InsertSmurfHere
##Vote: marvellosity+ Show Spoiler [Mildly irrelevant] +Fun fact: Smurf has absolutely 0 mention of any opinion towards marv in his filter, aside from lumping in the null column in his list post for no reasoning. Also, his whole Dandel meta bullshit was a chainsaw defense of marv. What makes Marv scummier than Sinani? Are you not reading my posts? :o Like you even replied to my post where I asked for someone to walk me through sinani because I wasn't seeing it. Yes, there are some okay points. I just don't think it makes sinani the guaranteed scum that you seem to. And I already explained why I think Marv is scum. Maybe you should do the same because you seem awfully non-committal in your read towards him. You've done everything possible to avoid talking about him.
That's mainly because I'm very unsure of Marv. I had a scumread on him, but during the night it sort of went away. I want to hear those reads he promised, so I have nothing much to say about Marv at the moment.
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Marv is acting really weird. Last time he acted really weird I thought he was scum and was wrong. Not sure what the hell to think. His whole "just lynch me" makes me really want to lynch him, but it is also confusing me, because I haven't seen scum Marv roll over and die either.
In other news, Rayn probably scum. I have no time to explain and am posting from my iPad and will be utnil Sunday (away for Easter weekend). Kill Sinani and Smurf before him anyway.
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Marv, is Oats town? He's not hyperactive like usual. It's starting to make me itch.
Anyway, Sinani has disappeared, so still happy with my vote today. Sorting out the rest is a worry for tomorrow.
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On March 30 2013 06:30 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 06:22 Acrofales wrote:
Marv, is Oats town? He's not hyperactive like usual. It's starting to make me itch.
Anyway, Sinani has disappeared, so still happy with my vote today. Sorting out the rest is a worry for tomorrow. Nope. Even if Yamato and Sinani are both scum, its highly unlikely they're the only two. Let's not get lazy.
Well, other than SnB's roleclaim making him confirmed town, barring a counterclaim, nothing much else has changed and I'm on a mini-break and analysing filters on my ipad with shitty internet is not fun. So... no.
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Lol, you people. I go away for the weekend and get called scum. Can't lynch me anyway, now use your brains.
Anyway, I am hating this useless marv, but it's his birthday. We shouldn't lynch him on his birthday.
Sinani, prplhz is way more open than he is as scum. You making a case on a probable townie doesn't get you town points in my book when you're on the chopping block.
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On March 30 2013 22:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Lol, you people. I go away for the weekend and get called scum. Can't lynch me anyway, now use your brains.
Anyway, I am hating this useless marv, but it's his birthday. We shouldn't lynch him on his birthday.
Sinani, prplhz is way more open than he is as scum. You making a case on a probable townie doesn't get you town points in my book when you're on the chopping block. hmm?
Happy birthday?
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On March 30 2013 22:53 marvellosity wrote:
I was wondering about the bit I bolded, sweetie.
I think it's quite clear. For now that's all you need to know.
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On March 30 2013 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
So you are claiming unlynchable offhandedly, but not claiming town. Interesting.
Also lying scum GET LYNCHED >.<
You claimed Vanilla townie at the start.
WAS THAT A LIE?
Yes.
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And honestly, anybody taking that claim seriously is an idiot. Moreso after my exchange with Palmar.
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On March 30 2013 22:57 marvellosity wrote:
Ok. How do you feel about rayn?
I think he's possibly scum, but a case on him is effort that I am not going to make on my ipad, because quoting and editing posts is the pit of doom. I'm still comfortable in my other two reads, so really no need to add a case on him at the moment. Anyway, it's him or OO. Highly doubt they're scum together and haven't yet decided which is scummier.
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On March 30 2013 23:00 marvellosity wrote:
Why are you so casually claiming unlynchable now, Acro?
Because idiots are voting for me instead of scum.
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GG Town. Two main things that fucked me up completely:
1. Thinking the QT in my role PM was the scumQT (though seriously, who wouldn't think that when it's tagged on at the end just after the "other members of the scum team") and claiming "some kind of vote rigger" there. + Show Spoiler [role pm] +Original Message From Kurumi: The Nice GuyOh, you are so nice you wouldn't ever hurt anyone! That's why you signed up for this Town's Scum team: to prevent harm to people you like. Of course, you have a trick that will help you achieve that: You can rig the votes! Obviously, you are going to use that only once, because people are pretty angry that they are getting killed and rigging them more than once would result in your inevitable death... Did I mention you are a part of a friendship circle? Of course you are! Can't let your friends down! You win when the Scum team equals the Town members or Town can't create a scenario where they'd win. Scum team: Acrofales InsertSmurfHere Sinani206 http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/dv8DsvrH3aKfR Role acquired QT, the only way you can communicate in your circle is this qt
2. Being in the countryside with no time at all and just my ipad to write on when suddenly there was a case against me.
ScumQT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/BvGguDyp9QB (not really much there)
Also, this game was a disaster balance-wise, but I've been over that in the QT. Also, I feel sorry for Rayn, who had an SK-esque wincon tagged onto his town wincon just to make shit harder.
Honestly, the balance could have been fixed all-around quite simply by making Rayn scum, removing me from the QT and leaving everything else exactly as it was... oh, and tell Hapa and Grack that it is not necessarily safe to claim their identity in the QT. A 4man scumteam while leaving the KP pretty much the same as it was now.
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