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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 22:06 GMT
#586
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 22:09 GMT
#589
On March 27 2013 07:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato?

does it matter?


Yes, because knowing it was yamato would help my read on him, but as it is I'm not sure in the slightest it's him. So if it is, I'd like to know how/why you think so.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 22:13 GMT
#592
On March 27 2013 07:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 07:09 marvellosity wrote:
On March 27 2013 07:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 27 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato?

does it matter?


Yes, because knowing it was yamato would help my read on him, but as it is I'm not sure in the slightest it's him. So if it is, I'd like to know how/why you think so.

It'd be an awesome opportunity to free yourself from the shackles of meta though.

You could be free.


I'm not looking on advice on how to play. Are you going to tell me or not?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 22:17 GMT
#594
On March 27 2013 07:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Marvellosity, what do you think of Corazon?


I'm mid-conversation with him, why don't you wait?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 22:21 GMT
#596
On March 27 2013 07:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On March 27 2013 07:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 27 2013 07:09 marvellosity wrote:
On March 27 2013 07:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 27 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato?

does it matter?


Yes, because knowing it was yamato would help my read on him, but as it is I'm not sure in the slightest it's him. So if it is, I'd like to know how/why you think so.

It'd be an awesome opportunity to free yourself from the shackles of meta though.

You could be free.


I'm not looking on advice on how to play. Are you going to tell me or not?

That's not a good attitude bro.

You should always look to improve.


I guess that means I won't tell you. I only mentioned it because acro said something stupid about how he needs to know who smurfdude is to get a read - a ridiculous notion.

It's not really a meaningful topic to talk about - I think it's yam, that should be enough. Anything further is clutter.

You'll either take my "read" on his person as is, and if you don't, then you wouldn't if i explained it either.


There's a massive difference between "looking to improve", which anyone who knows me knows I strive for, and listening to Dandel about how I should be using meta.

If you can't understand why knowing the reasoning behind an opinion makes a difference for assessing the opinion itself, then you fail at basic logic and argumentation.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 22:28 GMT
#599
On March 27 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
If it helps, both Hapa and DI (I think independently) think it's Yamato. Yamato also had some weird little thing in the pre-game where he dropped in specially to say he had no reason to smurf when someone mentioned Smurf might be him.


Yes, the pre-game guy was me, actually
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 22:32 GMT
#600
On March 27 2013 07:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Just tell him Dandel. I'm curious to know myself. This is a fight over semantics and should be over and done with.


Come to think of it, didn't you say you knew who the smurf was?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 23:05 GMT
#614
On March 27 2013 08:01 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv: Perhaps because after Personality Mafia I'm not inclined to read every single bs post that everyone posts.

In all honesty, you need to stop asking questions and start making accusations. This is Mafia, not 20 Questions. Come at me bro. Call me scum. Make the case.

You did this same shit in Personality and I flipped town. I really don't think that you are stupid enough to repeat that mistake again, or are you?


Why the fuck are you equating your alignment last game to your alignment this game? They're completely independent.

If you're not reading everyone's posts, especially ones that are directly addressed to you during a conversation, then you're doing something horribly, horribly wrong, whichever alignment you are.

If I want to "come at you bro" then I'll "come at you bro".
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 23:07 GMT
#617
Corazon, the day I'm afraid to call someone like you mafia is the day I give up mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 23:08 GMT
#620
On March 27 2013 08:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 08:07 marvellosity wrote:
Corazon, the day I'm afraid to call someone like you mafia is the day I give up mafia.


THEN CALL ME MAFIA


Why are you so desperate for me to call you mafia? What the hell is going on in your head?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 23:11 GMT
#624
On March 27 2013 08:10 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 08:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 27 2013 08:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 27 2013 08:07 marvellosity wrote:
Corazon, the day I'm afraid to call someone like you mafia is the day I give up mafia.


THEN CALL ME MAFIA


You're turning this into an unnecessary dichotomy. Just because someone is questioning you doesn't mean you're at the top of their scum-radar. For example, I'm questioning you, and you haven't been saying "HAPA Y U NO CALL ME SCUM."


Because Marv's done this in every game I've played with him.


Pretty sure I established you on the town-side pretty early in Duel.

You know, that game where you were helpful, where you read people's posts, you didn't rant like a looney. That game, yes?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 23:19 GMT
#629
On March 27 2013 08:17 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really do not understand what you want from me Hapa. Did I not answer his question?


I'll make it simple.

1) you claim you didn't read my post
2) you responded directly to the post that you said you didn't read.

1) and 2) are mutually exclusive, are they not?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 23:33 GMT
#643
On March 27 2013 08:29 Hapahauli wrote:
So marv, this conversation is for all purposes over. View on Cora?


He's absolutely insufferable despite having zero ability so I'm going to ignore him completely. I don't want to lynch him today at any rate.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 00:21 GMT
#656
On March 27 2013 09:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey older peoples - (actually woah I'm pretty sure that other than Palmar, marv and I have been playing the longest of anyone here wtf. maybe acro? grack doesn't count cause he wasn't really playing this whole time)

but anyway older peoples like marv and acro - why is palmar talking so much on day 1? at first I was like wow palmar cares about this game guess he's town, but now i'm just sort of like wtf is going on. do you think he's just super town or what?


Recently I learnt that Acro played in Ace's Death Factory 2, which started before our first game.

Sometimes Palmar posts quite a lot Day 1. For example NMM3, or Hero Mafia too, after the first 24 hours. In Bureaucracy he was reasonably active as mafia too.

Anyway I don't see much reason for now that he's mafia, Palmar seems to be trying to figure out people's alignments. Also, maybe he's learnt to play me, but I like his attitude towards me this game too. As in, he's not leaping in to cast judgement of me, and yet has his eyebrow raised just the same.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 00:52 GMT
#668
On March 27 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ!
Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that.

Who of those guys are mafia?


None of the 'reasons' you gave for Grack being town were in fact good reasons. I've just been filtering Grack and looking at his past games a bit more closely, and if I had to bet right now I'd say he was mafia.

In Aperture he came into the thread with a self-vote campaign for mayor (or whatever the equivalent was) and followed up with light-heartedness. In Werewolves mafia he opens by asking opinions about a particular mechanic, while at the same time unequivocally giving his own opinion, followed by a refreshingly blunt opinion on BlazingHand.

In this game there's neither the joking nor the self-confidence. It's much weaker. His town-read on Palmar also seemed quite over-explained; I didn't expect him to make it at all really, and it seemed like he put a lot of effort in it, perhaps in an effort to impress.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#670
On March 27 2013 09:56 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 09:48 Grackaroni wrote:
This game has honestly gotten me pretty flustered but I have no intention giving up. I feel completely unconfident in my reads so now I'm just going to start anew. I'm going to spend the next 4-5 hours carefully reading and analyzing the thread from the beginning until I can get some scum reads I feel truly confident about.

One thing that definitely needs correcting is my read on Palmar. I used to believe that Palmar was much lazier as scum and berated him pretty hard in a previous game for it. (and I was actually lucky and was correct that he was scum and he was being lazy) In reality Palmar is frequently lazy as town and has played several active scum games. My logic was flawed from the start when I thought that him being active in this game made him more likely to be town, it really doesn't. from an admittedly biased point of view right now, I think that Palmar has been fostering a bad town atmosphere and seems more focused. on getting people to sheep him than finding out whether his read is correct.

TLDR: I want to correct my previously flawed reasoning. I will take a less neutral stance on him (and others) by the end of the night.

On March 27 2013 04:24 ObviousOne wrote:
Who else is scum besides me, Grack? Am I the only scum in this game?

I'm happy to be wrong about you if you would just do something more useful than tunnel me all day. You're just staying the course though and it bothers me.

I also don't like this reaction to my post. I literally made ONE post on him and all of a sudden I'm tunneling him all day? For somebody who is adamant that I am scum he either hasn't examined/analyzed my filter very closely or he is maliciously misconstruing my posts.

But....your stance wasn't neutral? You gave a rather detailed explanation of why you thought Palmar was town. That is the opposite of neutral.

Argg, why does everything you post feel so defensive and backpeddling-y :o


yeah, kinda interesting he says that when I just got finished thinking that he had overdone his town-read on Palmar.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 01:05 GMT
#673
On March 27 2013 10:02 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 09:56 Keirathi wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:48 Grackaroni wrote:
This game has honestly gotten me pretty flustered but I have no intention giving up. I feel completely unconfident in my reads so now I'm just going to start anew. I'm going to spend the next 4-5 hours carefully reading and analyzing the thread from the beginning until I can get some scum reads I feel truly confident about.

One thing that definitely needs correcting is my read on Palmar. I used to believe that Palmar was much lazier as scum and berated him pretty hard in a previous game for it. (and I was actually lucky and was correct that he was scum and he was being lazy) In reality Palmar is frequently lazy as town and has played several active scum games. My logic was flawed from the start when I thought that him being active in this game made him more likely to be town, it really doesn't. from an admittedly biased point of view right now, I think that Palmar has been fostering a bad town atmosphere and seems more focused. on getting people to sheep him than finding out whether his read is correct.

TLDR: I want to correct my previously flawed reasoning. I will take a less neutral stance on him (and others) by the end of the night.

On March 27 2013 04:24 ObviousOne wrote:
Who else is scum besides me, Grack? Am I the only scum in this game?

I'm happy to be wrong about you if you would just do something more useful than tunnel me all day. You're just staying the course though and it bothers me.

I also don't like this reaction to my post. I literally made ONE post on him and all of a sudden I'm tunneling him all day? For somebody who is adamant that I am scum he either hasn't examined/analyzed my filter very closely or he is maliciously misconstruing my posts.

But....your stance wasn't neutral? You gave a rather detailed explanation of why you thought Palmar was town. That is the opposite of neutral.

Argg, why does everything you post feel so defensive and backpeddling-y :o


I am starting to agree. This last post just seemed... pointless. It's a very longwinded way of saying "I am reanalysing" and a promise of future activity.

But I am left with the nagging question: if Palmar is town, why would a scum Grackaroni bother trying to backpedal his safe town read? And if they're scumbuddies, why has Palmar's only action this game been to bus Grack? Neither makes sense, so this only really makes sense if Grack is town.


Because his safe townread has earned him no credit with anyone in the game?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 01:15 GMT
#674
Ugh - I retract what I said about over-explained town-read. Palmar actually asked for an explanation about it like that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 01:30 GMT
#677
On March 27 2013 10:29 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
Ugh - I retract what I said about over-explained town-read. Palmar actually asked for an explanation about it like that.

This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me pissed off. If you are going to run around saying that I am the best lynch you should have at least put in the effort to read the actual exchange in the thread.


Are you complaining at me in particular? I've not said you're the best lynch, and I voluntarily corrected myself on something I missed on the first pass.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 01:31 GMT
#678
EBWOP: I would add, I already knew he asked you for your read on him, I'd just forgotten that he'd asked you to make a case about it as well.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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