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On March 27 2013 08:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 08:26 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 08:23 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 07:52 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 07:50 Palmar wrote:
I did not say his entrance was scum motivated, I said it was shitty. This can be either lazy town or lazy scum, but the lack of concrete opinions in his posts make me lean slight scum on him. But again, I'm not sure right now. I'll know better how to proceed tomorrow. Okay. I am aware that you have a sort of policy where you will lynch stupid as hard as you lynch scum so I just wanted to see where you were coming from on that. Correct me if I am wrong on this statement, but that's where I'm working from. I don't have any policy of the sort. In fact I consider one of the main objectives of mafia to be learning how to seperate stupid from scum. Maybe I misremembered your Hero mini clean read video or you just made it as a flippant comment. In either case, what do you make of Cora right now? He seems to WANT lynch votes on himself. I am undecided on Cora. I thought he was town during his first entrance into the thread but upon re-reading I'm not so sure. I don't think there is any way of conclusively calling him scum right now. I'd say he's a null to slight town read of mine, but it's a very cautious read, mostly based on his activity, so he could just be spammy mafia for all I know.
As an update on this read, based on the fact he seems somewhat worried about how other people perceive his input into the game I'm changing this to null/slight scum.
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On March 26 2013 10:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
I've already called out Rayn for being scummy, at least that has some decent thinking behind it.
On March 27 2013 00:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
I've already called Acro out for overreacting to things.
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On March 27 2013 09:13 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim? So you're saying that if he claimed green to protect himself as a blue, and then claimed his true role, you would lynch him?
Yes, unless of course he retracts his claim which he should do even if he's actually just vanilla town.
If you actually think claiming green can protect you as a blue, you're a dumbass.
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On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim? I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing?
That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well.
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On March 27 2013 09:22 Keirathi wrote:
Why are you just picking and choosing quotes to base reads off of, Palmar?
Because it's easier to pretend I'm reading the thread that way.
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On March 27 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ!
Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that.
Who of those guys are mafia?
There's a long time until the lynch. I choose to share the information and thoughts I have at my own pace. Now shoo.
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Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack.
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On March 27 2013 20:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. Which is? A townie motivation would be to use this lynch to lynch someone else instead of Grack and cause more discussion bla bla. Scum motivation would be to cause confusion? I dont know, please elaborate
Grack was the preliminary lynch, rarely does the person put under pressure on day 1 actually end up on the chopping block. I could give you multiple examples of this. There is no proper townie motivation to shoot the dude who gets put under pressure early in the game.
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On March 27 2013 21:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 21:19 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 20:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. Which is? A townie motivation would be to use this lynch to lynch someone else instead of Grack and cause more discussion bla bla. Scum motivation would be to cause confusion? I dont know, please elaborate Grack was the preliminary lynch, rarely does the person put under pressure on day 1 actually end up on the chopping block. I could give you multiple examples of this. There is no proper townie motivation to shoot the dude who gets put under pressure early in the game. So you didnt think he was scum? You dont sound like you were gonna push Grack today. Now who would you lynch after that weird nk? And yeah with anonymous vig, scum probably shot but thats not really the point.
No no, at the time I thought Grack was scum, or he was my best read. But I also re-evaluate the actual lynch on the second half of day 2 every time I play. Again, if you want me to I can point you to multiple instances of this.
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On March 27 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 21:31 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 21:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:19 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 20:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. Which is? A townie motivation would be to use this lynch to lynch someone else instead of Grack and cause more discussion bla bla. Scum motivation would be to cause confusion? I dont know, please elaborate Grack was the preliminary lynch, rarely does the person put under pressure on day 1 actually end up on the chopping block. I could give you multiple examples of this. There is no proper townie motivation to shoot the dude who gets put under pressure early in the game. So you didnt think he was scum? You dont sound like you were gonna push Grack today. Now who would you lynch after that weird nk? And yeah with anonymous vig, scum probably shot but thats not really the point. No no, at the time I thought Grack was scum, or he was my best read. But I also re-evaluate the actual lynch on the second half of day 2 every time I play. Again, if you want me to I can point you to multiple instances of this. Lol meta eh? So do you want to push Dandel Ion's target today? Or someone else?
I haven't decided.
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On March 27 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 21:37 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:31 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 21:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:19 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 20:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. Which is? A townie motivation would be to use this lynch to lynch someone else instead of Grack and cause more discussion bla bla. Scum motivation would be to cause confusion? I dont know, please elaborate Grack was the preliminary lynch, rarely does the person put under pressure on day 1 actually end up on the chopping block. I could give you multiple examples of this. There is no proper townie motivation to shoot the dude who gets put under pressure early in the game. So you didnt think he was scum? You dont sound like you were gonna push Grack today. Now who would you lynch after that weird nk? And yeah with anonymous vig, scum probably shot but thats not really the point. No no, at the time I thought Grack was scum, or he was my best read. But I also re-evaluate the actual lynch on the second half of day 2 every time I play. Again, if you want me to I can point you to multiple instances of this. Lol meta eh? So do you want to push Dandel Ion's target today? Or someone else? I haven't decided. Why are all the influential people so tightfisted with their reads. WHY? ??? ?? Dandel Ion, im sorry this doesnt include you. Or me. Or anyone except palmar and marv
uncertain doesn't mean tightfisted
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On March 27 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 22:25 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:37 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:31 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 21:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:19 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 20:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. Which is? A townie motivation would be to use this lynch to lynch someone else instead of Grack and cause more discussion bla bla. Scum motivation would be to cause confusion? I dont know, please elaborate Grack was the preliminary lynch, rarely does the person put under pressure on day 1 actually end up on the chopping block. I could give you multiple examples of this. There is no proper townie motivation to shoot the dude who gets put under pressure early in the game. So you didnt think he was scum? You dont sound like you were gonna push Grack today. Now who would you lynch after that weird nk? And yeah with anonymous vig, scum probably shot but thats not really the point. No no, at the time I thought Grack was scum, or he was my best read. But I also re-evaluate the actual lynch on the second half of day 2 every time I play. Again, if you want me to I can point you to multiple instances of this. Lol meta eh? So do you want to push Dandel Ion's target today? Or someone else? I haven't decided. Why are all the influential people so tightfisted with their reads. WHY? ??? ?? Dandel Ion, im sorry this doesnt include you. Or me. Or anyone except palmar and marv uncertain doesn't mean tightfisted Tell me about Nisani and prplhz, Palmar.
Think I already stated how I feel about prplhz.
Nisani I tend to ignore, same as sinani.
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I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
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This game is way too hard.
Not 100% sure on how to proceed. Maybe we should just lynch marv and see what he bleeds.
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On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT.
actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work.
Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really.
Can you tell us how to proceed?
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On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work. Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really. Can you tell us how to proceed? By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick. Mostly SnB answering my question. I dont like dickish behaviour. grr.
You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue.
Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after?
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On March 27 2013 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:36 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work. Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really. Can you tell us how to proceed? By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick. Mostly SnB answering my question. I dont like dickish behaviour. grr. You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue. Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after? Why you gotta be so mean. The problem is that I dont really have any strong scummy opinions on anyone else. Now that I think about it, Acro in Personality was a lot more 'flowy'(went with the flow) than here so I dont really think he is scum even if he is rude. Nisani seems like lynchbait/noob scum, do you want to try and change my mind? Prp is town. Umm. yeah.
Acro isn't scum, I think that's a very long reach.
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On March 27 2013 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I want to lynch OO or Oats. OO for reasons i stated earlier in the game and his behaviour after that (don't worry, i'll answer your case when i have more time). Oats for not having a clear train of thought for the whole game. He does another 180 out of the blue. Who can figure out where?
As for the day-vig. I see no scum motivation behind the shot because imo mafia would have shot like anyone else than Grack. Only reason i could think of is if they want to cast doubt on Palmar (assuming Palmar is town) and that's too much WIFOM in my eyes.
Oats is almost definitely not scum and I don't think OO is scum although I'm much less sure on that one.
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On March 27 2013 23:44 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:36 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work. Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really. Can you tell us how to proceed? By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick. Mostly SnB answering my question. I dont like dickish behaviour. grr. You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue. Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after? Why you gotta be so mean. The problem is that I dont really have any strong scummy opinions on anyone else. Now that I think about it, Acro in Personality was a lot more 'flowy'(went with the flow) than here so I dont really think he is scum even if he is rude. Nisani seems like lynchbait/noob scum, do you want to try and change my mind? Prp is town. Umm. yeah. how about we lynch marv then. he real rude and dickish always.
Except he isn't right now. Which is what worries me.
As marv himself recognized I'm taking the "sit back but watch" approach to looking at him, but we're closing in on lynch time and he doesn't really seem to care how the lynch goes.
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Just to keep everyone on board, I'm not willing to lynch into Oats, Acro, DI, Keirathi, Hapa, and probably obviousone
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On March 27 2013 23:57 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar Why isn't Acrofales scum?
Did you read his posting so far? He's very clearly reading the thread and putting effort in his posts. Even if he is scum, which is a possibility (him realizing marv might be burned by the Personality mafia stuff and his response to my case on Grack are both somewhat strange), he is not playing scum you can catch without any information.
I cannot say he isn't scum, but I can say I'm not lynching him right now.
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