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On March 27 2013 13:13 ObviousOne wrote:
Some feed back on my choice words against Rayn would be nice right now. People who are here? Any feedback would be appreciated.
Your case has some merit. THe "grudgingly giving reasons" in particular. But other points still stand in rayn's favor too: he's been active, aggressive, not shy or timid. I'm content to let him live for today and see what he does later.
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On March 27 2013 14:25 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
You/Grack are the worst offenders, overall.
Grack's continued disappearance despite promising some sort of reads post is highly concerning. I think the dude is scum who knows he's caught.
I am not voting for prp, but I want to talk to Hapa about that.
Why is cora one of the worst offenders?
I actually think it's pretty damn likely that he's town. He's....defiant, for lack of a better word. You said earlier that you thought he was scum because he was tunneling rayne even though most of the thread disagreed with him (how does that make someone scum, btw?). But, look at his attitude. He's constantly aggressive about it. He doesn't apologize, or back down from having a read that people disagree with. (Well, okay, he does back down eventually, but for what I would consider decent reasoning). He stands up to marv and calls him out on his bullshit wishy-washy stances.
Pretty prototypical townie mindset, imo. So please, explain.
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On March 27 2013 14:47 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 14:35 Hapahauli wrote:
If anything, Nomination Mini supports my case. If you think low activity is alignment indicative out of prplhz, you're wrong. While it's true that he's done little this game, he isn't acting trollish or distant with town when he is posting, as he does normally when he's mafia. He posts little and rarely as both alignments.
So why did you specifically refer to Nomination?
Literally nothing about his play in Nomination is similar to his play in this game (unless you want to say that in his first post he gave some general advice). He's active/engaging in the thread. Calling people out and questioning motives, and giving some personal insight into a lot of different things.
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EBWOP: I mean, he was all of those things in Nomination. None of them here.
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On March 27 2013 15:11 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Hapa, you scum bro?
Like, I just posted one of his fucking reads. Holy balls.
Where? Cause I don't see one either.
Talking about Acro? He doesn't give any reasoning. Hell, he doesn't even say he thinks Acro is scum. He asks if anyone thinks Acro is town. That's not a read, that's fishing for thread sentiment.
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On March 27 2013 15:21 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Lol, if you just want to ignore what I've posted and say they aren't reads, go ahead. It's still more like town prplhz than scum prplhz if you manage to look at it beyond a biased perspective.
I'm not sure what you think constitute "reads", but I've been looking at prplhz's filter trying to decipher.
On March 27 2013 05:18 prplhz wrote:
@Keirathi @strongandbig
I voted Grackaroni for all the reasons presented by Palmar, Hapahauli and Keirathi. I liked them all. He's also the best lynch.
I haven't been around much so far which is the explanation for why I didn't post a lot. Just got up to date on the thread. My Grackaroni vote was around page 16 and nothing has changed my mind since that.
Maybe you can call this a read. I would disagree, it's just a sheep and he doesn't give any opinions about Grack of his own. But, whatevs, moving on.
On March 27 2013 05:31 prplhz wrote:
@strongandbig I didn't really follow the raynpelikoneet debacles because he's posting a lot and picking fights with everybody and he's grandmother and that's a plus for now.
Okay, this is a real read. A town read, not a scum read, but I will grant you that its a read.
On March 27 2013 11:19 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then. lol see what the hell is this. I thought he was town but nobody is going to listen to me so now I'll just vote for town. Some people do that when they get frustrated. I think he's frustrated and that's why he's doing it.@Palmar Why is Acrofales town?
On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote:
If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers.
About the bolded part, you could almost call that a read. Except, its not. It's just an observation. Doesn't say anything about what he thinks about Grack's alignment (and remember, he was already sheeping the vote onto Grack, and ostensibly thinks that Grack is scum).
The parts about Acro: well, it does seem that he is implying that he doesn't think Acro is town. But why? What reasoning? A half-ass read at best.
And...that's it.
Now, lets look at Nomination that you're so fond of referencing:
On February 06 2013 21:50 prplhz wrote:
I'm on page 15 and scrolling down and seeing who is discussing I just want to say something really quick.
Oatsmaster, Mocsta: Stop focusing on each other. Just by your activity neither of you are up for lynch right now so stop focusing on each other. Whatever useful you could be doing by arguing with each other you've done it by now so quit it and stop messing the thread up. It is bloating the thread and for hardly any reason. Take a deep breath and a step back and focus on something else, if you want better reads on each other then just reread your discussion, I'm sure there's something you missed.
Alright going to read page 15 now.
But seriously, quit it and do something else.
Two activity based town reads, and some advice.
On February 06 2013 22:43 prplhz wrote:
No, I'm implying that if we were to discuss who to lynch right now it would be silly to consider the two most active people unless we have a pretty decent case and we don't. I'm not going to lynch Oatsmaster right now because he has a great deal of activity and it's going to be harder for him to keep up appearances as scum later on like that. I also think he has showed a good amount of interest in this game, by fervor as well as insight, so townie points for him.
Expanding more on his townie read.
On February 07 2013 22:32 prplhz wrote:Something rubs me the wrong way about jaybrundage and his case on Djodref. No one else really reacted strongly to Djodref's silly random vote because everybody knew what it was: some sort of scheme to draw out scum. Pretty rediculous but at least he doing something. jaybrundage also acknowledges this himself here but he still uses it as a reason to vote Djodref. This gives him a place to put his vote and even though he's since gradually recanted this (like here), he hasn't unvoted. It seems like he is trying to keep the Djodref door open while not pushing it and not wanting to actually push anything else. It doesn't seem like a townie thinking "fuck yea, i nailed this cracker and it's so obvious! now i just have to get everybody else to listen to me!", more like "cool, i can just put my vote on him and then chill". How do you guys feel about jaybrundage?
A solid scum read, with logic and quotes to back it up. Hell, this one singular post has more thought and effort put into it than anything prplhz has posted thus far in this game.
On February 07 2013 23:13 prplhz wrote:
I agree with Oatsmaster that JieXian doesn't look scum so I don't want to vote for him. He looks like a guy who isn't around and his activity so far doesn't spell out scum to me.
Another town read.
Anyways, need I go on? There's a huge difference in the amount of actual scumhunting/analysis/opinions from prplhz in this game compared to Nomination. I don't see where your big town read is coming from at all.
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On March 27 2013 15:43 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
You guys are going from town games and saying it's somewhat different, when I'm going from a scum game and showing how it is ACTUALLY DIFFERENT.
Seriously.
One scum game does not a scum meta make. Just like one town game does not a town meta make. I'm only giving you quotes specifically from Nomination because YOU BROUGHT IT UP. I can go link other town prplhz quotes to back me up if you want.
And, your point completely falls apart when you look at other scum prplhz games. Hell, look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925 and compare it with LIX. They don't look alike.
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On March 27 2013 15:49 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 15:46 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
The overwhelming consensus is against town dayvigs shooting on day 1.
Looks like a blue snipe to me, honestly. So you never liked to follow the overwhelming consensus? Just like you shot Kei in Personality?
:o
I wasn't in personality.
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On March 27 2013 15:51 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 15:47 Keirathi wrote:On March 27 2013 15:43 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
You guys are going from town games and saying it's somewhat different, when I'm going from a scum game and showing how it is ACTUALLY DIFFERENT.
Seriously. One scum game does not a scum meta make. Just like one town game does not a town meta make. I'm only giving you quotes specifically from Nomination because YOU BROUGHT IT UP. I can go link other town prplhz quotes to back me up if you want. And, your point completely falls apart when you look at other scum prplhz games. Hell, look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925 and compare it with LIX. They don't look alike. It looks the fucking same. Defending himself, stupid policy lynch idea, etc. Like, can you even read? FROM GSL: Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 07:26 prplhz wrote:On September 05 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
na I like to make you bitches work for it day1 policy lynch imo Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 06:09 prplhz wrote:
@Risen
Could you please tell me why you are voting me? Your explanation appears to be some metaphor that doesn't make any sense to me. Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 06:31 prplhz wrote:Fuck it. I can't believe that Risen can be serious about this. It's three posts into the game and the two posts before me were nonsense. He is actually trying to make a full case on me and I just can't believe he is serious about this. No benefit of the dumb here. Contrast this with his first vote in his latest game (clink). It's a pressure vote for someone who made a dumb vote but it's a while into the game and it's got more of a "whim" feeling about it. This looks a lot more careful but [u]we're three dumb posts into the game. I just can't believe this. ##Vote Risen FROM LIX: Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 10:43 prplhz wrote:
i am running for mayor
i will lynch chezinu
that's non negotiable
@Vivax Why are you running for mayor? All you say is "I might do this, I might do that, I don't like scum, vote for me." and it seems like you don't know why you are running for mayor either. Why would we put you into office over these vets that you're not going to lynch because of how valuable they are to town? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 04:53 prplhz wrote:
@DearestSnot I don't like the idea of lynching me. Why do you want to lynch me? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 09:47 prplhz wrote:
when no one has posted chezinu is clearly the best lynch. the guy is a lunatic in more ways than i care to know about and most importantly, he never seems very occupied with anything but himself and his lunacy and this makes for bad reads on him. if you don't want to get read then i believe it's a lot harder to play with you and chezinu is one of these (maybe the only one).
why would i "delurk" when you call me out but not when sandroba called me out? that makes no sense, sandroba is SANDROBA and you're just some german with a low post count. it makes a lot more sense that i was just around at that particular time especially considering that it was around 6pm iirc.
no i'm not worrying too much about who to lynch right now. i read gonzaw and he seems like a perfectly good mayor candidate to me and the scum reads i have are pretty i'm not sure about them at all. that's why i asked who he wanted to lynch, so i could read up on that person. i don't see the JX thing that sandro sees.
i don't really care for you irrationally going for me because i seem to recall that you do that i most of your games. i think it's really weird that you're not spamming more though but maybe that's because you were smurfing and you didn't want to play like you usually do, you picked it up after you revealed yourself. Looks like a fucking scum meta to me! [/url]
Are you fucking serious?
For one: that "policy lynch" you talked about WAS BEFORE THE FUCKING GAME EVEN STARTED.
So basically your town read on prplhz boils down to "defends himself when scum".
Quit misusing meta. I'm done with this conversation.
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On March 28 2013 02:18 Palmar wrote:I'm not on his team. Anyway, I am not going to be able to catch much up until in a few hours. Marv suggested smurf and nisani who are both null reads in my notes (although I'm feeling unusually uncertain about my reads this game, not sure what's going on). the remaining people who are leaning scum in this sheet btw are sinani, marv, prplhz, corazon and rayn (who I've changed my mind on)I'm feeling there's at most 2-3 scum in this list though, so at least 2-3 scum are evading my suspicions.
Why are you not pushing any of those people then? :o
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On March 28 2013 04:12 marvellosity wrote:
Beeteedubs, Keirathi is probably mafia.
What in the actual fuck?
Why aren't you voting for me? Why haven't you engaged me to try to figure out my alignment? Why are you just randomly throwing my name out?
I call bullshit.
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On March 28 2013 04:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Vote for Sinani
You will be rewarded with townie points.
Meh. I'm looking in his filter and I just don't see the grand scum agenda that you seem to. He's pretty firmly null to me.
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On March 28 2013 04:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:12 marvellosity wrote:
Beeteedubs, Keirathi is probably mafia. What in the actual fuck? Why aren't you voting for me? Why haven't you engaged me to try to figure out my alignment? Why are you just randomly throwing my name out? I call bullshit. This post also supports my case. Keirathi makes another post attacking me, and yet has still said nothing at all about prplhz.
"Another" post attacking you?
I've made 2 posts since I got to the computer this morning. One about Palmar that was on the last page before I started reading the 6 pages of posts since I went to sleep last night. And now this one about you. So, please, expand.
As far as prplhz, I just hadn't gotten around to writing up a post yet. I still contend that early game prplhz was everything that I know differentiates scum prplhz from town prplhz (lack of interest in the thread, little to no actual scumhunting/analysis, lack of care for town). Since he has come back, he is the completely opposite. I'm more than fine with his current play.
##Unvote
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On March 28 2013 04:40 marvellosity wrote:
By another post attacking me, I meant another post not related to prplhz.
I don't believe that you "hadn't got around to it" when your first post today was hours ago now.
2 hours. Do you really want a play by play of what I was doing in those 2 hours?
I took a shower, ate lunch, had a call from my mom, and spent about an hour catching up on the thread I missed while I was asleep.
Seriously, how the fuck does that make me scum. Go on.
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On March 28 2013 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi
And why do YOU think I am scum. Sheeping marv is not a "reason". Give me a reason.
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On March 28 2013 04:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:44 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:40 marvellosity wrote:
By another post attacking me, I meant another post not related to prplhz.
I don't believe that you "hadn't got around to it" when your first post today was hours ago now. 2 hours. Do you really want a play by play of what I was doing in those 2 hours? I took a shower, ate lunch, had a call from my mom, and spent about an hour catching up on the thread I missed while I was asleep. Seriously, how the fuck does that make me scum. Go on. Because your first priority as a townie should be finding out / expanding upon your read. I might even accept that the first time you came into the thread to have a jab at Palmar you didn't read the thread yet and went to have lunch or whatever. However your 2nd post, after you did all this, was having a jab at me. You didn't mention prplhz at all there, and you should have. You did respond to Hapa about sinani for some reason though.
Fine, you have a fair point.
I'm not sure who I want to lynch now. I intended to write up my post explaining why I was unvoting prplhz, and transition in the same post into who I DID want to lynch.
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On March 28 2013 04:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:52 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi And why do YOU think I am scum. Sheeping marv is not a "reason". Give me a reason. Why the fixation for reasons? Basically cause you pushed prp for almost the whole of day 1, really hard, shutting down everyone who defended him then after like 3 posts from prp, and town sentiment shifting, you give up. What. Also the most important point, clearly, is that you have a 3 page filter. A 3 PAGE FILTER.
I pushed prplhz for the whole of day 1? What the hell?
I was on Grack for the first 24 hours.
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On March 28 2013 04:59 ObviousOne wrote:
Just woke up and caught up.
If it's between Kei and Sinani I'll go with the former
Keirathi laughed off my suspicions of him early game and I thought that was related to a conversation we had pre-game where he told me to make silly cases. His response was "I've created a monster" and to me it looked like he was simply laughing it off in an offhandedly way -- as if my suspicions were just completely unfounded and terribly reasoned -- which later convinced me to drop it when nobody really commented on it.
As for Sinani I'm okay with lynching him based on participation level this game, the meta stuff doesn't fascinate me too terribly much in his case when I can barely remember he's even playing the game.
Again, I want to lynch Keirathi over Sinani.
I was laughing it off. Because your points WERE completely unfounded and terribly reasoned.
Your "case" boiled down to "Keir isn't playing day 1 like he did in Hydra". I literally had a total of like 15 posts in day 1 in Hydra; half of those were spam, and half were getting into an argument with mocsta defending marv/myself.
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On March 28 2013 05:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:00 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:52 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi And why do YOU think I am scum. Sheeping marv is not a "reason". Give me a reason. Why the fixation for reasons? Basically cause you pushed prp for almost the whole of day 1, really hard, shutting down everyone who defended him then after like 3 posts from prp, and town sentiment shifting, you give up. What. Also the most important point, clearly, is that you have a 3 page filter. A 3 PAGE FILTER. I pushed prplhz for the whole of day 1? What the hell? I was on Grack for the first 24 hours. Is that the only thing you can say?? What about marv's 'concerns'?
I already replied to marv.
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On March 28 2013 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:05 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 05:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 05:00 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:52 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi And why do YOU think I am scum. Sheeping marv is not a "reason". Give me a reason. Why the fixation for reasons? Basically cause you pushed prp for almost the whole of day 1, really hard, shutting down everyone who defended him then after like 3 posts from prp, and town sentiment shifting, you give up. What. Also the most important point, clearly, is that you have a 3 page filter. A 3 PAGE FILTER. I pushed prplhz for the whole of day 1? What the hell? I was on Grack for the first 24 hours. Is that the only thing you can say?? What about marv's 'concerns'? I already replied to marv. By saying nothing incriminating and being all nice, same with mine. Kinda, by objecting to a non-relevant part of my reasoning. Where is the post with your reads that you were promising?
I wasn't objecting to the non-relevant part of your reasoning. I was objecting to the only part of your reasoning that was actually coherent. "What is with your obsession with reasons?" and "You have a 3 page filter." are not valid reasons at all, and not worth responding to.
Anyways, I'm really not feeling the sinani push.
My preferred lynch today would be Smurf. The way he was just so absolutely sure that prplhz was town when Hapa and I were both arguing the opposite really feels like he knows alignments already.
If Smurf isn't happening, I am really unsure past that. I would consolidate to Nisani to secure a lynch, but i don't feel super strong about it either. He could be scum, but mostly he's just a lurker to me.
Marv is being useless, Palmar has like 10 scumreads but isn't pushing any of them or doing anything.
S&B: Where the hell is he in all this? I could get behind lynching him too.
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