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On March 26 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 21:38 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 26 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 26 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum? Absence of towntells is the biggest reason. Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically. He's also not doing shit. And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true. In all seriousness, who are your scumreads? I just said that my reads are serious. I dunno why you think they are not serious. I'd like to point to Personality, where I identified the dude as town ~halfway into d1 or so, when I replaced in. So obviously, my towntells actually work. Thats not the point. The point is that absence of town tells doesnt mean the existence of scum. Which is proven by Duel. I think they arent serious cause 1. You are dandel Ion 2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1 3. You have to have more than 1 read right?
It is clearly a futile exercise to even try and explain anything to you.
So I'll stop trying to.
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On March 26 2013 21:42 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 26 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum? Absence of towntells is the biggest reason. Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically. He's also not doing shit. And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true. In all seriousness, who are your scumreads? It was also completely wrong there, because Marv looked townie in Duel. But I still advocate prudence. Getting into a tunnelfest with Marv is not going to help town. A better argument is that he didn't look townie in MTG 2 and DI and I tunneled him into oblivion, when he was actually town. DI, why are you convinced he's scum THIS game?
I have my reasons.
I know I'm not a cool enough kid to get him lynched d1, so I'm not going to talk much about marv anymore.
I may have to deal with him like I did in Themed, when it comes to it.
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I'm glad people see how scum Smurfdude is.
Cause that dude is scum. Guaranteed.
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On March 26 2013 23:53 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
No, I was specifically told that I ignored all of Dandel's town games, which I did not. Nor did I ever claim to be the authority on his meta, I simply found similarity between his most recent scum game and this game and drew a hasty conclusion that I have since seen as faulty.
Like I said, my experience with town Dandel is that he does make decent reads that have some sort of logic behind them. I had seen none of that at that point, so I made known my suspicion of him. The jury is still out on that one, but he looks better for having some reason for attacking Marv than he did before.
Horseshit.
You were doing this: "let's see how scum Dandel normally opens his games!
Oh my that looks similar to this game!
I won't even check any of his town games and call him scum just for the hell of it hey guys look how protown and scumhunting I am!"
Now you do this: "Oh shit I made a terrible case on a townie BACKPEDALBACKPEDAL"
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On March 26 2013 23:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:46 strongandbig wrote:On March 26 2013 21:16 Acrofales wrote:
Because he takes some stuff which is not indicative of alignment at all and calls it scummy. + Show Spoiler [keirathi's case post] +On March 26 2013 15:08 Keirathi wrote:Anyways, I'm much more interested in Grack right now. I wasn't particularly awed by Palmar's vote/case and Hapa's input, but his interactions afterward have been much worse IMO. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:
Hello thread.
I have concluded that Grackaroni is scum. Please lynch him.
##Vote Grackaroni Any reason in particular? He doesn't call out the bullshit vote. He panics, and questions it to figure out what he did wrong. I don't know any townie who reacts to a random vote on themselves by saying "OH GOD WHAT DID I DO?" Some get mad at the 'bad' play, some ignore it completely, and some vote the person back. But, even more than that: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:24 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 11:19 Palmar wrote:
If you're town I'm about to mislynch you grack. Do something to convince me you're not scum. I really don't think you will. Give me something in the thread you want me to respond to and I will give you my opinion. (not much has stood out to me so far). By the way I'm just curious. Do you remember me from any other games? He's looking for a way out. He doesn't volunteer information, he wants to know what information Palmar wants, so that he can give the "right" answer, rather than a "real" answer. And finally: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:37 Grackaroni wrote:
You are problably town. This is the most interest I've seen you take in scumhunting in a long time. (even though I haven't played recently I've tried to keep reading games.)
I can see why that post may have looked scummy. I didn't make my message clear and it looked like I wasn't giving any opinion. I intended for it to be directed at Sinani because I believe him using that as a reason to push the lynch onto OO is much scummier than OO actually not reading his role PM.
the only hesitation I have (and it's a small one) is that in Werewolves I walked into the pm chat and you (as scum) just said that I was scummy after one line and used pushing me as your way of contributing to the thread. (it's possible that you are looking for me to omgus in a fit of anger and dig my own grave)
Despite this hesitation I do believe your posting is townie and I think you want to scumhunt but some past experiences with you do scare me. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 12:49 strongandbig wrote:On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town.
@ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion? u scum bro? No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. The bolded points feel like more "oh crap, I re-read my posts and realize I made some mistakes. Time for damage control". Like, he was already looking back at his posts to see how they LOOKED. His first reaction was to apologize for how they were perceived. THEN he explains himself better. It betrays his mindset of caring about his appearance. How can you say that this stuff is not alignment indicative? "Caring more about looking townie than actually helping town" is like the *definition* of alignment indicative. I'm seeing a lot I don't like from acro at the moment. Also yeah I've been getting uber shat on but it would be cool if prplhz showed up sometime in the next few hours and posted some stuff. There's quite a lot that he could actually comment on now productively and without unnecessarily cluttering the thread again. Because that's not at all the way I read those posts. 1. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:
Hello thread.
I have concluded that Grackaroni is scum. Please lynch him.
##Vote Grackaroni Any reason in particular? Keirathi says this is a scummy response. I don't see why. Palmar places an unjustified vote, and Grack asks why. Null. 2. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:24 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 11:19 Palmar wrote:
If you're town I'm about to mislynch you grack. Do something to convince me you're not scum. I really don't think you will. Give me something in the thread you want me to respond to and I will give you my opinion. (not much has stood out to me so far). By the way I'm just curious. Do you remember me from any other games? By focusing only on the second sentence, Keirathi transforms the meaning imho. I read it as "BRING IT. Anything in particular you want to talk about?" This doesn't mean he won't talk otherwise. Anyway, insecure people looking for guidance from their town reads is not a scumtell. Hence: null. 3. Admitting failure. Yeah, still not scum. It's simply an approach to playing the game. Seen plenty of townies, and scummers, do this. Null tell. And that was the entirety of Keirathi's fantabulous case. Big fucking load of bunk.
I like u
But I still won't give you back the fusion dance. That has to be earned properly.
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On March 27 2013 00:08 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 26 2013 23:53 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
No, I was specifically told that I ignored all of Dandel's town games, which I did not. Nor did I ever claim to be the authority on his meta, I simply found similarity between his most recent scum game and this game and drew a hasty conclusion that I have since seen as faulty.
Like I said, my experience with town Dandel is that he does make decent reads that have some sort of logic behind them. I had seen none of that at that point, so I made known my suspicion of him. The jury is still out on that one, but he looks better for having some reason for attacking Marv than he did before. Horseshit. You were doing this: "let's see how scum Dandel normally opens his games! Oh my that looks similar to this game! I won't even check any of his town games and call him scum just for the hell of it hey guys look how protown and scumhunting I am!" Now you do this: "Oh shit I made a terrible case on a townie BACKPEDALBACKPEDAL" In my case on you I clearly said I expected better from you, Dandel. My experience from the first British and Personality is that you aren't just a troll, but as I see you just need time to flower.
And why did you need to make a shitty case to realize this "experience"?
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On March 27 2013 00:13 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 00:08 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 26 2013 23:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 26 2013 23:53 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
No, I was specifically told that I ignored all of Dandel's town games, which I did not. Nor did I ever claim to be the authority on his meta, I simply found similarity between his most recent scum game and this game and drew a hasty conclusion that I have since seen as faulty.
Like I said, my experience with town Dandel is that he does make decent reads that have some sort of logic behind them. I had seen none of that at that point, so I made known my suspicion of him. The jury is still out on that one, but he looks better for having some reason for attacking Marv than he did before. Horseshit. You were doing this: "let's see how scum Dandel normally opens his games! Oh my that looks similar to this game! I won't even check any of his town games and call him scum just for the hell of it hey guys look how protown and scumhunting I am!" Now you do this: "Oh shit I made a terrible case on a townie BACKPEDALBACKPEDAL" In my case on you I clearly said I expected better from you, Dandel. My experience from the first British and Personality is that you aren't just a troll, but as I see you just need time to flower. And why did you need to make a shitty case to realize this "experience"? Because there are times when you call people out for posting like idiots at the start of the game, and this was one of them. I initially thought it might be alignment indicative but I've since been proven wrong. You can fault me for not doing more research, but I did think I was more familiar with you than I was.
Yes, in fact I do fault you for that. Thanks.
Your reasoning being "I'm dumb and arrogant at the same time" doesn't help at all.
Cora, I'm unimpressed. Very unimpressed.
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On March 27 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
In all honesty this thread has still been ridiculously chaotic. After the tragedy that was Personality Mafia, I'm trying to only post when I have thoughts and cases to make. Right now we are just switching from one lynch target to the other and not really getting anything done besides calling each other scum. As much as the hosts love to troll, I don't think that they made everyone scum. Sorry guys.
I agree with you Dandel, although I'm not sure for the same reasons. This part of the post reads particularly weirdly to me; this is not my impression of the game so far at all. While we're still missing a few players posting in earnest, what we've had so far is actually pretty productive and cogent for this stage of the game.
That's a bad sign.
For either of us.
I hope you know that.
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On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay.
Hey, I totally didn't post half the posts I originally wanted to post/typed out.
I'm trying really hard over here.
Go find scum. Your post is completely useless, and the hypocricy hurts my brain.
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On March 27 2013 01:43 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. Hey, I totally didn't post half the posts I originally wanted to post/typed out. I'm trying really hard over here. Go find scum. Your post is completely useless, and the hypocricy hurts my brain.
I would also like to add that I tend to get mislynched if I don't spam, so I'm actually pro-town in doing it.
And my filter is barely 3 pages.
I mean, that's so little.
I really don't get your problem.
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On March 27 2013 01:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:46 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 01:43 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. Hey, I totally didn't post half the posts I originally wanted to post/typed out. I'm trying really hard over here. Go find scum. Your post is completely useless, and the hypocricy hurts my brain. I would also like to add that I tend to get mislynched if I don't spam, so I'm actually pro-town in doing it. And my filter is barely 3 pages. I mean, that's so little. I really don't get your problem. I would like to add that quoting your own posts makes it seem like you are talking to yourself, and that confuses me... Lotta stuff has been thrown around but who is the n1 candidate people want to lynch? ANYBODY?
See, snb, like that.
I already had a post written out that said
"I really don't think you need any incentive to be confused"
But then I decided that it was useless and didn't need posting so I didn't post it only now i post it so you know i could have posted it but decided against it even though i did in the end but only to make a point.
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On March 27 2013 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
Some updates.
I like Smurf's more recent participation. Pressure on Cora feels good. Still don't like his stance on DI, and it depends on how good a player Smurf is, whether this is something that can be excused, or is an obvious scumtell. I want to know who he is.
It's yamato.
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On March 27 2013 04:14 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:On March 27 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. What 'pressure' do you propose exactly? He's either mafia or he is not mafia. Whether you approve of his play or not, do you think he's mafia? If so, why? If not, what are you trying to achieve here? Right now, I'm null on his alignment. I want him to change the way he's posting. The longer he continues without changing it, the more likely that he's doing it because he's scum trying to mess up our thread. So the 'pressure' is less of a "I SAY YOU ARE MAFIA NOW REACT/DANCE FOR ME" and more of a "you are doing this thing that has a clear scum motivation and no town motivation, stop doing it or I will be forced to conclude you're doing it because of the scum motivation rather than without thinking about it." "Your town meta is scummy and I will want to lynch you if you continue playing like you normally do as town" ok s&b. What's wrong with this logic? Spam is bad for town. Everyone else is making an effort to interact meaningfully with the thread rather than spam. Why can't we ask him to change his methodology and play in a way that is better for town?
Why can't you look for actual scum instead? That'd be real good for town.
For all your big and "protown" words, you are not doing "better" in any way.
I wish people would stop being such hypocrites.
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Are nisani and sinani actually the same person, or buttbuddies or something like that?
that's vitally important for me to know and not a joke.
+ Show Spoiler +I should start adding that last line to all my posts, mb it'd help.
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On March 27 2013 04:45 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nisani: Why does Smurf look town now? He never looked scum. The case he made was scumbait, it didn't catch anyone, he backpedaled, and now he's contributing to the thread.
Well that's your interpretation and I gotta say, I disagree with it.
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On March 27 2013 04:53 Palmar wrote:I think reyn is town 
yeah same, but I'm not as unhappy about it.
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Don't y'all just love how pro-town snb is being right now?
Dude totally tries to find scum. totally.
pro-town guys.
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On March 27 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:
Actually, the whole think-before-you-post thing is coming to me now. If Smurf is Yamato, then based on Personality 2, he should have some idea of how DI plays as town, and therefore his question is an insincere coverup for the shitty case.
That is a good point.
I "trolled" a bit less at my entrance in Personality, for reasons (mainly that I was replacing).
I am, however, still sure that smurf is both yamato and scum.
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On March 27 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato?
does it matter?
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On March 27 2013 07:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 07:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato? does it matter? Yes, because knowing it was yamato would help my read on him, but as it is I'm not sure in the slightest it's him. So if it is, I'd like to know how/why you think so.
It'd be an awesome opportunity to free yourself from the shackles of meta though.
You could be free.
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