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On April 04 2013 20:23 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
I just think that rayn is legit 3P
like his wincon could be he has to kill all the masons but if he survives to the end of the game, he wins.
Or something else,
I just dont see how his wincon is town unless its for an arbitrary reason that you didnt want 3P in this game.
But that was his wincon, just with another tricky part: it was town that needed to win for him to win as well.
Hi Kurumi! Thanks for hosting. Apart from night finishing way too early yesterday, I was very happy with the timeliness of the deadlines and responses to questions I had in PM.
I don't think rayn's role was a good role for town or himself. The win condition (kill 4 townies...) is simply way too conflicting with town's goal in general. I can imagine he didn't shoot town N2 for fear of losing the entire game for town then and there. And if the vote-rigged double lynch hadn't happened, then he probably wouldn't have had the time to kill everyone off. I guess his role explains his kinda weird shot on Grack where he'd been convinced he was town previously. It's tough playing with a town player who in many ways has mafia motives (killing off townies). I really feel his role would have been more interesting as a mafia role, with less KP attached to it.
The vote-rigged double lynch made the game draining for town because the rest of the game was pretty much set. Mostly it was all about finding the "4th" mafia after Smurf/Acro/sinani. Oops for us!
I would say that I was pretty much 100% convinced that prplhz was town when it was clear Smurf was mafia. I've never seen a mafia hard-defend another mafia on meta like that, so passionately, with so many examples. It was just so clearly a case of knowledge of alignments. There are a couple of reasons mafia defend town, one of the main ones being town cred, but also because during a game it's nice for mafia just to be passionate and right about something. It was clear to me that yamato believed in what he was saying. Not a chance prplhz was mafia from that point onwards.
Well done to Hapa day 1 for picking out sinani, that was a nice catch. In retrospect, I wish I'd pushed yamato, but I only remembered one piece to that puzzle during Night 1 or so, that yamato generally hates to push lurkers, he goes for the more active players; this is prevalent throughout his games. If I'd remembered this Day 1 I'd probably have pushed him instead of Nisani.
Well done to Kei too for catching Acro during Day 2. I was in the process of revising all my reads, and when I went and looked back at everything Acro had said about me after reading Kei's case, his alignment became clear too.
From a personal point of view, I was very unsure of my reads until Day 2, and it's one reason I was somewhat passive. Not being sure of my reads, my number 1 goal was to avoid a repeat of Personality 2 where I almost singlehandedly led town to their doom. This town had plenty of other town leaders that weren't me. I understand why people thought I might be mafia for it, but meh.
Anyway, sorry for getting on rayn/Oats' asses, I had 3 mafia and I was looking for a 4th that simply wasn't there ^_^
edit: oh, and s&b and my one-shot actions were boss 
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On April 04 2013 21:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Most of my thoughts about the game are in the Obs qt including how I figured out Marv was town.
Fun game, lots of interesting roles. Probably could bump this up a few players and make it even more chaotic/fun!
Thanks to Kurumi for being Polish and hosting.
Thanks to everyone for an interesting game.
Heh, interesting. Off my game in Fruity?  I pushed Hopeless (town), Toad (mafia), Vivax (mafia), voted yamato (mafia) and then pushed Toad (mafia). Jeez
And Acro - "lucky" roleblock? pssht, nothing lucky about it at all.
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Impossible to balance if everyone's blue. Even in the most blue games, PYP, people end up being vanilla.
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On April 04 2013 22:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 22:49 marvellosity wrote:
Impossible to balance if everyone's blue. Even in the most blue games, PYP, people end up being vanilla. CHRONO TRIGGER
yeah that was pretty damn town favoured ^_^
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On April 04 2013 23:30 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 23:21 cDgCorazon wrote:
GG guys.
Kei never said anything about lovers before the end of the game. He explicitly said that if we claim we would leave out the "lovers" thing. By the time he had hinted enough towards it, we had the numbers.
Thanks to Kei for having to deal with me as a mason partner, and to Kurumi for hosting ^^ He said the thing about Marv's plans maybe not working out before the end of day 2, and as soon as he said that it was obvious what was going on. If scum had been paying attention they would have killed one of you with one of the day2 double lynches.
No, it was after the day 2 lynches.
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On April 05 2013 00:05 Keirathi wrote:GG everyone. I honestly enjoyed this game a lot (should be evident...this is my second longest filter ever, second only to Chrono which lasted like 10 game days/3 weeks irl) despite the weird setup, and felt like it was easily one of my personal best games on TL. I do feel bad for rayn, though
yes, you were superb, especially from the end of Day 1 onwards. sorry for trying to lynch you <3
edit: Basically Hapa & Kei were town MVPs, s&b & I merely get some mention for using our roles pretty much optimally.
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On April 05 2013 00:14 Acrofales wrote:
Also /sad because this is the first game I lost as scum.
Personally this makes me very happy :p
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On April 05 2013 00:17 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 00:08 marvellosity wrote:On April 05 2013 00:05 Keirathi wrote:GG everyone. I honestly enjoyed this game a lot (should be evident...this is my second longest filter ever, second only to Chrono which lasted like 10 game days/3 weeks irl) despite the weird setup, and felt like it was easily one of my personal best games on TL. I do feel bad for rayn, though yes, you were superb, especially from the end of Day 1 onwards. sorry for trying to lynch you <3edit: Basically Hapa & Kei were town MVPs, s&b & I merely get some mention for using our roles pretty much optimally. It was just a misunderstanding. I had started writing up a post on why I wanted to lynch smurf, which would have ended with why I didn't want to lynch prplhz. But I kept commenting on things after I started it, and then was dragged into defending myself for an hour+.
oh great irony, we'd probably have ended up lynching Smurf then. I would have given you more time but deadline was getting close >.<
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On April 05 2013 00:21 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 00:19 marvellosity wrote:On April 05 2013 00:17 Keirathi wrote:On April 05 2013 00:08 marvellosity wrote:On April 05 2013 00:05 Keirathi wrote:GG everyone. I honestly enjoyed this game a lot (should be evident...this is my second longest filter ever, second only to Chrono which lasted like 10 game days/3 weeks irl) despite the weird setup, and felt like it was easily one of my personal best games on TL. I do feel bad for rayn, though yes, you were superb, especially from the end of Day 1 onwards. sorry for trying to lynch you <3edit: Basically Hapa & Kei were town MVPs, s&b & I merely get some mention for using our roles pretty much optimally. It was just a misunderstanding. I had started writing up a post on why I wanted to lynch smurf, which would have ended with why I didn't want to lynch prplhz. But I kept commenting on things after I started it, and then was dragged into defending myself for an hour+. oh great irony, we'd probably have ended up lynching Smurf then. I would have given you more time but deadline was getting close >.< Your point made sense, it just didn't make me scum. I did act differently towards prplhz than Hapa did (IE, I didn't immediately unvote him), because I wanted it to look all nice and stuff. I was pretty sad that everyone just sheeped you and forced me into claiming though
The problem was that Hapa and I had identical reactions, and it was the reaction I expected you to have as well. And in fact you did have it, you just decided to make a couple of other pointless posts first. So I'm entirely blaming you (not at all).
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On April 05 2013 00:26 Keirathi wrote:
(Also, I still contend that you actually using emoticons against me, of all people, in a case was quite easily the silliest thing you have ever done.)
Edit: Oh yea, random thought. When Grack first flipped and had that line about masons in his role PM, 100% my first thought was some kind of mason-vigi. Yay vindicated!
it wasn't
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