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On March 26 2013 21:10 Acrofales wrote:
I'm awake!
I don't quite know what Grack has done to deserve all this attention.
I understand Palmar's initial point, which I don't really agree with is all that scummy, but at least I understand what he was saying.
However, since then I have had no problem with Grack at all and Keirathi's case is outright bad and feels like Keir is simply making a case to get a wagon rolling. I don't like that at all.
Palmar, you should drop Grack and start lynching Nisani, whose sole contribution is one big fat lie.
No.
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On March 26 2013 21:26 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 21:22 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2013 21:07 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 21:04 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2013 21:01 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 20:59 Palmar wrote:
I'm not ready to comment on marv's play yet. Well your mostly just commenting on me... hypocrite! you're* Also how is that hypocritical? It's discriminative, but not hypocritical. Yeah I saw that but I didn't want to triple post  You accuse me of not taking a stance in the thread BUT you only make one stance in the thread AND it's ON the person who hasn't taken a stance in the thread! Without me you've got no stance! but enough of this because it is pointless. Actually I also took a stance towards smurf's case on DI. Well then I took a stance towards Sinani's case on OO. I've got to go to class right now. And I don't want to hear any "where's Grack to counter. . . "
The fact you feel the need to pre-emptively counter a dumb argument I'd never use anyway just underlines how nervous I perceive you to be towards any push in your direction
Lynch this guy.
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On March 26 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1 Of course he is if we find out he is mafia. And even if this was true that's not a reason to give him a free pass to do anything he wants without questioning him until D2. I dont know where you have been for the past few months Marv does not get lynched day 1. So what do you propose marv do? Start playing? We will see when he gets in here I guess.
Marv hangs just like anyone else on day 1, if he is deserving of it. Stop with this retarded notion of not killing good players day 1. Kill scum day 1.
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Do you think this makes hapa scum marv? I wasn't really looking at hapa as someone that needed more attention.
I do agree the smurf looks bad, but honestly, just based on at least putting in the effort of making that case I'd rather lynch other people on day 1.
When is the lynch?
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On March 26 2013 22:59 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar, how sure are you on this Grack thing?
No idea yet, I think it's the best option we have right now, aside from maybe one or two other openings I will explore later in the cycle. I think we still have more than a day to form our final wagon, so there's no need to rush it.
I feel pretty confident Grack's responses have not helped me paint him green, and he's posted in a manner that yells scum at me. But I've also seen people simply mess up under some pressure.
So yeah, for now I'm convinced he's our best lynch target.
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On March 26 2013 23:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:00 Palmar wrote:
Do you think this makes hapa scum marv? I wasn't really looking at hapa as someone that needed more attention.
I do agree the smurf looks bad, but honestly, just based on at least putting in the effort of making that case I'd rather lynch other people on day 1.
When is the lynch? Lynch is like 23:00 GMT? No, I don't think Hapa is mafia at the moment, I'm not getting bad vibes from his posts like I did in Duel. It's just something I noticed while I was lurking/watching the Grack thing unfold last night.
You did read the interaction though? I simply said Grack was scum, and Hapa took that and expanded upon it. Sure if he's scum he may have decided to fabricate a case around a read of mine, knowing I'm town and tend to hugely bias my reads based on whether or not people agree with me.
But it can just as easily be explained by Hapa simply reading the thread and coming to the conclusion that maybe I was on to something. At least he provided an explanation as to why he agreed with me.
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On March 26 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 22:49 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 26 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1 Of course he is if we find out he is mafia. And even if this was true that's not a reason to give him a free pass to do anything he wants without questioning him until D2. I dont know where you have been for the past few months Marv does not get lynched day 1. So what do you propose marv do? Start playing? We will see when he gets in here I guess. Marv hangs just like anyone else on day 1, if he is deserving of it. Stop with this retarded notion of not killing good players day 1. Kill scum day 1. The point is that good players dont get found out day 1 as scum. Have you ever been lynched day 1?
A few times, as town and as scum.
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On March 26 2013 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am starting to have an urge to lynch Oats.
I want to kill him for being an asshole, but I'm not sure I want to kill him for being scum. He's saying a lot of strange things and taking absolute positions, but he's also too confrontational to be classified as highly likely scum right now.
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If more people could come in here and confirm themselves town that'd be splendid.
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On March 26 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On top of him being stupid there is a strange contradiction in his behaviour towards s&b and smurf. Like how I want to lynch SnB for a bad case and not smurf? deal with it. Do you have town reads on both of them? If not, then why arent you asking me what is differerent instead of insinuating that I am scum.
You're scum. Now explain the difference.
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Hey guys, let's murder Grackaroni
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I think reyn is town
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prplhz's entrance was shittier than I expected. I'm still not sure but I went back and compared his early efforts in nomination to this, because in nomination I mistook him for scum for a while. I'm not sure if I want to move the lynch off Grack to him, but whatever, I think he'll get a pass for today.
marv you're still sort of meh in this thread.
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I would probably support a "lynch the smurf unless he claims" just to be a dick.
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I did not say his entrance was scum motivated, I said it was shitty. This can be either lazy town or lazy scum, but the lack of concrete opinions in his posts make me lean slight scum on him. But again, I'm not sure right now. I'll know better how to proceed tomorrow.
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On March 27 2013 07:52 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 07:50 Palmar wrote:
I did not say his entrance was scum motivated, I said it was shitty. This can be either lazy town or lazy scum, but the lack of concrete opinions in his posts make me lean slight scum on him. But again, I'm not sure right now. I'll know better how to proceed tomorrow. Okay. I am aware that you have a sort of policy where you will lynch stupid as hard as you lynch scum so I just wanted to see where you were coming from on that. Correct me if I am wrong on this statement, but that's where I'm working from.
I don't have any policy of the sort. In fact I consider one of the main objectives of mafia to be learning how to seperate stupid from scum.
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On March 27 2013 08:26 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 08:23 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 07:52 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 07:50 Palmar wrote:
I did not say his entrance was scum motivated, I said it was shitty. This can be either lazy town or lazy scum, but the lack of concrete opinions in his posts make me lean slight scum on him. But again, I'm not sure right now. I'll know better how to proceed tomorrow. Okay. I am aware that you have a sort of policy where you will lynch stupid as hard as you lynch scum so I just wanted to see where you were coming from on that. Correct me if I am wrong on this statement, but that's where I'm working from. I don't have any policy of the sort. In fact I consider one of the main objectives of mafia to be learning how to seperate stupid from scum. Maybe I misremembered your Hero mini clean read video or you just made it as a flippant comment. In either case, what do you make of Cora right now? He seems to WANT lynch votes on himself.
I am undecided on Cora. I thought he was town during his first entrance into the thread but upon re-reading I'm not so sure. I don't think there is any way of conclusively calling him scum right now. I'd say he's a null to slight town read of mine, but it's a very cautious read, mostly based on his activity, so he could just be spammy mafia for all I know.
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a few more reads. Initially I was leaning slight scum on Keirathi but now I don't know what to make of it. He defended prplhz against s&b's case based on reasons I don't entirely agree with, seeing as I actually think prplhz is being much more useless than when he's playing lazy town.
But the little fact that Keirathi then proceeded to call out prplhz makes me think his defense may not have been an absolute stance, but a fluid one. It's not a huge town-tell, but it's something.
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@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?
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