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Keirathi
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On March 26 2013 15:17 cDgCorazon wrote: Acro you are blowing OO saying that he hasn't read his role pm way out of proportion. It was annoying at first, but now it's looking scummy. He just said he has actually read his role PM. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 26 2013 15:39 ObviousOne wrote: Are you picking up what I'm putting down? Honestly, no.  Your whole post is kind of ramble-y. No thoughts on my case? | ||
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On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote: What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? His case against me wasn't an association case. I mean, the top part of the post was some association bullshit, but the rest of it was just some (badly done) meta comparison to my last game. :o | ||
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On March 27 2013 04:45 Nisani201 wrote: He never looked scum. The case he made was scumbait, it didn't catch anyone, he backpedaled, and now he's contributing to the thread. Why are you so sure it was a "scumbait" case? Smurf never said "okay, okay. I was faking this case" or anything of the sort. He admitted that he was wrong, but that's a pretty huge difference. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 04:53 Nisani201 wrote: Well it's possible that he believed the case when he wrote it. I don't think he did, but I can't explain his actions. Why do you not think that he believed it when he made it? That's the part I'm confused about. Literally everything his has said about it after-the-fact points to him believing it when he said it, then changing his mind after people pointed out how terrible it was and him doing a bit more research. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 05:09 prplhz wrote: @sinani206 Why haven't you been playing mafia for ages and what made you suddenly come back to this game? @Acrofales What you think about Palmar? What did Nisani201 say to make you think that he is scum? Just a line or two, I'm not a big fan of huge posts. And yes, I did read your filter so please bear with me if there was something I didn't understand and say it one more time  @InsertSmurfHere That can't be true unless you're like ... no, that can't be true. Why did you vote Grack? Why haven't you given a shit about this game so far? | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote: The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar. Bullshit. I don't give a rats as that Palmar is pushing the case on Grack. What I do care about is Grack's tone and attitude towards this game, which haven't appeared townie at all. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 05:18 prplhz wrote: @Keirathi @strongandbig I voted Grackaroni for all the reasons presented by Palmar, Hapahauli and Keirathi. I liked them all. He's also the best lynch. I haven't been around much so far which is the explanation for why I didn't post a lot. Just got up to date on the thread. My Grackaroni vote was around page 16 and nothing has changed my mind since that. Err, what? You just voted Grack 2 hours ago, which was during page ~25 or so. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 08:34 Palmar wrote: a few more reads. Initially I was leaning slight scum on Keirathi but now I don't know what to make of it. He defended prplhz against s&b's case based on reasons I don't entirely agree with, seeing as I actually think prplhz is being much more useless than when he's playing lazy town. But the little fact that Keirathi then proceeded to call out prplhz makes me think his defense may not have been an absolute stance, but a fluid one. It's not a huge town-tell, but it's something. What? I made it perfectly clear when I was talking about prplhz that I didn't necessarily think that he was town. I just thought that S&B's point was dumb and not at all indicative of a scum prplhz, because town prplhz makes those same kinds of opening posts. On March 26 2013 10:44 Keirathi wrote: I agree with you. I never said "yea, prplhz's first post makes him town. He never does that as scum." I just said that S&B's terrible reasoning didn't make prplhz scum, because it can be demonstrably shown that prplhz makes the same kinds of posts as town *AND* scum. Why are you just picking and choosing quotes to base reads off of, Palmar? | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 09:37 Palmar wrote: Because it's easier to pretend I'm reading the thread that way. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zJiM10U.gif) | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 09:48 Grackaroni wrote: This game has honestly gotten me pretty flustered but I have no intention giving up. I feel completely unconfident in my reads so now I'm just going to start anew. I'm going to spend the next 4-5 hours carefully reading and analyzing the thread from the beginning until I can get some scum reads I feel truly confident about. One thing that definitely needs correcting is my read on Palmar. I used to believe that Palmar was much lazier as scum and berated him pretty hard in a previous game for it. (and I was actually lucky and was correct that he was scum and he was being lazy) In reality Palmar is frequently lazy as town and has played several active scum games. My logic was flawed from the start when I thought that him being active in this game made him more likely to be town, it really doesn't. from an admittedly biased point of view right now, I think that Palmar has been fostering a bad town atmosphere and seems more focused. on getting people to sheep him than finding out whether his read is correct. TLDR: I want to correct my previously flawed reasoning. I will take a less neutral stance on him (and others) by the end of the night. I also don't like this reaction to my post. I literally made ONE post on him and all of a sudden I'm tunneling him all day? For somebody who is adamant that I am scum he either hasn't examined/analyzed my filter very closely or he is maliciously misconstruing my posts. But....your stance wasn't neutral? You gave a rather detailed explanation of why you thought Palmar was town. That is the opposite of neutral. Argg, why does everything you post feel so defensive and backpeddling-y :o | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 12:02 marvellosity wrote: I love you (i hope you're town). For now I've written Acro off as stupid, which usually means he's town. hurray I'm 10/16 through this game! Does it still count as stupid = town when he misrepresents points against people to make his case stronger? On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote: What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? Here are those 2 "association cases": On March 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote: + Show Spoiler + ==Some thoughts on today's action== + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. Broken out, preserving the interaction above: On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing. I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town: If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that. I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia: If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim. I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread. So this interaction took me to Keirathi's filter where I found myself in a land of opinion-less posts and pseudo-random votes. This is not the town voice of Keirathi I remember from the Hydra game we played in together. It reminds me more of the safer and more timid Keirathi of 6 months ago, which was a safe way to play... the only town points in his favor IMO are that he derailed SNB's case for the right reason. (An addendum for later--) It's demonstrably fact that Keirathi has essentially defended prplhz by attacking SNB's case which says nothing now about them individually but should be remembered in the late stages of the game if it's still pertinent. Right now based on signal-to-noise ratio of Keirathi's filter, I'm calling him scum. What do you guys think? On March 26 2013 15:39 ObviousOne wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2013 15:15 Keirathi wrote: Acro/OO: Thoughts on Grack? Grack reads like he's ready to become an echo of thread sentiment. By admission this is a return to the game and he may be a bit rusty for that. I liked: On March 26 2013 11:17 Grackaroni wrote: For the record Hapa: When I say that I don't like Sinani using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM to say that he is scum. I mean that Sinani is using scummy logic. (he is misconstruing something that should not be alignment indicative and using it against OO to say that he is scum.) This is my first game in a long time and I am having some trouble finding where I need to focus. But I am giving reads and I will continue to do so. Lack of forthcoming reads about people he's asking questions about is kind of weird, him espousing as much is highlighted here: On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote: No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. Calling out sinani for tunneling on my meaningless hello post: null We can find out a lot more about him when there are some concrete bits mid-day besides his interactions with sinani. Looking at it again, there's a kind of nugget in the middle there with the interaction between him and Palmar. (BTW I've never played with a D1-talkative Palmar before, this is kind of surreal.) He flat out gave Palmar a town read instead of proposing a better lynch target. Okay, that's weird. Scum points and town points, I want to see more. More red than green. Are you picking up what I'm putting down? Those aren't "association cases". MAYBE you could say that the biggest point he had against Grack was the association thing with Palmar, but that wasn't even close to the main point of his case against me. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 12:21 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Keir, since you're here, what do you think of this whole Marv/Acro thing going on? It's a dumb argument. But I agree with marv. You can't say "I disagree with your read because I think town OO is more carefree and engaging, based on Fruity and LX" when, as marv pointed out, OO wasn't 'engaging' at all on day 1 in Fruity. FWIW, I'm not interested in lynching OO, either. I'm leaning town on him for now. His play does feel very, very different than his play from Hydra. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 12:34 Hapahauli wrote: And someone needs to comment on mah prplzh case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=36#720 Yes, prplhz is a scummy little slime, who hasn't cared about this game or doing anything. I would be happy to lynch him. I'm leaving my vote on Grack until he comes back with those promised reads though. I still think he's the best bet for scum right this minute. I hope he can come change my mind. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 12:41 Nisani201 wrote: I don't understand why we're still taking about this meta stuff. Just because OO’s play style is different in this game than another doesn't make him scum. In fact, it means absolutely nothing. I agree that prplhz has been flying under the radar and he could be scum. I want to hear other's thoughts on it though. ALKJSLKDJALK:SJD>LAJSKDEAJSLK"L:AJSNCL:KANKJSKJADNK:JASND:SNIO:DNA:KJSK>JSND:ASND:NAK:SJNA>LJKSNDK:ASNSDANSK:JDNAK:JFDNKASND:KAJS:DNASJKDNJK:ASND:ANSDASN:KDCNIQ:W:IUWDA:KJSDiuh`12 112 *Calming down* Fucking seriously? Show me one person who has said that OO's playstyle this game is different from his town games and makes him scum. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 12:50 Nisani201 wrote: Perhaps I've been not reading the thread. Why did we have a 1.5 page discussion about OO's meta? FTFY* Anyways, marv said that OO's meta points towards him being town. Acro said that OO's meta points to null. | ||
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Keirathi
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Who do you want to lynch? | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 27 2013 13:07 Hapahauli wrote: And I'm looking at you Kei. How on earth can you tunnel prplzh for like ever, call him a "scummy slime", read this quote, then still keep your vote on Grack? Tunnel him forever? What the fuck? And quit trying to bully me into a vote. I'll switch my vote when I'm satisfied with Grack's contributions. | ||
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