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On March 27 2013 00:10 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:08 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 26 2013 23:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 26 2013 23:53 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
No, I was specifically told that I ignored all of Dandel's town games, which I did not. Nor did I ever claim to be the authority on his meta, I simply found similarity between his most recent scum game and this game and drew a hasty conclusion that I have since seen as faulty.
Like I said, my experience with town Dandel is that he does make decent reads that have some sort of logic behind them. I had seen none of that at that point, so I made known my suspicion of him. The jury is still out on that one, but he looks better for having some reason for attacking Marv than he did before. Horseshit. You were doing this: "let's see how scum Dandel normally opens his games! Oh my that looks similar to this game! I won't even check any of his town games and call him scum just for the hell of it hey guys look how protown and scumhunting I am!" Now you do this: "Oh shit I made a terrible case on a townie BACKPEDALBACKPEDAL" In my case on you I clearly said I expected better from you, Dandel. My experience from the first British and Personality is that you aren't just a troll, but as I see you just need time to flower. And why did you need to make a shitty case to realize this "experience"?
Because there are times when you call people out for posting like idiots at the start of the game, and this was one of them. I initially thought it might be alignment indicative but I've since been proven wrong. You can fault me for not doing more research, but I did think I was more familiar with you than I was.
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On March 27 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:09 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 27 2013 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 00:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 27 2013 00:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 26 2013 23:57 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 26 2013 23:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 26 2013 23:53 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
No, I was specifically told that I ignored all of Dandel's town games, which I did not. Nor did I ever claim to be the authority on his meta, I simply found similarity between his most recent scum game and this game and drew a hasty conclusion that I have since seen as faulty.
Like I said, my experience with town Dandel is that he does make decent reads that have some sort of logic behind them. I had seen none of that at that point, so I made known my suspicion of him. The jury is still out on that one, but he looks better for having some reason for attacking Marv than he did before. You understand that that reason is cause 'I dont see any towntells' as opposed to marv is scum cause *post* Is that a valid reason in your opinion or not? I don't think he's right, obviously. I've seen plenty of town Marv games where Marv doesn't even try to look town. However, it's not if he's right or if I agree with him, it's that he simply justifies what he's doing with something beyond a troll post and seems actually confident in it. Like his suspicion of me. It's total OMGUS but I don't think he's scum for it. So if I do stupid shit but wholeheartadly go with it and give some weird reason I am town? What universe do you live in? Response to Palmers suspicion GOOO Palmar is calling me scum because my case is bad, just like the rest of you. I fail to see how it's anything special. And yes, sometimes people do stupid shit I never agree with and that lets me know they are town. And yes, you are one of them. Too many townreads dude. Who is scum, now that Dandel Ion isnt? I already told you that Corazon is currently flying under the radar while contributing next-to-nothing aside from random comments on OO' role PM shit. What makes Cora different from the other lurkers like sinani or nisani?
I've called them out, too.
Are you reading my filter?
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On March 27 2013 00:11 cDgCorazon wrote:Hi. Thanks Mr. Smurf for calling me lurky when I was asleep. If you're going to make silly meta reads on me, it's not going to get you anywhere. In all honesty this thread has still been ridiculously chaotic. After the tragedy that was Personality Mafia, I'm trying to only post when I have thoughts and cases to make. Right now we are just switching from one lynch target to the other and not really getting anything done besides calling each other scum. As much as the hosts love to troll, I don't think that they made everyone scum. Sorry guys. To add my thoughts to the ring, I'm still convinced that Rayn is scum. He's following the thread sentiment to the letter. He's just attacking whoever has the heat at the time. Less than 24 hours into the game, he has already attacked the following people: Prphlz (voted) Me Marv Keir OO (voted) Oats + Show Spoiler +
That's 40% of the people in the game...
The other problem I have with this is that Rayn is not following through with any of his arguments (besides the OO vote). He's quite content to go after multiple people and not back his sentiments up. It's scummy because he's just trying to look like he is scumhunting, when in reality he is just shitting up the thread and sheeping on whoever is the flavor of the month (or by this thread's standards, flavor of the 10 minutes). That's not town-motivated behavior, it's scummy behavior. ##Vote: RaynpelikoneetIf there's any questions for me I'd love to hear them.
How about a read not on rayn? He's kinda the only dude you talk about.
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On March 27 2013 00:19 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 27 2013 00:11 cDgCorazon wrote:Hi. Thanks Mr. Smurf for calling me lurky when I was asleep. If you're going to make silly meta reads on me, it's not going to get you anywhere. In all honesty this thread has still been ridiculously chaotic. After the tragedy that was Personality Mafia, I'm trying to only post when I have thoughts and cases to make. Right now we are just switching from one lynch target to the other and not really getting anything done besides calling each other scum. As much as the hosts love to troll, I don't think that they made everyone scum. Sorry guys. To add my thoughts to the ring, I'm still convinced that Rayn is scum. He's following the thread sentiment to the letter. He's just attacking whoever has the heat at the time. Less than 24 hours into the game, he has already attacked the following people: Prphlz (voted) Me Marv Keir OO (voted) Oats + Show Spoiler +
That's 40% of the people in the game...
The other problem I have with this is that Rayn is not following through with any of his arguments (besides the OO vote). He's quite content to go after multiple people and not back his sentiments up. It's scummy because he's just trying to look like he is scumhunting, when in reality he is just shitting up the thread and sheeping on whoever is the flavor of the month (or by this thread's standards, flavor of the 10 minutes). That's not town-motivated behavior, it's scummy behavior. ##Vote: RaynpelikoneetIf there's any questions for me I'd love to hear them. How about a read not on rayn? He's kinda the only dude you talk about. I've already called Acro out for overreacting to things. Having reads on 5 people is going to lead to Personality Mafia-like conditions. I'm not doing that again. You're not even paying attention to my reads, you just want to see me throw sub-standard crap out. I'm not falling for the bait.
No, I want you to post reads that mean something. Acro "overreacting" is not a read, it's an observation. What does that day about his alignment? Does he do this as town? As scum? Is overreacting a general scum tell? Why?
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I'll talk about rayn when I get out of class. In the mean time, how about being cooperative and doing something besides tunneling one player? You talk about personality, how about you learn your lesson from that game?
I'm asking for you to expand upon your reads. It shouldn't be that difficult if you're actually town.
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Cora, you have essentially one read that you've fleshed out, and that read has met significant resistance with the thread. Why don't you give a read on a different player? I know you are capable of this as town, I saw it in Duel. Hop off your tunnel train for a minute and realize I want something more alignment indicative out of you than this attack on rayn.
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How is my supposed hypocrisy at all an indicator for how serious I am in my accusations of Corazon? That's a bogus notion. He's legitimately being stupid and anti-town, and his read on me hasn't been justified beyond PURE OMGUS. He's failed to even justify his mild suspicion of Acro, despite many attempts to do so.
The fact that he dropped his tunnel is not a point in his favor, because literally no one was buying it. Right now I have no reason to think this guy is town when I have been more than able to do so in games past.
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Keir, since you're here, what do you think of this whole Marv/Acro thing going on?
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Hapa, how familiar are you with prplhz's meta?
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You/Grack are the worst offenders, overall.
Grack's continued disappearance despite promising some sort of reads post is highly concerning. I think the dude is scum who knows he's caught.
I am not voting for prp, but I want to talk to Hapa about that.
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On March 27 2013 14:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Moderately. I haven't done a thorough examination of it, HOWEVER I was mason buddies with him in Rockband Mini. His play so far is strikingly different.
In addition, his play is objectively very scummy and lynchable. I'll make the rounds through his other games tomorrow to be super certain, but I'm not expecting to find anything to help his cause.
Look at day 1 of Nomination. I know you've read that game.
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On March 27 2013 14:35 Hapahauli wrote:
If anything, Nomination Mini supports my case.
If you think low activity is alignment indicative out of prplhz, you're wrong. While it's true that he's done little this game, he isn't acting trollish or distant with town when he is posting, as he does normally when he's mafia. He posts little and rarely as both alignments.
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As for Cora, I don't think he's nearly as "indignant" as you want to paint him. Who are his scum reads? What happened to his Acro read that he just kinda threw out there? It's all just so BLAH.
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On March 27 2013 14:49 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 14:47 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 27 2013 14:35 Hapahauli wrote:
If anything, Nomination Mini supports my case. If you think low activity is alignment indicative out of prplhz, you're wrong. While it's true that he's done little this game, he isn't acting trollish or distant with town when he is posting, as he does normally when he's mafia. He posts little and rarely as both alignments. Have you read prplzh filter? Go and read it, then get back to me and tell me he's not "distant." I've heard of a ton of meta arguments, but this is the most retarded one. Prplzh has posted next to nothing, has soft-pushed half the thread, hasn't made a single original contribution, and somehow you arrive at the fact that he's not scum.
It's quite easy. Read yamato's analysis of prplhz's meta from Nomination. When you look at his filter from LIX, it is blatantly antagonistic with town and completely uninvolved. Do these posts read trollish to you?
On March 27 2013 05:09 prplhz wrote:@sinani206 Why haven't you been playing mafia for ages and what made you suddenly come back to this game? @Acrofales What you think about Palmar? What did Nisani201 say to make you think that he is scum? Just a line or two, I'm not a big fan of huge posts. And yes, I did read your filter so please bear with me if there was something I didn't understand and say it one more time  @InsertSmurfHere Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:38 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
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Prplhz I have seen be lurky early as town, but by the end of day 1 I expect to know his alignment. He's good enough as town to put forth effort justifying his suspicions.
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That can't be true unless you're like ... no, that can't be true.
On March 27 2013 11:19 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then. lol see what the hell is this. I thought he was town but nobody is going to listen to me so now I'll just vote for town. Some people do that when they get frustrated. I think he's frustrated and that's why he's doing it. @Palmar Why is Acrofales town?
On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote:
If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers.
Here he's clearly following a line of thought with a few people. While his interaction is minimal, it is far from being distant. This does not read like the mafia prplhz I know.
What concerns me about all this is how lazy you are with this push on prplhz. I really think you don't know him well if you think low activity = scum in his case. What is MOST concerning, however, is how easily Nisani jumps in with you. Observe:
On March 27 2013 12:41 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't understand why we're still taking about this meta stuff. Just because OO’s play style is different in this game than another doesn't make him scum. In fact, it means absolutely nothing.
I agree that prplhz has been flying under the radar and he could be scum. I want to hear other's thoughts on it though.
On March 27 2013 13:10 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, throwing my vote on prplhz.
Not gonna do the ## thing here though because I'm on my tablet.
Two posts, barely mentions prplhz, and he's on the wagon. Regardless of prplhz's alignment, this looks terrible. He's even less concerned with figuring out the game than prplhz appears to be.
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On March 27 2013 15:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 14:47 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 27 2013 14:35 Hapahauli wrote:
If anything, Nomination Mini supports my case. If you think low activity is alignment indicative out of prplhz, you're wrong. While it's true that he's done little this game, he isn't acting trollish or distant with town when he is posting, as he does normally when he's mafia. He posts little and rarely as both alignments. Ok there is no way you actually read his filter. According to you, he acts "trollish" and is "distant." Describe to me how he's not distant based on his sparse posting so far? Trollish... oh wait: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 07:39 prplhz wrote:
Yo ho ho lets play some mafia shall we?
Just a little reminder to some people and all people, something that was brought up in the latest podcast and that I agree with: it's a bad idea to have a 150 page thread after day1. Especially for a guy like me who probably doesn't even have 3rd grade reading level, it's really exhausting and it burns me out. So lets consolidate and not screw around too much. Yay! Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 07:44 prplhz wrote:
Remember, on TL Mafia if you don't post within the first hour of the game then you're scum. What gives Mr.Smurf?
That's not trolling. He's not antagonizing anyone, nor is he proposing a stupid policy lynch. Seriously, look at LIX and draw comparisons between that and this game. I don't see it.
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On March 27 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
I love how you go from me/Grack to Nisani once a couple of people say they think I'm town. Pretty sketch in my eyes.
I'm waiting for you to do something besides make stupid, snarky comments.
People don't want to lynch you, apparently, but if you are mafia, you aren't the only one.
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Hapa, you scum bro?
Like, I just posted one of his fucking reads. Holy balls.
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On March 27 2013 15:11 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 15:08 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 27 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
I love how you go from me/Grack to Nisani once a couple of people say they think I'm town. Pretty sketch in my eyes. I'm waiting for you to do something besides make stupid, snarky comments. People don't want to lynch you, apparently, but if you are mafia, you aren't the only one. I'm not making stupid, snarky comments. I'm calling things as I see them. What I read the last sentence as: "I think you are scum but no one else does so I'm gonna say I don't think you are scum". That's not a very town thing to say. If you have any actual reasons that make you scum that don't make you sound like a hypocrite I would love to hear them.
No, it's calling you scum but saying that town doesn't want to lynch you, SO I LOOK AT OTHER PEOPLE
Fucking flood control
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On March 27 2013 15:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 15:11 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Hapa, you scum bro?
Like, I just posted one of his fucking reads. Holy balls. No you didn't. Post it again, because if you're honestly comparing his posting this game to his reads from Nomination mini, you're either blind, drunk, or scum.
No, I'm contrasting it with his SCUM PLAY from LIX.
You know, that thing that was analysed in the post you quoted?
Did you even look at his filter from that game? Have you read Marv's meta case on scum prplhz? If not, you're just attacking him on a weak basis. I know town prplhz to have low activity.
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Lol, if you just want to ignore what I've posted and say they aren't reads, go ahead. It's still more like town prplhz than scum prplhz if you manage to look at it beyond a biased perspective.
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