EPTAnd we have enough KP/lynches to kill all the suspicious people.
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Keirathi
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And we have enough KP/lynches to kill all the suspicious people. | ||
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On April 02 2013 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: And if i was scum i definitely wouldn't have shot Acro but Hapa instead. And i definitely would not have claimed but kept shooting Keir/Cora during nights as my team was already in a pretty bad spot. Think about it for a second. This is true. Assuming 4 scum and that rayn can instantly kill someone in his mason circle and still shoot someone else in the same night (which is what he's claiming and seems to be the case), the game would have been over at the end of last night had he shot Hapa instead of Acro and then shot one of me or Cora. 12/4 start 11/4 after grack death 10/4 after nisani lynch 9/4 after Palmar NK 7/4 after the 2 lynches 6/4 if rayn shot Hapa 5/4 if he then shot me or Cora 4/4 or 3/4 after night kills depending on scum KP. Or even if they couldn't have outright won, it would have made for a much different town right now. | ||
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On April 02 2013 03:52 Keirathi wrote: Oh, in a bit of an alternative: Why not have prplhz give a gun to one of you, S&B, Hapa (?) tonight. Then tomorrow night, the one of you that has the gun can shoot Oats. Prplhz gives rayn a gun and kills him. That leaves only prplhz alive as "unconfirmed" on the last day. *  isclaimer: it's not perfect because mafia could kill the one of you that prplhz gives the gun to tonight. But 66% chance to game over.Why are we changing away from this now? | ||
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Bahhh. | ||
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How could Cora in any way have been sure that the shot was a mafia shot if you were the one that made the shot and you knew you were town? I mean, lets even assume that Cora was scum when you asked it, he would know that one of his teammates didn't make the shot. Marv is right, the question makes no sense in context of your role, assuming you are town. | ||
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I'll keep up from my phone until it comes back on, but phone posting sucks so I probably won't have big posts. | ||
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Oats or prplhz? | ||
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On April 03 2013 04:08 marvellosity wrote: The Keir/Cora stuff is free town-cred. Same with killing Acro, if the rest of your team is falling like cards and you need to be the last man standing. It might be free town cred, but its buying that towncred by being a retard. The game could/would be over otherwise. And even though this is the only game I've read of his, I just can't see him being a retard. | ||
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I'll go ahead and post this about rayn, since I already finished this section of my bigger post: rayn is the most dangerous of those 4 [un-"confirmeds"]. While I personally think that he is probably town, he by FAR has the most KP, assuming his role is true, which is at least partially verified. The caveat, however, is that his claimed role has a clearly defined purpose within this setup if he is town: The OP says that there is an eavesdropper (maybe multiple) in the mason circle. It would make a TON of sense to give town a way to find and kill off the eavesdropper(s). From a scum perspective, it just doesn't make sense though (besides being ridiculously super OP). If he's scum, he would have just insta-killed Grack and Hapa day 1 (or day 1 and day 2 if he can't insta-shoot twice on the same day). And he could have killed me or Cora n1. Nothing about the role, or how he's played it, makes sense from a scum perspective. Even as I write this, I just convince myself more and more that he's probably town. He would literally have to be playing the most retarded scum game ever to be scum. | ||
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On April 03 2013 04:14 marvellosity wrote: I would argue letting someone he knew was a vote-rigger rig a double lynch is pretty damn retarded  To be fair, it's an extremely obscure role. Had I not had a super interest in the PYP games, I wouldn't have known what a vote rigger was either. | ||
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On April 03 2013 04:17 marvellosity wrote: the clue's in the name, broski Yes yes. It's a clue. But even you were wrong about how it worked (or rather, believed that the typical vote rigger role that I quoted was too OP to be possible, I guess?) On March 31 2013 04:14 marvellosity wrote: One other thing - it's my impression from Kurumi's last mod-note that you can't be lynched without a majority. So I guess Acro either gets lynched or no-one, unless his power is completely OP. Anyway, catch you all later. Any rayn "left" after he told us that Acro claimed vote rigger in the mason QT, so its arguable whether he saw my post or not. Anyways it's pretty irrelevant. Obscure role (that possibly has never actually been used on TL? I know its a possibility in most of the PYP games, but I couldn't find it ever being picked) in a situation that has never happened before. I wouldn't call him not shooting Acro retarded. A bad decision in hindsight, but what can you do? | ||
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But you're right, it doesn't matter | ||
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On April 03 2013 04:53 marvellosity wrote: Also Oats hasn't voted, hopefully he doesn't get modkilled :/ Neither has Smurf. TBH I was toying around with the idea of asking people to vote sinani today and playing to the Smurf modkill since he's obviously not coming back, and sinani is going to be the lynch tomorrow anyways. Only reason I didn't is because, assuming prplhz is telling the truth, then smurf has a gun right now  | ||
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On April 03 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all, i did not know how his rig would work. Second of all, you had this information before the lynch. Why didn't you go screaming THE GUY WHO SHOT GRACK, IF YOU ARE TOWN YOU NEED TO KILL ACRO ASAP!!!! You are saying you knew he was sure mafia and should have been killed before the deadline. Why the fuck didn't you do anything to convince the guy who shot Grack (me) to shoot him in case it was not a one-shot vigi (which it clearly wasn't? This is a dumb argument. You hadn't claimed at the time. There was no reason to suspect that whoever had day-vigged Grack, if they were town, could day-vig again. And if they were scum, they obviously wouldn't want to. I asked myself the same question last night: "Self, when rayn said that Acro was a vote rigger, why didn't you just ask right then for someone to day-vig him if possible?" And the honest answer was because it just never crossed my mind as a possibility. | ||
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Oats why you not vote :o | ||
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On April 03 2013 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: this means you must give the gun to a vanilla town. I actually disagree at this point. He gives a gun to you. Yes, it sucks for you if you are town. But, you are by far town's biggest threat. And even with you dying, we'll still have 4 townies alive tomorrow to 2 scum (assuming you are town, of course). Which means we lynch sinani and prplhz and win. | ||
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rayn: You are shooting one of prplhz or sinani. I don't care which one, just pick one. prplhz: you are giving your gun to rayn. We're at 8 players alive, and (presumably) 6 town vs 2 scum. I absolutely believe that all of Hapa+marv+s&b+me+cora are town. Which just leaves sinani/prplhz/rayn. Even if rayn flips town instead of scum, that 100% gives us the scum team. We just have to have enough people alive to ensure that we live through the night, and I just don't see how scum could possibly have enough KP to kill off 4 people tonight (unless rayn is scum, ofc). | ||
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