• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:50
CEST 03:50
KST 10:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack1Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation StarCraft 1 & 2 Added to Xbox Game Pass
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO8 - Group A Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals RECOVER LOST BTC USDT FUNDS RECLAIMER COMPANY [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread What do you want from future RTS games? Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 29644 users

RED Team's Prize - Page 147

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 145 146 147 148 149 153 Next
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2013 18:45 GMT
#2921
Or I guess zero if it turns out prplhz is town.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2013 18:52 GMT
#2922
I still kinda think prplhz should shoot sinani. Why does the fact that Ryan might have reason to kill town with his powers change our calculus? His claim being true and him being scum have no difference except that if his claim is true we don't need to kill him to win.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 03 2013 18:57 GMT
#2923
dont be stupid

if rayn is mafia we want him dead asap so he stops shooting townies. same if he's town actually.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2013 18:59 GMT
#2924
but we know sinani is mafia. we want him dead asap so he stops shooting townies? I don't see the difference?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 03 2013 19:01 GMT
#2925
if rayn is mafia he can kill multiple townies per cycle.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 03 2013 19:05 GMT
#2926
it actually raises the question of why he hasn't day-vigied Hapahauli this cycle.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2013 19:08 GMT
#2927
but he can't kill any more if we leave him alive and lynch him than he can if we kill him tonight. he can kill hapa for free at any time, and hapa is the last person left he can kill aside from his one night action.

If we leave him alive, and prplhz kills sinani and the game doesn't end, then we can be sure that he's mafia.

If we leave him alive, and prplhz doesn't kill sinani, then we most likely have a prplhz/sinani scum team. In that case, we have to try and work out some deal with ryan where he doesn't kill any townies tonight, then we lynch sinani, then he kills some masons but leaves hapa alive, then he kills hapa right before the lynch on prplhz, securing both town's and his win conditions.

Finally, there's what I think is the most likely scenario - if we leave him alive, and prplhz kills sinani, then the game ends. I think "three scum plus one townie with an anti-town win condition and a shitload of KP" is stupid, but makes more sense for a setup than "four scum, one of whom has a shitload of extra KP", plus I'm kind of leaning towards agreeing with Keirathi's analysis from the last page or whatever.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 03 2013 19:08 GMT
#2928
That's the weird thing. Like we definitely know he can (with Acro + Grack), so I'm not sure why I'm still alive.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2013 19:09 GMT
#2929
On April 04 2013 04:05 marvellosity wrote:
it actually raises the question of why he hasn't day-vigied Hapahauli this cycle.


if he is mafia, then the reason not to day vig hapa is that prplhz would be town and would night vig him asap.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 03 2013 19:10 GMT
#2930
On April 04 2013 04:08 strongandbig wrote:
but he can't kill any more if we leave him alive and lynch him than he can if we kill him tonight. he can kill hapa for free at any time, and hapa is the last person left he can kill aside from his one night action.

If we leave him alive, and prplhz kills sinani and the game doesn't end, then we can be sure that he's mafia.

If we leave him alive, and prplhz doesn't kill sinani, then we most likely have a prplhz/sinani scum team. In that case, we have to try and work out some deal with ryan where he doesn't kill any townies tonight, then we lynch sinani, then he kills some masons but leaves hapa alive, then he kills hapa right before the lynch on prplhz, securing both town's and his win conditions.

Finally, there's what I think is the most likely scenario - if we leave him alive, and prplhz kills sinani, then the game ends. I think "three scum plus one townie with an anti-town win condition and a shitload of KP" is stupid, but makes more sense for a setup than "four scum, one of whom has a shitload of extra KP", plus I'm kind of leaning towards agreeing with Keirathi's analysis from the last page or whatever.


there's no guarantee prplhz's gun would kill sinani. None whatsoever.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 03 2013 19:10 GMT
#2931
On April 04 2013 04:09 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 04:05 marvellosity wrote:
it actually raises the question of why he hasn't day-vigied Hapahauli this cycle.


if he is mafia, then the reason not to day vig hapa is that prplhz would be town and would night vig him asap.


prplhz is killing him anyway.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 03 2013 19:11 GMT
#2932
On April 04 2013 04:08 Hapahauli wrote:
That's the weird thing. Like we definitely know he can (with Acro + Grack), so I'm not sure why I'm still alive.


Could be limited at 2-shot. Who knows.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2013 19:19 GMT
#2933
On April 04 2013 04:10 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 04:08 strongandbig wrote:
but he can't kill any more if we leave him alive and lynch him than he can if we kill him tonight. he can kill hapa for free at any time, and hapa is the last person left he can kill aside from his one night action.

If we leave him alive, and prplhz kills sinani and the game doesn't end, then we can be sure that he's mafia.

If we leave him alive, and prplhz doesn't kill sinani, then we most likely have a prplhz/sinani scum team. In that case, we have to try and work out some deal with ryan where he doesn't kill any townies tonight, then we lynch sinani, then he kills some masons but leaves hapa alive, then he kills hapa right before the lynch on prplhz, securing both town's and his win conditions.

Finally, there's what I think is the most likely scenario - if we leave him alive, and prplhz kills sinani, then the game ends. I think "three scum plus one townie with an anti-town win condition and a shitload of KP" is stupid, but makes more sense for a setup than "four scum, one of whom has a shitload of extra KP", plus I'm kind of leaning towards agreeing with Keirathi's analysis from the last page or whatever.


there's no guarantee prplhz's gun would kill sinani. None whatsoever.


okay in the hypothetical situation where prplhz is town and sinani is vanilla scum, then say we lynch sinani tomorrow and he flips vanilla scum. Next night, prplhz kills ryan, and we still win because prplhz plus either you or I are still alive even if ryan kills all the masons somehow.

Or, if scum NK's prplhz and he flips town, we know to lynch ryan tomorrow, and we still win.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 03 2013 19:20 GMT
#2934
or you just stop thinking because it's not doing you any good. off you toddle.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2013 19:20 GMT
#2935
Basically though, the fact that ryan didn't shoot any masons last night, when he could have done so essentially for free, makes me think he's very likely to be town. That means we need him alive, purely for numbers reasons.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 03 2013 19:21 GMT
#2936
no.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 03 2013 19:22 GMT
#2937
if rayn shot masons last-night he becomes an auto-lynch regardless of his alignment, and whether he's town or mafia he fails, either in his townwincon, or if he's mafia he fails because he dies and then sinani dies.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2013 19:23 GMT
#2938
le sigh.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 03 2013 19:23 GMT
#2939
Here's a thought that'll blow your mind - what if he is MAFIA with the wincon of killing all masons, meaning he had to kill Acro?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2013 19:24 GMT
#2940
so this is a counterfactual, but if we had seen two kp last night and one of them was on a mason, we would still have lynched smurf today.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Prev 1 145 146 147 148 149 153 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Monday
00:00
#35
PiGStarcraft551
CranKy Ducklings140
SteadfastSC120
davetesta36
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft551
RuFF_SC2 139
SteadfastSC 120
Nina 79
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 26817
Sea 2171
Artosis 860
Sharp 27
Icarus 8
Dota 2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
tarik_tv8353
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor106
Other Games
summit1g10179
shahzam1322
WinterStarcraft255
ViBE205
Maynarde111
Sick56
Trikslyr18
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1023
BasetradeTV126
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH263
• rockletztv 58
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler40
League of Legends
• Shiphtur1571
Other Games
• Scarra864
Upcoming Events
GSL Code S
7h 40m
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
22h 10m
Replay Cast
1d
GSL Code S
1d 7h
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
OSC
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
SOOP
3 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Cheesadelphia
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
GSL Code S
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.