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On March 29 2013 04:26 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:00 Hapahauli wrote:
And if you have a role, I suggest you claim it. Why the hell are you telling someone to claim AT NIGHT?
It's not like he's going to get shot by mafia.
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On March 29 2013 04:29 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:26 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 04:26 Acrofales wrote:On March 29 2013 04:00 Hapahauli wrote:
And if you have a role, I suggest you claim it. Why the hell are you telling someone to claim AT NIGHT? It's not like he's going to get shot by mafia. Lets play this game: we're wrong and you got him to claim DT or medic. Mafia knows he's not scum, so even if he doesn't get killed (which I agree seems unlikely even if he's town), he probably gets roleblocked. And what did you gain? Fuck all. Claiming at night is retarded.
Oh noes! Clearly something terrible happened and town is going to lose. Woe is me.
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2) We'll change that tomorrow now that I have some real information. My day 1 reads are always ass.
4) Because I can read prplhz. I read him perfectly fine in Nomination, but I IGNORED MY OWN ANALYSIS later in the game, which I will never do again.
These two don't make sense together.
1) I mainly use meta from games I have played with people. It's the same sort of "meta" arguments I sued with Dandel and Prplhz, the only difference being that I did look up one game from Dandel where he was mafia to see if he trolled as mafia in the early game. No, I've read nothing of Nisani before now, I was judging him objectively. In hindsight, perhaps I should have looked into the games you talked about, because it seems you reached the correct conclusion from his other games.
What about Kei? And Acro? And Corazon? You're apparently suspicious of them, yet your arguments against them are devoid of meta.
All this rings especially hollow given your immense faith in your read on prplzh meta read.
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prplhz - who do you want to lynch?
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On March 29 2013 05:55 prplhz wrote:
Not strongandbig and not InsertSmurfHere. We can talk more after the flip.
How do you know I"ll be alive post-flip?
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On March 29 2013 05:57 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 05:55 prplhz wrote:
Not strongandbig and not InsertSmurfHere. We can talk more after the flip. How do you know I"ll be alive post-flip? What answer are you looking for here exactly?
Point is, we dont' know who's going to die tonight. I have 1 hour before the deadline, and I want to figure out what you're thinking now in case I get shot.
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On March 29 2013 06:03 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:59 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 05:57 prplhz wrote:On March 29 2013 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 05:55 prplhz wrote:
Not strongandbig and not InsertSmurfHere. We can talk more after the flip. How do you know I"ll be alive post-flip? What answer are you looking for here exactly? Point is, we dont' know who's going to die tonight. I have 1 hour before the deadline, and I want to figure out what you're thinking now in case I get shot. I don't know. I just read up on strongandbig and but I don't think he's scum. I started with him because people are hating on him real bad and I want form my own opinion.
Okay... so who are you suspicious of? You have literally no scum-reads to speak of.
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Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.
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On March 29 2013 06:05 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 06:03 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 06:03 prplhz wrote:On March 29 2013 05:59 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 05:57 prplhz wrote:On March 29 2013 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 05:55 prplhz wrote:
Not strongandbig and not InsertSmurfHere. We can talk more after the flip. How do you know I"ll be alive post-flip? What answer are you looking for here exactly? Point is, we dont' know who's going to die tonight. I have 1 hour before the deadline, and I want to figure out what you're thinking now in case I get shot. I don't know. I just read up on strongandbig and but I don't think he's scum. I started with him because people are hating on him real bad and I want form my own opinion. Okay... so who are you suspicious of? You have literally no scum-reads to speak of. That's right, I don't have a scum read I want to discuss in the thread right now. I might or might not have a scum read I don't want to discuss in the thread right now.
Why... what... why... the... why...
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On March 29 2013 06:10 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 06:08 prplhz wrote:On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1. I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game. I also think it's a little early to conclude anything about his supposed failing activity.
Okay, defend ALL THE THINGS. That's cool and all, but who else would you suggest for a lynching? What reason could you possibly have to not disclose your reads right now?
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On March 29 2013 06:07 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote:
as for who I want to lynch tomorrow, I'm thinking obviousone.
Forget the retarded backandforth about his meta, here's why:
(1) the case on ryan was super scummy, both the tone and the reasoning.
(2) he's been grubbing for towncred, going back in his own filter and pointing out where he's been right to make sure we all know it, and doing things that are typically "townie looking things that don't help town." example: he posted that big block of bold text about consolidation, then completely dropped it when no one but me responded, then when we were looking at the last minute for someone to lynch, he quoted his own big block of text and was all like "this town sucks right now"
(3) most suspiciously - just look at the amount of effort versus content. He's putting a lot of text in the thread about how he's filtering this guy and that guy, how he's doing so much analysis, etctera. He's written all that text, and what cases or arguments has he actually made? A couple bullet points on Grack, and that terrible scummy case on Ryan. That's it.
So yeah that's who I want to lynch tomorrow. This one wanted to literally last-minute vote switch to me 10 min to night post. Just a reminder. Is that what he always or just for the players he is incapable of discerning awful play from versus scum play from?
Why are you insinuating that your play was bad? What are you referring to?
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On March 29 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 06:12 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 06:10 prplhz wrote:On March 29 2013 06:08 prplhz wrote:On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1. I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game. I also think it's a little early to conclude anything about his supposed failing activity. Okay, defend ALL THE THINGS. That's cool and all, but who else would you suggest for a lynching? What reason could you possibly have to not disclose your reads right now? maybe he's a DT and doesn't want his check to get framed? Maybe he's scum and is going to kill you so he doesn't have to answer your question because we totally aren't going to make him answer this exact same stuff whether or not you're dead? maybe he thinks scum will kill him if his reads are correct? (this one is unlikely)
With the DT thing, you should almost never check your scumreads or people you think you can get lynched. You should be checking null reads.
Whaddya think of our buddy prplhz anyway?
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On March 29 2013 06:18 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:On March 29 2013 06:12 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 06:10 prplhz wrote:On March 29 2013 06:08 prplhz wrote:On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1. I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game. I also think it's a little early to conclude anything about his supposed failing activity. Okay, defend ALL THE THINGS. That's cool and all, but who else would you suggest for a lynching? What reason could you possibly have to not disclose your reads right now? maybe he's a DT and doesn't want his check to get framed? Maybe he's scum and is going to kill you so he doesn't have to answer your question because we totally aren't going to make him answer this exact same stuff whether or not you're dead? maybe he thinks scum will kill him if his reads are correct? (this one is unlikely) With the DT thing, you should almost never check your scumreads or people you think you can get lynched. You should be checking null reads. Whaddya think of our buddy prplhz anyway? Do you think I'm scum Hapahauli?
Not sure at all. You're a bit of a wild-card for me right now. Maybe null leaning-town.
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On March 29 2013 06:19 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 06:07 ObviousOne wrote:On March 29 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote:
as for who I want to lynch tomorrow, I'm thinking obviousone.
Forget the retarded backandforth about his meta, here's why:
(1) the case on ryan was super scummy, both the tone and the reasoning.
(2) he's been grubbing for towncred, going back in his own filter and pointing out where he's been right to make sure we all know it, and doing things that are typically "townie looking things that don't help town." example: he posted that big block of bold text about consolidation, then completely dropped it when no one but me responded, then when we were looking at the last minute for someone to lynch, he quoted his own big block of text and was all like "this town sucks right now"
(3) most suspiciously - just look at the amount of effort versus content. He's putting a lot of text in the thread about how he's filtering this guy and that guy, how he's doing so much analysis, etctera. He's written all that text, and what cases or arguments has he actually made? A couple bullet points on Grack, and that terrible scummy case on Ryan. That's it.
So yeah that's who I want to lynch tomorrow. This one wanted to literally last-minute vote switch to me 10 min to night post. Just a reminder. Is that what he always or just for the players he is incapable of discerning awful play from versus scum play from? Why are you insinuating that your play was bad? What are you referring to? It's objectively bad in hindsight. I wanted to lynch Grack. He was town. I wanted to lynch Rayn. I've since changed my mind. I wanted to lynch Kei. Mason claim lends itself to being town. I've tunneled poor targets for poor reasons all of D1. I call it bad because it was wrong and especially when I disregarded Kei's request to talk it out.
Yeah but SnB is attacking you for none of those reasons.
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On March 29 2013 06:23 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 06:21 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 06:19 ObviousOne wrote:On March 29 2013 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 06:07 ObviousOne wrote:On March 29 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote:
as for who I want to lynch tomorrow, I'm thinking obviousone.
Forget the retarded backandforth about his meta, here's why:
(1) the case on ryan was super scummy, both the tone and the reasoning.
(2) he's been grubbing for towncred, going back in his own filter and pointing out where he's been right to make sure we all know it, and doing things that are typically "townie looking things that don't help town." example: he posted that big block of bold text about consolidation, then completely dropped it when no one but me responded, then when we were looking at the last minute for someone to lynch, he quoted his own big block of text and was all like "this town sucks right now"
(3) most suspiciously - just look at the amount of effort versus content. He's putting a lot of text in the thread about how he's filtering this guy and that guy, how he's doing so much analysis, etctera. He's written all that text, and what cases or arguments has he actually made? A couple bullet points on Grack, and that terrible scummy case on Ryan. That's it.
So yeah that's who I want to lynch tomorrow. This one wanted to literally last-minute vote switch to me 10 min to night post. Just a reminder. Is that what he always or just for the players he is incapable of discerning awful play from versus scum play from? Why are you insinuating that your play was bad? What are you referring to? It's objectively bad in hindsight. I wanted to lynch Grack. He was town. I wanted to lynch Rayn. I've since changed my mind. I wanted to lynch Kei. Mason claim lends itself to being town. I've tunneled poor targets for poor reasons all of D1. I call it bad because it was wrong and especially when I disregarded Kei's request to talk it out. Yeah but SnB is attacking you for none of those reasons. SNB wasn't even on my radar for D1. I'm not questioning his reasons for voting me I'm questioning doing it 10 min before deadline.
No, I mean you should actually address SnB's concerns and points instead of saying "lol you don't know the difference between bad play and scum play."
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On March 29 2013 06:32 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 06:27 Acrofales wrote:On March 29 2013 06:19 ObviousOne wrote:On March 29 2013 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 06:07 ObviousOne wrote:On March 29 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote:
as for who I want to lynch tomorrow, I'm thinking obviousone.
Forget the retarded backandforth about his meta, here's why:
(1) the case on ryan was super scummy, both the tone and the reasoning.
(2) he's been grubbing for towncred, going back in his own filter and pointing out where he's been right to make sure we all know it, and doing things that are typically "townie looking things that don't help town." example: he posted that big block of bold text about consolidation, then completely dropped it when no one but me responded, then when we were looking at the last minute for someone to lynch, he quoted his own big block of text and was all like "this town sucks right now"
(3) most suspiciously - just look at the amount of effort versus content. He's putting a lot of text in the thread about how he's filtering this guy and that guy, how he's doing so much analysis, etctera. He's written all that text, and what cases or arguments has he actually made? A couple bullet points on Grack, and that terrible scummy case on Ryan. That's it.
So yeah that's who I want to lynch tomorrow. This one wanted to literally last-minute vote switch to me 10 min to night post. Just a reminder. Is that what he always or just for the players he is incapable of discerning awful play from versus scum play from? Why are you insinuating that your play was bad? What are you referring to? It's objectively bad in hindsight. I wanted to lynch Grack. He was town. I wanted to lynch Rayn. I've since changed my mind. I wanted to lynch Kei. Mason claim lends itself to being town. I've tunneled poor targets for poor reasons all of D1. I call it bad because it was wrong and especially when I disregarded Kei's request to talk it out. So who do you want to lynch now? As I said earlier. I have no clue who you think is scum... and I don't like that at all. You want my suspects? Now? Can you wait for like just before deadline?
I mean it's not like you have a high chance of getting shot. I'd rather have the extra time to discuss your reads.
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Reads 'n Stuff
Yamato needs to die a horrible death tomorrow.
SnB and Sinani need to post more. I'm leaning scum on both. Sinani is a tad more active than I'd expect from his scum-play, however my previous case still stands, and I think his activity (mindlessly pushing Nisani) can be easily replicated as scum.
Starting to come around to the idea of a scum-Palmar. He has 5 pages of filter, but has been fairly useless throughout. His filter is filled with unexplained rationale, and even an unfulfilled promise:
On March 28 2013 21:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 17:36 ObviousOne wrote:On March 28 2013 17:26 Palmar wrote:On March 28 2013 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar why did you agree to the Keirathi lynch pushed by your scumread marv and agreed by your other scumread me? on the off chance I was wrong. He (we, as in Palmar and I) were already wrong on Grack. It could be a fatal disease for both of us. In re-reading the thread (I'm up to p21) I'm leaning town on Rayn btw. You still leaning town on Rayn, Palmar? That's the last I remember of you mentioning him off the top of my head. I'm almost always wrong on my initial day 1 read, which is why I always revise the read before lynchtime. As for rayn, I don't think he's town. I liked his initial contributions but I feel some of the things he said since have been pretty strange. I will elaborate later. Then again, I don't think he's our number 1 scum lynch for tomorrow. I still haven't decided where I want to take that.
If Palmar is active and town, he generally gives more of a shit about the game than this. Hero Mini is a good example, where he's read dumping and pushing lynches left and right.
Null on Marv for reasons previously stated.
Null on Reyn. Liked his defense - made a lot of sense to me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=69#1379
Though otherwise some of Reyn's posts are just off.
OO = Prob-Town. I like his attitude.
Prplhz = Prob-Town
Dandel = Prob-Town unless Yamato flips green.
Acro = Town
Oats = Town for his aggression and multiple call-outs of Palmar.
Kei/Cora Mason claim is legit
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On March 29 2013 06:48 sinani206 wrote:
Hapa, please stop encouraging people to post vital information at night time. We have 48 hours to discuss the next lynch.
This is terrible.
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On March 29 2013 06:56 sinani206 wrote:
Not necessarily doubt, just curious why he needs to know this now.
Why waste 24 hours? Say what you want about "vital information", but we got a lot of shit done this night-cycle.
Reads aren't "vital" enough to be withheld, especially from players who have virtually no chance of getting shot.
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But seriously Sinani... over 24 hours of posting, you come back and all you can talk about is how me generating discussion is bad? No reads, nothing else? Hell if you think this is bad, why didn't you say something before?
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