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On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote: What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious.
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On March 23 2013 06:39 nobodywonder wrote: @JarJar no, i did not take it out of context. that's what I mean. you had your suspicions, but never seemed to act upon til Ray posts. and you do so with a quote of his sentiment. so to me, it does look sheepy.
@Raven, double negative in your post. anyways you seem ...off and perhaps nervous at this thing called scumhunting. why do frorgon and ray worry ypu?
My bad on the Double Neg, sometimes I accidently hit the little mousepaddy thing on the laptop and it moves the cursor so when I reread it I pu the first don't in where it should have been and then forgot to remove the other one. I'm also getting a migrain, been sleeping between my posts, but thats not an excuse.
Its the meta thing man. I basically went after Rainbows for the same reasons I went after Ray and I was completly wrong last game. So I'm nervous about accusing Ray even though he just seems to be swapping around randomly and changing his mind every 5 seconds on who he is convinced is scum.. even rainbows didn't go that far when he was being blood hungry. As to Frorgon, I'm worried about him getting a free pass by just kinda jumping onto issues someone else points out and then skirting away without saying anything. He seems a little scummy to me by trying to force a connection in his one brief post that is counteracted by the evidence so far. His case on Virtu seems more like a sheep onto rainbows and he seems sure of how a godfather acts when he hasn't played one with a godfather yet when we are not certain there even is one. I think he oculd have drawn Godfather himself personally.
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On March 23 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 07:35 TheRavensName wrote:On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote: What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious. Isn't that exactly what i am asking there? But there is no follow up by you for the purpose of trying to get an answer out of him would be my point.
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Hmmm, my opinion of Fish? Theres not much to form an opinion of outside his two list posts. I agree with Ray in thinking the cop comment was a terrible choice, so much so that I wouldn't have been surprised if it was a fish for a reaction, especially sense if they nail our blue day 1 were in pretty bad shape. Plus he doesn't think any of the active people should be interrogated, just the lurkers and... himself? That seems like... quite an odd choice., especially if hes going to lurk so hard and is Mafia. At this point I'm getting a sort of null read, with a slight mafia ting to it. Even though its sorto f my logic as well, I can't help but feel the pushing for Ray to shut up combined with his preference towards lurker interrogating and the possible blue bait attempt, It all adds up to either sloppy and poor play, or mafia play dsguised that way.
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##unvote Raynpelikoneet ##vote: Frorgon I can see that it is unlikely I will get a lynch off of Ray, and I'm starting to view him more like an aggressive townie like rainbows the more this goes on. I'm siwtching my vote to Frorgon, basically because hes lurking pretty had and acting suspicious and non contributing when he actually is here (Via pushing connection cases off of nothing.) Truth be told, your reminding me of arctic, someone who would probably get away if he lurked a little more and only makes himself look bad whenever he posts. I haven't posted against V simply because I don't think hes scum. I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel like I should, but I don't feel like I should go after him if I don't feel hes an issue.
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On March 24 2013 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: What the hell do you mean by V? Virtu. I have a bad habbit of forgetting peoples names as I type them, so I put their first letter and sometimes forget to go back and fix it when I'm done.
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On March 24 2013 08:19 Krafla wrote: Crap, I haven't voted or read anything today (it's my birthday) and I'm just about to go to bed. Uhm I can vote for myself legally right so I don't get mod killed? I'll try and make it up tomorrow, sorry!
##Vote: Krafla The hell?
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On March 24 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote: Is night like no-post time or something?
This lynch was deplorable, and it's absolutely horrendous to wake up to. I figured there would be two wagons that we could analyze but instead someone just got lynched with TWO votes... Anyway, I'm not going to waste time getting mad over this. Posting stuff after resolution, hopefully it can wake some of you guys up.
Its generally ill advised to post till late in the night, so you can't give the mafia a new target. But if you do it at the last second they likely won't have time to change it and you can safely make whatever case you wish.
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On March 25 2013 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 00:33 TheRavensName wrote:On March 24 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote: Is night like no-post time or something?
This lynch was deplorable, and it's absolutely horrendous to wake up to. I figured there would be two wagons that we could analyze but instead someone just got lynched with TWO votes... Anyway, I'm not going to waste time getting mad over this. Posting stuff after resolution, hopefully it can wake some of you guys up. Its generally ill advised to post till late in the night, so you can't give the mafia a new target. But if you do it at the last second they likely won't have time to change it and you can safely make whatever case you wish. This way you also make it impossible to analyze why mafia hit the person they did. Good job there... Analyze what? It leads to WIFOM. You make a case against a townie and then they shoot you,that townie is now instant suspect number one. I'm just giving you the explinations I was given when I asked last time why no one was talking at night.
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I really wish I could read more into his self vote. I would have thought Mfia would jump on it if hes townie but I guess if they knew we were getting a townie anyways... maybe they didn't wanna risk suspicion.
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On March 25 2013 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:I still find TheRavensName the most suspicious person. Here is why: First, this post of his, which i based my case on him on D1: Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. - Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying i think JarJar is hostile which is a pure lie. Because i don't think so. - Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place.- "Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling". Spreading fear. There is no point saying this kinda stuff if you are town. We need discussion and you are not promoting it here at all. You are doing the opposite. This is not townielike at all. Then he tries to make me look bad. Look at this exchange: Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: TheRavensName: Why are you ignoring the fact that i called Frorgon out right after he made his post about you and JarJar? You should really read the whole thread and not only the parts that fit into your cases / suspicions. Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 23 2013 07:52 TheRavensName wrote:On March 23 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 23 2013 07:35 TheRavensName wrote:On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote: What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious. Isn't that exactly what i am asking there? But there is no follow up by you for the purpose of trying to get an answer out of him would be my point. But that's not true at all. I can't make Frorgon post when i want him to. It was a simple question i assumed he would answer the next time he posts. Which he did. I didn't buy his answer as i explained a couple of posts ago. And i think he is scummy. I'm not giving anyone a free pass but it definitely does not help i confront Frorgon or anyone about the same things they have not been able to answer to yet. That kinda stuff will only shit up the thread and does not help at all. After this he just drops the issue without even saying if he thinks i'm wrong or if he agrees with me. The accusation in the first place is a lie as i have pointed out very clearly in the quotes. This masterpiece is from N1: Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 01:01 TheRavensName wrote:On March 25 2013 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 25 2013 00:33 TheRavensName wrote:On March 24 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote: Is night like no-post time or something?
This lynch was deplorable, and it's absolutely horrendous to wake up to. I figured there would be two wagons that we could analyze but instead someone just got lynched with TWO votes... Anyway, I'm not going to waste time getting mad over this. Posting stuff after resolution, hopefully it can wake some of you guys up. Its generally ill advised to post till late in the night, so you can't give the mafia a new target. But if you do it at the last second they likely won't have time to change it and you can safely make whatever case you wish. This way you also make it impossible to analyze why mafia hit the person they did. Good job there... Analyze what? It leads to WIFOM. You make a case against a townie and then they shoot you,that townie is now instant suspect number one. I'm just giving you the explinations I was given when I asked last time why no one was talking at night. Things to notice: - Raven does not give out his reads at the end of N1. Seems like he would already know he is not going to get night killed. - He is trying to stall the discussion. There is no reason why we should not scumhunt on night phases. I never said everyone should scream who is scum before the last hour, there are other things you can do. Like find out who is scum by you know, interacting with people.. --- Other than that, he has done very litte. The only person other than me he has called out (and tbh even talked about so that he reaches some kinda conclusion) is Frorgon. Who flipped green already. He has no real opinions on anyone other than me, and i have already proven them wrong.##Vote: TheRavensName I think my point was valid. Look at it already, people are already taking WIFOM before we are even off the page of he flip. Besides that, I wasn't here between the action cut of and the end of the day post. And as to me not getting shot night one, that would have been a hillarius waste of a kill. You and JarJar have been going after me sense the start of day one, that is 2 out of the seven votes right there, instant majority lynch if they sneak in assuming your both not mafia yourselve (I'm asuming 2 or 3 mafia, either way it would be unpreventable.). As to reads, I am tending to believe that one of either Krafia or NW are scum.. simply because they seemed to just avoid the issue, NW looks especially bad sense Krafia could have easily just gotten himself killed if a few of us would have been around to switch out votes, though I didn't put mine onto him for the reason of it seemed like an incredibly dumb move against my scum read
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On March 26 2013 02:31 nobodywonder wrote:well i got a feeling ##Vote: TheRavensNamei got a feeling that today's gonna be a good lynch Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 04:09 TheRavensName wrote: ##unvote Raynpelikoneet ##vote: Frorgon I can see that it is unlikely I will get a lynch off of Ray, and I'm starting to view him more like an aggressive townie like rainbows the more this goes on. I'm siwtching my vote to Frorgon, basically because hes lurking pretty had and acting suspicious and non contributing when he actually is here (Via pushing connection cases off of nothing.) Truth be told, your reminding me of arctic, someone who would probably get away if he lurked a little more and only makes himself look bad whenever he posts. I haven't posted against V simply because I don't think hes scum. I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel like I should, but I don't feel like I should go after him if I don't feel hes an issue. Raven killed Frogron. bolded words. strange. "I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel I should." what does this even mean? as a town mentality, it simply doesn't make any sense, why imply that virtu is town, and then mention no way to defend or should defend V. garbage filler post obvi. no need to mention virtu, and the explanation on frorgon is rather weak. lol he's suspicious, bad cases. nah, frorgon's cases weren't that bad, but at least he was explaining himself and I felt he was townie-ish. btw @Raven lehhsgo lynch geript and his nutter butter some other time aite ^^ "Evil Prevails when good men fail to act." You failed to act, his blood is as much on your hands as it is mine. Hell you should have been replaced after that for not even putting in a vote.
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On March 23 2013 06:08 nobodywonder wrote: I think of things, what do you think on these things too?
Well case on virtu is valid, virtu if town has terrible play, honestly I kind of want to curse virtu's play. hasn't done stuff besides defending and saying crazy stuff @Virtu are you town? haha at this pt, at least do a good job of pretending to be town.
idk about the post about Jar Jar. seems somewhat like a soft defense of Raven, but honestly I can't read too much into it right now. need some more input from frogron, raven and jarjar
This is really all NW has contributed. Outside of that he has Fosed Jarjar, tried to get me to vote onto jarjar, and has asked question about cases and stuff he has never commented on. But the part that urks me is he pushing the jarjar and me thing when at this point in time jarjar has denied it with great anger quite a few times. Makes me wonder if theres some WIFOM right there, if maybe jarjar is red and its a soft little hinted bus? But still.. I really dislike your play all in all NW, at least bad town play does something.
##Vote NobodyWonder]
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On March 26 2013 04:52 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 06:08 nobodywonder wrote: I think of things, what do you think on these things too?
Well case on virtu is valid, virtu if town has terrible play, honestly I kind of want to curse virtu's play. hasn't done stuff besides defending and saying crazy stuff @Virtu are you town? haha at this pt, at least do a good job of pretending to be town.
idk about the post about Jar Jar. seems somewhat like a soft defense of Raven, but honestly I can't read too much into it right now. need some more input from frogron, raven and jarjar
This is really all NW has contributed. Outside of that he has Fosed Jarjar, tried to get me to vote onto jarjar, and has asked question about cases and stuff he has never commented on. But the part that urks me is he pushing the jarjar and me thing when at this point in time jarjar has denied it with great anger quite a few times. Makes me wonder if theres some WIFOM right there, if maybe jarjar is red and its a soft little hinted bus? But still.. I really dislike your play all in all NW, at least bad town play does something. ##Vote NobodyWonder]
EBWOP: ##Vote NobodyWonder
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On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote: TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part. How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up.
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On March 26 2013 14:31 nobodywonder wrote:EBWOP I don't like it. as for Raven Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote: TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part. How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up. why so bitter? just get scumhunting, who cares if some guy is annoying you, if you're town, just scumhunt. anyways raven you're just so off from last game, that it is suspicious. I wold like to add to my case that you saying my play from previous game was so ratically different when no one else from that game is and trying to force the idea that I am scummy because of it, when last game I was viewed as scum, for being different then how I was in the pre game,quite some time until the actual scums were figured out. In actuality, this is exactly how I played during the end of that game. Other people would have commented by now, such as rainbows or krafia, if it was so different. If you think my play is so scummy just vote on me, don't afk through another lynch and don't hide behind this friendly advice giver guise.
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On March 26 2013 23:43 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 22:49 TheRavensName wrote:On March 26 2013 14:31 nobodywonder wrote:EBWOP I don't like it. as for Raven On March 26 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote: TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part. How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up. why so bitter? just get scumhunting, who cares if some guy is annoying you, if you're town, just scumhunt. anyways raven you're just so off from last game, that it is suspicious. I wold like to add to my case that you saying my play from previous game was so ratically different when no one else from that game is and trying to force the idea that I am scummy because of it, when last game I was viewed as scum, for being different then how I was in the pre game,quite some time until the actual scums were figured out. In actuality, this is exactly how I played during the end of that game. Other people would have commented by now, such as rainbows or krafia, if it was so different. If you think my play is so scummy just vote on me, don't afk through another lynch and don't hide behind this friendly advice giver guise. TRN is so town guys -.- Get the fuck off of him. Kill virtu / kill NW. Everyone keeps saying Raven's play is different and he's lying or whatever, but he's coming off super townie to me right now. I need to apologize for that staement. I forgot NW had voted for me about when I voted for him and only remembered when the vote tally was posted.
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On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote: Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel. Right then, I'm going to switch my vote ##Vote: TheRavensNameI've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best. I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two? By that logic, you should be voting for Ray because he wanted to lynch you so badly and then let it go. This is a blatant sheep trying to blend in with the crowd Krafia, by both you and NW with passable reasons that are basically just enough to pretend to not just be saying :Cause I think we can get him lynched yay mislynching.
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Also have you even looked at rainbow's filter? He says why he swapped. I'll let you find it yourself, so that you can pretend to have read it.
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Your case seems to be against RAinbows Jarjar, why are you not voting for him over Virtu?
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