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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 02:03 GMT
#3003
Well I'm going to go back and reread. My vote on WoS is obviously doing no good right now.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 03:18 GMT
#3014
On March 30 2013 11:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript you had a town read on glurio for much of the game, right?
And since you've thought I was scum the whole game too what did you think of glurio being the first to make a case on me all game.

I lean null-town towards glurio. Honestly, I didn't even remember his case on you. He hasn't stuck out in my mind like Randombum or RestrainingOrder did last game.

Here are the posts he's made that caught my eye when I was looking over his filter agian:
On March 22 2013 22:31 glurio wrote:
Wrong about GK, testsubject and me.
You've got quite the theme going there.

And my single post is probably gonna be more useful than whatever you write this entire cycle if you go on like this.

On March 26 2013 01:23 glurio wrote:
(to Test)
What about you? Only had one bullet?

Unflipped Test called town, but Glurio seems to put far more weight into roleclaims than I do. Asking how many bullets a vig has is pretty scummy though. I guess that could explain the roleblock on you last night instead of Test. Still doesn't explain where it was N1. Honestly WoS, I'd just rather vote back on you again but it does no good if I can't get support. Whatever, it's not my fault if people won't listen to me.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 03:20 GMT
#3015
@TPS Since you're so gungho about lynching Glurio, will you please provide a case?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 03:27 GMT
#3017
Hmm, let me look at that post again then as that reminds me of the second podcast where they mentioned that Hapa and Vivax called someone town who they shouldn't know was town. brb.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 03:30 GMT
#3018
Ok, sure whatever, nutter butter.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 04:33 GMT
#3026
Yah, I've gotten to be more of a softie on babies since doing the OB clinical. Unfortunately my sister-in-law is noticing. I may have to change baby diapers now.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 07:16 GMT
#3033
I doubt there are any more town KP and there clearly isn't a town roleblocker. Even if there were, we have 2 NKs for 2 nights in a row regardless of scum lynch.

Scum QT here
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/3kPNZtBHBCUs

Out of curiosity can I get the OBS QT link?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 07:30 GMT
#3037
I understand the wiggles lynch, but I agree it's pretty bad. It's a lynch that just 'happened.' His "I'm going to get lynched so here's my reads and you need to follow up on them" was exceptionally pro-town imo. I'm really dying to know why people thought I was town.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 07:32 GMT
#3040
Also, Glurio I thought you actually played pretty decently considering; I'd just like to see 2-3 times the activity. I forget which point it was exactly maybe around when you made the "sheeping vivax" post but definitely by the point when you called me out for tunneling I wasn't sure that we'd be able to mislynch you.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 07:33 GMT
#3041
2 KP until we get down to 2 scum when it becomes 1. Yah DP, I tried to get them onto the bus. They just wouldn't listen.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 07:34 GMT
#3043
He didn't know at all. He just thought you were scum and going to try and secure a mislynch.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 08:25 GMT
#3063
Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is. Personally, I don't see why he even has a smurf account considering how bad he is at using it and it's not like his smurf is a secret.

Either way, I would love to have some constructive criticism on my play.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 08:30 GMT
#3073
On March 30 2013 17:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, and I'm gonna be 100% clear here, I DO access Wade Fell from chrome and Blazinghand from Firefox, and I have done this for all my smurfs. I'm actually dumb enough that I forget what browser I'm using. I can't go saying this in the thread during the game though because nobody will believe me.

I'd believe you I had you caught halfway into D1. My real question is why when I present a bus attempt does no one even read it? I know that Wiggles noted in his case that I had a 5-6 page filter and he had me at null (which I was ecstatic about), but I really think that newbs get listened to far less often than they should.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 08:33 GMT
#3079
On March 30 2013 17:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
WBG was smurfing this game? Who was he?
Any specific critiques of my terrible play anyone has?
I couldn't make a read this game to save my life and I apparently have no idea how to even go about doing it.....

I would say: Read more and post less. I would also comb through what dead townies post. It's not all usable, but Ryu should've been hung on the bus attempt I made on him. It was a weak bus attempt sure, but when multiple dead townies are saying the same thing then people really should be taking a closer look.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 08:37 GMT
#3082
You could've stopped at "but you overthink." I do. Well I can't wait to see a full review.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 08:42 GMT
#3086
I'll side with VE on that. I don't have a problem with shitting up the thread or pushing people on tilt. It's a fine line between attacking the player and attacking the person though.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 08:46 GMT
#3092
Honestly, I thought VE played well considering. I was really trying to find any reason to hang my vote on him, but it's very hard to look towny when you're being unreasonable and your opposition is being exceptionally reasonable. I knew that I was fucked if I kept it there.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 20:05 GMT
#3152
Here are a few of the key things I learned from being on a good scum team:
1. Pay attention to thread sentiment. This is important for a few reasons. First, it will tell you who you can attack without people raising an eye at. For example, I thought the timing on my attack on Mocsta and BH was right on. Second, it tells you how town perceives both you and other members of your scum team. This is important because it tells you what you can get away with. Third, it tells you how you will be allowed to sheep onto cases without drawing suspicion.
2. Keep yourself on a need to know basis. You don't need to know what your teams exact plans for NKs are. The more you know, the more you can slip and the easier you will be caught. Voice your opinion but don't focus on trying to run the show.
3. Don't let your teammates edit your posts. Definitely run you post ideas past your team and let them know the direction you're heading in. Definitely have your team proof your ideas for obvious slips and scum logic. Don't let them write your posts for you. You need to sound like you.
4. You need to be reading the thread as much if not more than town does. Early in day 2 I caught myself not reading my teammates filters. Being self aware is important but being wholly ignorant on a group of players is bad.
5. Set a goal. My goal for this game was to survive until I could be bussed on D4. This really helped give me more confidence both to post and to push random bullshit as I progressed.
6. What you don't post is as important as what you do post. Letting the thread take its course is as important as directing and disrupting the thread. Just like driving on the interstate, it's important to follow the pack as much as it is to lead it. Your job is to misdirect traffic; correcting traffic is towns job. Play to both aspects but focus more on the former than the latter.
7. You are the best scum hunter around because you know who is scum. Your knowledge of who scum shows you where players are playing against town perspective; this is a huge trap. This can lead to two dichotomies that you must avoid: being the best scum hunter and being the worse scum hunter. Don't avoid good cases or points that are being made but don't make the good cases for town to follow either.
8. Don't respond to every little bullshit suspicion. I think one of my two best posts was responding to sciberbia's Zare/Geript RNG association post. Find a way to respond and deflect actual cases. You can respond and deflect bad towny logic as you need to to prevent it from snowballing. Responding to every little thing against you or your teammates looks odd, stupid and scummy.
9. Don't be afraid to fabricate your own bullshit. Don't push random stupid bullshit but don't be afraid to push and pressure townies when they've made huge mistakes in order to push a mislynch. At points between mid-D2 and mid-D4 I backed off because I couldn't find a 'good case' to push. You need to create your own openings so don't be afraid to play to your win con.
10. Keep notes on bad towny play. This will really help when you're aiming to push mistakes. Do your homework on meta cases to help supplement your cases. I was sitting on scum meta points on Laya, Kita and DYH dependent on where I needed to try and throw my weight behind.
11. Ask yourself the questions that you expect to be asked from town. You can't anticipate every question you will be asked, but this helps you answer both confidently and quickly--two things that come across as being towny.
12. Don't be wishywashy. The less confident you come off as, the more scummy you will look and the more scrutiny you will get. Posting confidently helps you slide under the radar.
13. Don't be afraid to look a little scummy. Town don't give a fuck about looking scummy. It's fine to look a little scummy lots of the little stupid points are easy to shrug off. Being "super town" is as bad as you have to explain why you're still alive. Aim to stay ahead of the tail but not at the head.
14. Don't hard defend your mislynches. The harder you defend mislynches then the harder is is to attack them later on. Plus, it makes it very hard to not catch attention when you do.
15. Don't answer questions and don't give information. My best post IMO was my first response to Mocsta mid D2 regarding layabout (while on the WoS scum hunt train). If you look at the exchange, I never actually take an actual stance on layabout. Moc asked about people on the GM wagon D1; I then gave a generic response. Moc asked about layabout in specific; I answered by differentiating Layabout from what exactly Moc asked regarding GM and then stated that Layabout looked like he did in LX. Moc assumed (and wrote) that I was saying he looked town-ish. Don't give them an inch of rope to let them hang you.
16. Call people out for bullshit. VE's original cases weren't great. Moc's initial defense of WoS was bad (because he didn't read the thread and assumed) attacking both them AND the mislynch makes you look good. Capitalize on town mistakes.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 30 2013 21:25 GMT
#3154
Out of curiousity, Bugs what do you think of my points?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 31 2013 00:30 GMT
#3162
On March 31 2013 09:21 cosmicomics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 31 2013 09:13 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 30 2013 18:02 RyuSuzaku wrote:
On March 30 2013 18:00 Ace wrote:
I was asleep. But seriously I didn't even have a ton of time and I thought I made well reasoned posts, trying to keep everyone focused on 1 thing at a time. Somehow I got blamed for "telling everyone to stop scumhunting" and got lynched.

Sigh v_v


that's why I smurfed (not enough time to keep up my posting standard).

if I was on my normal acc I would've definitely played a different game. Well, if I was forced to not smurf I probably wouldn't have played, but w/e.

+ Show Spoiler +
also note that I mean I felt like I could've posted satisfactorily, but it would have been less than normal, i.e. I would take a lot of flak from people for not posting enough to my meta


Same exact reason I smurfed. Like, I want to play mafia, but I'll have an incredibly tough time playing since I don't have the same type of time available.


Can someone explain the layabout's mirror restriction? I assumed if I ever recruited mafia, their win con would change and they would just work to bus all the members, as it is the fastest, easiest way to victory. Layabout, what did your conversion PM say?


From what I can tell Layabout became completely 3p-aligned. He just got totally suckered when Kita lied and said he too was converted.

Why didn't he just proceed to bus every member and be heralded as best town player of all time?

e: as soon as day 2?

I think he didn't straight up bus us for a few reasons. One, it is kinda a douchey thing to do. Two, he figured that there were multiple ways he could win (bus us if things got bad to win with 3P or win with 3P after mafia took over). Three, we were under the assumption that 3P could recruit any number of players opening up a 3P/scum co-win by alternating recruits on town/scum to create a super majority. In short I think he thought he could play both sides against the middle.
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