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First off, @Laya, Kita is right and it read to me like "why haven't we lynched these guys" list. As far as confirmed townie status, WoS is far far from that. No one has explained why a roleblock would go to Keirathi or why scum JOAT would RB WoS instead of just kill him. His claim is tenuous at best. Second @Kita I covered why burying a RB on Keirathi is mostly insane. No reason IMO to bury one on Keirathi over VE. Why is TestSubject the only other person to bring this up? @Zare layabout was leading the lynch with a whole 2 votes, why switch sides? Right now my lynch preference is WoS, Cosmic, Laya but I really need to look into filters again. | ||
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On March 27 2013 04:41 zarepath wrote: I switched because I felt less okay about lynching layabout on a potential LYLO day when he actually voted for BH at one point when it wasn't necessary to bus. Umm there's what 14 people left... Why do you think this is LYLO? What you hiding bro? | ||
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On March 21 2013 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah I don't get it. Is that just him giving up? This really sucks especially if VE was town; we're going to be looking at 13-14/5/? D3 Unvote: Mr. Wiggles Vote: VisceraEyes Hmm that reminded me... How'd WoS know we were going to be looking at exactly 5 scum? | ||
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If Darth is right, then we have have 1-2 scum in the bag regardless and using standard X/2 KP then it'd go (starting 7-4-2) something like 5-4, 5-3, 4-3, 4-2; in 8-3-2 then hitting 3P is perfectly fine as at worst we'd be at MYLO tomorrow. Considering our start, I don't think that's too much to ask for. If we keep them around, then it's what... lik 7-3-2 or 6-4-2 or 8-2-2. If we lynch scum in Kita/Ryu then it's like 6-2-2 as of tomorrow or similar. We still don't get to trust Cosmic/Laya. I'm not seeing a major difference either way as all this does imo is make it harder to lynch confirmed non-town. If Kita is right, then there's no reason to go from 9-4 or 8-5 into a mislynch. I could see scum pulling something like this in this type of situation; anything to not get lynched right? In fact, was it discussed some last game or maybe in NMM38 or somewhere? Honestly, right now I couldn't care less what it is. The town presumes it has a rolecop and we likely have 1-2 vets to give reads throughout the night. I'd rather clear a threat now as I'm not seeing the numbers difference off the top of my head as even if we do lynch scum today, 3P likely pushes mislynch tomorrow. | ||
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On March 27 2013 13:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry dude, you're wrong this time. Mafia absolutely needs to die today BECAUSE THEY LOSE A KP. Now how exactly will you be proving that DP is a noob? For the last time, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? Any setup speculation is just that speculation. We don't know shit. I'm also pretty sure that the numbers work out either way. Anyways, I really need to sleep because I can't be late. | ||
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On March 25 2013 14:16 Coagulation wrote: ryu and geript are who im looking at for lynch tomorrow. Also towards the end of N3, VE was pushing Ryu. As a matter of fact, VE has been pushing Ryu all game long but nobody really seems to have noticed that fact including DYH. On March 27 2013 05:30 RyuSuzaku wrote: yo all. We kill cosmic today, and I will accept no other lynches. Having looked over the dead players last night, everyone calls him scum, yet no one actually votes him. There are plenty of reasons already stated by other players (kita and wiggles among them) and so I'm not going to bother rehashing those. ##vote cosmicomics This is the post that bothers me the most. I can understand the sentiment, but there's clearly more than 1 scum. That fact that he's unwilling to accept any other lynches seems very un-towny; not in the sense that he's trying to push his read and won't accept other cases, but moreso from the fact that he doesn't really seem to actually be trying to push the cosmic case at all. All he does is get in a bitch fest with anyone he can. I don't understand the point behind not trying to push your case at all. What's even more odd about it is that he won't accept any less than a Cosmic lynch when Ryu hasn't even mentioned Cosmic in is filter previously as suspicious. That's suspicious as fuck especially since Cosmic flipped 3P. Either way, I'm going to reread VE's filter. I have class and work most of tomorrow but will have sporadic periods when I can post. | ||
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On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote: They haven't I just reread. I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town. Your turn. What do you think of Ryu? On March 20 2013 08:16 Wade Fell wrote: zZz On March 20 2013 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote: What the fuck is this? I answered your question, why won't you answer mine? On March 20 2013 08:18 Wade Fell wrote: more clearly: I don't like ryu, and as I mentioned, I think the case you initially outlined against him is reasonable. Given that TPS has like straight-up claimed scum, doesn't remember his own read on coag and has let slip that he thinks coag is town I don't see why anyone wants to not lynch TPS though First off, look at this interaction. Does BH actually answer VE's question? Not at all. This is just a generic +1. In fact, BH actually directly tries to deflect away. As far as BH actually goes to mention Ryu (other than in his mason log with VE) is this short comment. However, if you read the VE-BH mason logs, then you find a real gem: 33 03-18-2013 06:34 PM ET (US) I was spitballing with you but you stated it as reasoning for wanting to lynch Ryu. For my part I just don't care what that says about anyone else yet. XD So I'm not crazy then? That's logical and I'm not losing my shit here? 34 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:51 PM ET (US) You're entirely non-crazy. I'll slap down a patented (link)-filled blazinghand style case on Ryu before the end of the night and see how he reacts to it. Does BH ever drop a case on Ryu? No. In fact, I can't find a point at which BH does more than FoS Ryu and even that he put in the middle of a bunch of other players. Right now, I'm only willing to sheep dead players. I'm willing to vote for two people today unless someone else makes a strong case otherwise. Those two people are Ryu and WoS. | ||
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Point 1. Complete Wifom. I don't see how this is worthwhile point. Point 2. This doesn't make him scum necessarily. In fact, town can want that because scum could randomly claim someone else's role/role name. Point 3. I don't consider that a strong push on wiggles. The point on forgetting the Kita case is quite good. I'll take another look into that specifically after work tonight. For what it's worth, I need to go back and look at the timing etc of his case on Layabout. I really liked many of his points on Layabout and that really moved Zare to towny-null. But actually after thinking about the mirror role more I think I should go back and have another look at Zare. What do you think of my points on Ryu? @Wave--if you want me to read/evaluate things specifically please don't put it in the middle of a big paragraph. | ||
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On March 29 2013 09:32 zarepath wrote: geript, when I talked about the Kitaman case, I meant CC's case on Kitaman. Sorry on phone. I don't remember asking about the kita in case. Could you clarify what you're saying? | ||
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Let's examine the roleblock scenario if there is a scum roleblocker. N1: Roleblock Keirathi (couldn't be VE because he would likely be dead if roleblocks work as in normal games). I would like to point out again that this choice of actions makes zero sense. There's no reason to RB Keirathi IMO. N2: Roleblock WoS N3: Roleblock WoS N4: Roleblock WoS. This action makes zero sense either as DP's post pretty much said ignore any red check claim from WoS. More importantly, TestSubject had claimed Vigilante. If you're in a good position as scum are you going to risk allowing a claimed Vigilante who hit scum once to have a second shot if it's possible? Point 2. WIFOM Deadguy stuff If you don't trust me on the matter, then you really should listen to these guys: + Show Spoiler [sciberbia] + On March 21 2013 10:48 sciberbia wrote: on WoS His blueclaim does not affect my opinion on his alignment. I still think he is pretty likely to be scum, but I am willing to wait to see if he is still alive tomorrow, which I think he will be. On March 21 2013 11:12 sciberbia wrote: I have read every page of the thread at least once, and I do in fact have major doubts about your claim, as I just said. Maybe I'm wrong though. We'll see D3 I guess. On March 21 2013 12:14 sciberbia wrote: @WoS I did read the thread and I know you claim to have investigated TPS. Which is why it's odd to me that you bring him up as useless and say you "read" him as town when if you are a cop then you know for a fact he is town. Anyway, you are not the lynch today so I'm dropping this. On March 28 2013 15:59 DarthPunk wrote: Lynch Ryu and Kita. If Kita doesn't die tonight he is basically guaranteed to be scum. plus all the stuff with Blazinghand and flying under the radar. If Wave of Shadow doesn't die tonight he is scum and needs to be lynched. + Show Spoiler [DarthPunk] + On March 28 2013 14:01 DarthPunk wrote: Read kita's and Ryu's filters and tell me what you think. Tell me what you think of kita's zero interaction with Blazing hand. + Show Spoiler [TestSubject983] + On March 27 2013 12:28 TestSubject893 wrote: Well this throws a wrench in things. I was all ready to come back and stack on cosmic since no one believes me that WoS is obviously scum.... I don't see any reason not to believe him since layabout isn't objecting. I guess its possible that they're both scum. Its also possible that they actually are gonna get some KP later and are just lying. Hmmm.... gotta think about this. On March 26 2013 01:24 TestSubject893 wrote: Its ok for you to play terrible because you're gonna get RBed? That's your excuse? Not gonna cut it. I've never seen anyone but scum express this sentiment. I don't know why'd you'd say this as town. On March 26 2013 01:13 TestSubject893 wrote: You've played exactly like a scum would if they fake claimed, so if you're town you've only got yourself to blame for us mislynching today. ##Vote: WaveofShadow As scum, there's direct incentive to remove players who are making sense and players who are on the right track. There are 3 dead guys who wanted to lynch WoS. How does that read to you? Point 3. Next let's look at Day 2 when Wave came under pressure: What's his direct response to pressure? This: On March 20 2013 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote: I progressively find him (Wiggles) scummier as the day progresses and he accomplishes dick all. I could of course go into more detail if you wish, but then you'd still just call that voting based on town sentiment. Would you rather I just pick someone at random who hasn't been suspected so far just for shits to make you feel better? I see Mr. Wiggles as scum right now and that's where my vote is. AT least until such times as he comes back and proves to the town that he's not useless, throwing mediocre suspicions all over the place and being generally non-comittal. That's right he voted for Wiggles. Wiggles already had a wagon started on him with Zarepath, GK and VE voting for him. Is there any reasoning behind why Wiggles is scum? No, this is just a deflection towards a lurker. Point 4. He voted with his scum reads on the deflection onto WIggles: + Show Spoiler [VE is scummy] + On March 20 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok looking at the cosmic case on VE, there are a few things that are reaching just a little bit, but overall the inconsistencies pointed out in VE's play are pretty damning. Even more damning may be the fact that VE returns to the thread and completely ignores the (clearly good) case on him without trying to defend any of the points made on these inconsistencies, rather he just adds another post weakly pushing BH again. I'm interested to hear what BH himself thinks of this evidence, especially since he had originally regarded VE as his strognest town read at the time. GK regarding your post on Wiggle, I originally had him as a townread but he has done dick all since yesterday aside from this: which adds nothing of value at all. I think for now my scumread on VE is stronger but at least he is around to maybe provide some defense. Wiggle's posts are useless but VE's are blatant contradictions. I'm having a lot of trouble trusting either VE or BH right now but it's seeming more and more to me that one of them may have to be scum. On March 20 2013 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote: K glurio. GL buddy. I'll look into cosmic's VE case again, but in the end I think it just makes me assume that one of either VE or BH has to be scum. The super hard defense of GK by BH makes me think if he's scum then likely GK is too btu I don't know how likely that is, despite my conspiracy theory and the QT 'scumslip.' Speaking of which I remember harboring concerns about VE's town circle earlier on D1, but now we're on D2 and we haven't heard anything. Was it a joke or what? + Show Spoiler [BH+GK scummy] + On March 20 2013 05:08 WaveofShadow wrote: You misunderstand. I said it's more likely for BH/GK logs to be faked than BH/VE, if you read my case. I also never said they faked the logs entirely, I assume by the timestamps that they were actually using the mason QT but it is a possibility they are using the scum QT to discuss what to put in the mason QT in case they had to show logs. Much like my conspiracy theory-type posts from LX, I can perfectly understand if people think they're retarded, but I think it's at least worth consideration. On March 20 2013 06:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright there we go, so there goes one of cosmic's points against you...that wasn't so hard. The other point (I don't care about the DP nonsense) that struck home for me was you fingering GK earlier on and then assuming he was town to make the case against BH. I'll link for your convenience: Do you agree with both BH and GK being scum partners and that the logs were faked? Point 5. He treats BH and VE differently Despite being back and forth as to who is scum (at first he's thinking BH+GK are scum, then he agrees that VE looks scummy, then he's back to BH+GK), The main thing that you'll really notice about this whole exchange is how in the whole time he doesn't really attack or pressure BH in any way. As a matter of fact, he takes the softball approach with BH: On March 20 2013 06:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I feel that CC is the one who should be doing this right now. Looking forward to see what DYH adds later on. Ohai BH! What say you about the VE case? Whereas on VE he's far more direct: On March 20 2013 05:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok, but the point remains. Were you or were you not saying your case was weak without the mason logs? If you have the mason logs available to you now, what has changed? Let's look at his record for votes for the day: Wiggles, then VE then GK. That's right, despite thinking and saying this: I'm having a lot of trouble trusting either VE or BH right now but it's seeming more and more to me that one of them may have to be scum. He still manages to never vote for BH. As town, the logical thing to do would be to if one of VE or BH are scum is to pick a side, in the worst you can get a Vig to shoot the other. You learn very little if GK is town as BH could still be scum and VE could still be town. Point 6. N4/D5 progression. WoS ends the night with this. On March 28 2013 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Ryu is slightly more questionable but I don't think kita is scum; this hasn't changed for me. There are a lot of people who have not interacted with other people in the thread whatsoever either, just because BH-kita is one example does not make him scum. I don't see you having interacted with DYH at all despite you calling him scum. You also haven't interacted with Kenpachi. What does that mean? Note the subtle attempt to discredit. "Uhh, I don't think that non-interaction is scummy, but why haven't you interacted with XYZ people?" He starts off D5 with a weak case on Zarepath. Then when people don't respond and I shoot it down, he moves his vote onto DYH. Next and MOST IMPORTANTLY Kita posts two cases, the first on Glurio+ Show Spoiler + On March 29 2013 09:45 kitaman27 wrote: Glurio I already outlined a case against Glurio, but that was a couple days ago so I'll update based on the events of the last few days. Case for reference: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2013 03:46 kitaman27 wrote: For tomorrow, someone I think we should be looking at is glurio. To start the game, he posts suspicion against coag, stating that coag is useless, without actually calling coag scummy. Rather than actually voting for coag, he votes for DP, a player he never actually mentions in the thread. It's not like DP was more of a lynch-able candidate as there were only 2 votes on him. During the first cycle, he never actually mentions GreYMisT, which is significant considering he was the main lynch candidate for the day. He soft defends BH, without actually providing a reason why he doesn't have a scum read on him. With the day two vote, he votes for Mocsta as the lone vote. At no point in the cycle does he try to convince others to vote Mocsta, only that he was going with his "gut". After the BH flip, he explains how BH's interaction with Wiggles is scum-to-scum conversation, yet decides to vote cosmicomics. Glurio complains that no one listens to him, but on day one and two there was actually nothing to listen to. How are we supposed to be convinced by his posts if his only explanation is his gut? Overall, Glurio feels like an observer this game, looking to stay under the radar and lacks the town motivation to push a lynch. It seems that he cares more about survival and doing his own thing, voting for players that have no chance of being lynched. He would be a good lynch candidate tomorrow. First I want to highlight the following post: When I listed glurio and CC as my top scum reads, glurio responded with the above question. A scum glurio would very well know that I would have no explanation, even though both players would be anti-town. He tries to tie his alignment to the alignment of another player to make me question my reads. Notice the wording of this post. After the mirror claim, rather than stating "cosmic is scum", he states that "he couldn't convince me he is town." As a mafia glurio, would certainly know that cosmic is third party, the way he phrases this statement betrays the fact that he has additional knowledge about the game. In his soft-defense of BH, he disregards any notion of potentially voting for him, but doesn't provide any reasoning why. Last cycle glurio expresses his suspicion of layabout, yet now he has failed to even bring him up, shifting his suspicion towards myself and ryu. Why post suspicion of a player without following through with it, unless you want to create distance from a player in case one of you two flip. Look how glurio attacks WoS's checks, but refuses to actually call him scummy. He calls the checks terrible, yet never states what conclusion he comes to based on the checks. What point is there to cast suspicion on a player that you have a town read? glurio is playing the classic backseat mafia role. He has no interest in attracting any attention, being involved in any arguments or pushing any lynches. If I had to pick one word to characterize his play, it would be "safe". I can't find one post that shows glurio feels strongly about a single issue He votes for a player on day one with two other votes. He votes for a player on day two with zero other votes. Rather than scum hunting, he is hunting for players to vote for that will keep him out of the spotlight. Notice in his defense post about how his wasn't around for the second half of either cycle. Instead of pushing his lynch, his is throwing down his vote and returning 24 hours later to find out who flipped. glurio is scum On March 29 2013 10:01 kitaman27 wrote: People are all giving layabout a free pass due to his third party conversion and his attack on BH. The important thing to remember is that on day two his alignment changed. Comparing his play from day one to day two, the part the stands out is that his attacks on BH don't start until he becomes third party. On day one he doesn't mention BH, yet after being converted he suddenly wants BH lynched. Look how flippy floppy layabout is with his lynch target on day four. He doesn't care who gets lynched, he is just voting for the player that is most likely to have the most votes. He calls DP scum, then turns around and votes with DP. A third party player who was originally town would want a scum lynch since it would mean that if he was ever converted back, he would be in a better position. A third party player that was originally mafia would simply push whatever option was available. layabout is scum As town if you have a town read on someone + Show Spoiler + On March 29 2013 14:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and to answer Geript, yes I still have a townread on kita; I don't really see any reason to doubt him right now despite what others have been saying---there has been no conrete evidence of a scum kita. On March 29 2013 02:42 WaveofShadow wrote: So we're at LYLO, we're completely in the dark as to what's going on with last night's resolution of actions and we have 8 posts total in almost 12 hours. So at LYLO, you completely ignore your town read's posts and instead go off on another tangents. That is not consistent with town play. Point 7. Everything is wrong with this post. On March 29 2013 12:32 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not 100% sure of zarepath; I tried to generate discussion with my case which didn't seem to really happen. I'm not 100% sure of anyone today. I'm very surprised that DP was actually able to pick out that zare was my investigation target for last night; I'm not entirely sure how he did it since I didn't base any of my earlier investigation targets on who I was mainly targeting during the day. I'm especially interested because it must mean that DP has some solid insights into my play and perhaps the play of others, except for the whole fact that, ya know, I'm not scum. I was also debating a gambit where I essentially lied about being not being roleblocked in order to fake a red check on whoever my top scumread would be for the day, which may or may not have worked despite DP apparently foreseeing me doing something like that---[b]I doubt I would have been able to keep people from tunneling me if they sniffed out the lie however (ie Geript).[b] I'm going to be around for the next little bit and tomorrow as well so I will do my very best to help out in any way that I can; I'm sorry my role has been useless (and potentially harmful if TPS does in fact flip red at some point) this game. For now I vote DoYouHas because as I see it, there is absolutely no excuse for being useless at LYLO unless you want town to lose; that remains the clearest thing to me right now amidst a sea of suspicion. Vote: DoYouHas First off, notice the attempt to discredit DP. He's saying that DP both had a good read on him (knowing who he would target) and a bad read on him (he's town). More importantly, he doesn't even go on to defend or explain why he thinks DP is right or wrong about WoS, Kita or Ryu. Second off, notice how “as town” he considered lying about a red check. As town, if you think you're at LYLO, WHY LIE? There's no reason. Not only are people going to have a hard time believing you because of DP's last post, but WoS hasn't had good reads at all. He never even took a real side on the whole VE/BH “one of them must be scum” concept. Why should anyone believe him? The reason why he didn't want to do it was because there's no way we'd believe him or trust him if he did. Third, notice the subtle “don't look/tunnel me plz” comment. I cut him some rope today because I've historically thought he was scum and because glurio made a good point on it, But at this point, it's not bad townie play, it's pure malicious. Fourth, for someone who hasn't put a vote on scum or found scum or "rolechecked" scum (other than perhaps Zarepath) it's damn hypocritical to call someone else useless. That's not creating townie atmosphere; it's trying to bury someone. | ||
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Not all wine is created equal folks. You count the number of dead people who wanted WoS dead. There's only one person who wanted him dead who isn't dead (me) and that's clearly because no one has listened to me all game long. Here's why you shouldn't believe WoS' responses: Much like I pointed out in my case against DYH, you conveniently ignore possible scenarios if they don't fit your explanation. N1 they didn't necessarily have to roleblock anybody, thereby creating the suspicion against me (or whoever their eventual target would be) when it mysteriously appeared. Your point on N4 makes a lot more sense except for the fact that Test had already used his shot and they KILLED him anyway. Why RB when you can kill someone?? As far as DP is concerned, I've already mentioned (as you point out later) I applaud his prediction skills but just because he says something doesn't mean mafia have to follow it. No reason not to roleblock if they have it. No reason to roleblock Keirathi. No reason to risk allowing Test as second shot if he has a second bullet (both roleblocking him and killing him). I stand by the fact that he appeared scummy ever since my read on him changed at the beginning of the game. Zero regrets. Reasons for voted provided after the vote. He found his target then he found his reasons. Same way with DYH. Lol is this your 'behavioural analysis' horseshit again? Because I honestly see no difference at all and you're really reaching here. It shows. I was unsure as to BH/VE and I attempted to ask them questions at various points during the day. That's all there is to it, really, but then again you do love looking wayyyy into things when there isn't anything huh? If you're scum then I applaud you for this game but if you're town, you really need to rethink the way you play this game since you've incorrectly fingered me as mafia in every game we've played aside from NMM 37 How one interacts is important. WoS wanted to make BH look better because they're scum buddies. Also, notice how WoS tries to completely discredit me by lumping this with my 'psych/behavioral analysis' stuff. Notice how WoS wants to suggest that I'm scum. Someone asked me about his reads (may have been kita himself, I forget) and I didn't find anything wrong with his cases per se, but I didn't find them particularly compelling in any way. Kinda like this case. I need more to go on about every single read that has popped up today and for the most part, I haven't gotten it so I didn't want to comment about it yet. Notice how WoS doesn't really say his case is shit. WoS is trying to get people on his side. Don't believe him. WoS is SCUM Fuck this game is so frustrating. I'm taking a break. | ||
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