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On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote: Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. Being defensive is a newbie scum trait, so I don't think that really plays much of a part. This is his 5th or 6th game though, so he should be more than capable of pushing a case. In one of his early posts he mentions how he would rather not provide a scum read until he is prepared to develop a strong case. It's 100+ hours and 60ish pages into the game and he still hasn't done so. On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote: Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too. As I mentioned on day one, I believe GK's play has been scummy. He is a player I'm considering providing a more detailed case about. Zarepath is also a player that doesn't look town, but I'm not sure I feel as strongly as with the previous two reads. I'm having trouble deciding whether cosmicomics is pushing mafia objectives or if he is just a misguided townie that is lost somewhere in left field. I'm concerned with the apathy displayed by players like Wiggles and to a lesser extent because he just subbed in, Ace. I'd expect these players to take more of an initiative if they cared about the lynch, but it seems like they are playing reactionary currently. | ||
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On March 20 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and kita, cute case. I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game. Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you. I write up a case against you and your response is that you've never lied? Where am I calling you a liar? My case is that you show no interest in pushing a lynch. Even with this post, you ask "who are the lynch targets"? A town player decides a lynch target and pushes it on other players. A mafia player looks at the bandwagons and selects his favorite. I don't need another player to defend you. I'd like a response from yourself on the issues I mentioned. | ||
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On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit. Vote: Mr. Wiggles This is exactly what I'm referring to. Just minutes earlier you posted about how you wanted to know who where the lynch candidates in order to determine who to look at. Now you're voting Wiggles with a one line explanation. You clearly couldn't have taken the time to read through the filters of the players you just asked about. So why is it that you are voting based on town sentiment, rather than finding a player that you believe is scum and explaining to everyone why you believe this is the case. | ||
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On March 20 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd like to think I've at least attempted to justify my jumping on said bandwagons when I vote. I might have to call you a liar now. Your explanation on the DarthPunk vote was: On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle Your explanation on the GreYMisT vote was larger, but at that point you were preaching to the choir, as you were the 12th person on him. There was nobody to convince at that point. On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit. Vote: Mr. Wiggles And here is your explanation of the wiggles vote, aided by a few other one liners about how he is lazy. On March 20 2013 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote: I could of course go into more detail if you wish, but then you'd still just call that voting based on town sentiment. Of course I would like you to go into further detail. Calling yourself town doesn't convince other players that you are town. Posting a case and pushing a lynch is what does that. I spent 2 hours reading the thread and another hour on my case against you. You look like you've sent 3 minutes deciding who to jump on. | ||
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On March 20 2013 10:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Kita, what do you think of WoS' flip on his reads? He goes from being super-sure that Zarepath is scum and saying I'm his strongest town read, even baiting Zare into saying I'm scum to call him scum again, to wanting to lynch him as the day started, to agreeing with him, when all he did was reiterate the same stuff he said about me last night. So his read on him goes from scum -> town, and the last thing he's saying about him, is that something he did looks scummy. As for me, he's saying I'm town, and then that I'm scum, when all that happened is I made two posts at night, where I said I wasn't going to post reads, and was inactive for a while. His reads did a complete 180s, and the flips happened in line with what's popular at the time. Since I made it pretty clear what I thought about his alignment, I'd be much more interested listening to what you had to say, rather than justifying it for you. Do you have a mafia read on Wave? | ||
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On March 20 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol. I have had to defend myself against accusations like this every single game I've been in. Guess what the outcome has been EVERY SINGLE GAME. How is your alignment in past games relevant at all? | ||
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On March 20 2013 10:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I've got another visitor to my PM box. "The Mirror" has masoned me now. No indication as to what player it is, and the QT is empty aside from me trying to get acknowledgement from whomever it is. I'm so sick and tired of being a pivotal piece in these games while simultaneously being ignored by half the players. X( Seems to me like that seems more like a mafia mason. A role where a player can influence another player without revealing their identities. | ||
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I have no clue what VE is doing. The part that doesn't match up with the thought process of a town player is that if VE was truly trying to out the mirror's identity to the thread, he wouldn't immediately break off contact. What's the point of "fake" joining to learn the mirrors identity, if you stop talking to him the moment you try to gain his trust. I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment. | ||
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On March 21 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Kita, fuck re-evaluating, I viewed you as town after your case last night. What are your thoughts on being wrong? lol would you like an apology? It's one of those things that solves itself. If I was wrong, then it will be evident if you end up dead tomorrow. If you're still alive then you're probably a mafia rolecop and I'll push for your lynch once again. I find it quite unlikely that the mafia team would be willing to leave you alive with a second check in hopes that you would be mislynched. There would be too high a risk for a red check and a 1:1 trade. As for today's lynch, Wiggles needs to get in here and tell us who he is voting for. He obviously shouldn't still be voting you, based on the reasons I just mentioned. I want to hear who he wants to lynch. I'd be willing to vote for him if we have the votes. Any response to my question VE? | ||
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On March 21 2013 11:08 Mocsta wrote: WoS.. im still catching up on the thread, so am unfamiliar with why wiggles could be scum.. can you please provide some links to posts, i will prioritise reading them now. (im not even sure who has built cases on him, other than I think you?) His filter is quite small. It shouldn't take much time to read through the entire thing. I'm swapping my vote to him since he doesn't seem to care at all about what happens tonight. | ||
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On March 21 2013 22:37 WaveofShadow wrote: I kept my vote on GK but if you read my rationale it was the TPS case that put me over the age on saying Ace was probably a good lynch. WARNING: CONSPIRACY THEORY + Show Spoiler + I worry that TPS is 3rd party and not confirmed town. There is no way scum would have known to frame him/change his alignment but 3rd party would be consistent with his staying out of the spotlight for 2 days and coming back just in time to post an absolutely massive case on Ace just like Wiggles did, AND would probably have some sort of anti-check power. I like his case much more than Wiggles,' and it made an Ace lynch much clearer so this is NOT something I am sure of by any means, but keep an eye on him after I die, k guys? How in the world could TPS be 3rd party?! You yourself said that you received his alignment was town from your alleged dt check. Do you or do you not receive alignment with your check? | ||
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On March 22 2013 03:25 WaveofShadow wrote: I have my target for tonight chosen already though I'm unsure how to go about letting you guys know who it is in case I die or don't? I'll have to think about it. No, that's something you keep yourself. Telling us only opens up the target to a potential mafia framer. It doesn't matter who you check if you die because you'd be dead. | ||
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Wiggles should be priority number one tomorrow. When so many people believe he is scum, yet he is allowed to live, something is certainly wrong. Last cycle, people were hedging their bets by committing to a scum read so they can look good when he flips, but refusing to actually kill him off. Something of note is that he never actually mentions Ace the entire cycle until he gets to the time of his case. Rather than post the case earlier in the day, he waits until the last few hours of the cycle at a point where Ace has no way to respond. On March 21 2013 13:15 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I said it before... Wiggles case reads nice and all but if ace is scum.. hopless1der is scum. I want to see why hopeless1der is scum.. cos id ont recall anyone having him as a scum read. Why do I have to do that? Regardless of how hopeless1der played, I read Ace as scum based on his own play since he replaced in the game. If I go back and look at Hopeless1der, I'm just going to end up with an analysis riddled with confirmation bias anyways because I already think Ace is scum. I don't see how it's useful to my case against Ace.[/QUOTE] This should set off plenty of flags for people. Hopeless made up 50% of the posts made by the duo, but he is absolutely ignored in the analysis. In his response, he downplays the importance of his filter and states that it would only be ruined by confirmation bias. It makes no sense to take a look at half of the picture and then decide you've already made up your mind so you're not interested in the second half. My other two strongest scum reads right now are goodkarma and TranceStorm. While Wiggles needs to be lynched, we should still pressure these two individuals so we have something to go by going into day four. I'll write up a case for them this weekend. Mafia + March Madness = No free time for Kita Go Orange ^_^ | ||
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Just spent an 45 minutes going through his filter. BH so spammy -_- I think TestSubject, VE, greipt, and TPS all come off looking townie based on the interactions he had with them in the thread, although I don't think these guys would be in the discussion as mafia anytime soon anyways. He references Wiggles several times how he is suspicious of him and will potentially write a case against him, but it never happens. Rather than pushing wiggles as mafia last night cycle, he attacks the players that sided with Wiggle's Ace case, VE in particular. Something to note is that even though Wiggles was one of his main reads, he never actually voted for him...bouncing between TestSubject and VE. ##Vote Mr. Wiggles I'm planning on working on the Personality Mafia writeup tonight, which I imagine will take me a while. If it takes less than a couple of hours, I'll start looking into the remaining mafia suspects, otherwise I'll get to that tomorrow. | ||
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In response to Wiggles, you act as if I just decided to switch over to GreYMisT without mentioning him at all. I expressed a scum read on him several times, but of course you choose to ignore this. I was the first one to attack him for his "trap" when he returned to the thread and you referenced my questioning of this trap several times yourself in your own decision to vote GreYMisT so surely you should remember this. Rather than respond to any of the reasoning I've brought up against you, you decide to quote a few one-liners at a point where I had worked a 12 hour day and had no free time. Now, rather than voting your strongest scumread, you've decided to push the only alternative for your own survival. The reads you provide are non-specific, something I'd expect from a mafia player who is about to flip, but doesn't want his reads to be used against him. Not much more to say here. For tomorrow, someone I think we should be looking at is glurio. To start the game, he posts suspicion against coag, stating that coag is useless, without actually calling coag scummy. On March 18 2013 03:16 glurio wrote: I don't think he's scum. I'd much rather lynch you, you're absolutely useless so far. How about spending the time scumhunting? On March 18 2013 03:46 glurio wrote: On a different note: i really want to lynch coag. Rather than actually voting for coag, he votes for DP, a player he never actually mentions in the thread. It's not like DP was more of a lynch-able candidate as there were only 2 votes on him. During the first cycle, he never actually mentions GreYMisT, which is significant considering he was the main lynch candidate for the day. He soft defends BH, without actually providing a reason why he doesn't have a scum read on him. With the day two vote, he votes for Mocsta as the lone vote. At no point in the cycle does he try to convince others to vote Mocsta, only that he was going with his "gut". After the BH flip, he explains how BH's interaction with Wiggles is scum-to-scum conversation, yet decides to vote cosmicomics. On March 23 2013 02:17 glurio wrote: Well i feel like no one bothers to read my posts this whole game, so i was a bit pissed. I'm certainly open for discussion. Glurio complains that no one listens to him, but on day one and two there was actually nothing to listen to. How are we supposed to be convinced by his posts if his only explanation is his gut? Overall, Glurio feels like an observer this game, looking to stay under the radar and lacks the town motivation to push a lynch. It seems that he cares more about survival and doing his own thing, voting for players that have no chance of being lynched. He would be a good lynch candidate tomorrow. | ||
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