The Game [N] - Page 14

On March 21 2013 13:47 Mocsta wrote:
Even if wiggles case on Ace reads well...

quite a few had a scum read on him
how can you proceed to vote for your scum reads case; and not even scrutinise either the case itself, or wiggles agenda?

Best case scenario:
We lynch scum Ace.. does Wiggles become confirmed town?

Worst case scenario:
We lynch mislynch Ace.. what happens to Wiggles? you guys didnt critique the case, he gets to walk away scot-free.

On March 21 2013 23:28 layabout wrote:
What is wrong with you people?

On March 21 2013 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote:

BH did didn't he?

On March 21 2013 23:37 layabout wrote:
Mocsta you have 12 pages of filter from before you read the thread FFS stop playing like this!!!

On March 21 2013 23:54 layabout wrote:

In bed asleep because i live in England and it was 2am-7am and you all thought it was a great time to dick on everything that happened when ppl were here.

There is a reason days are 48 hours long.

Also you were spamming when you hadn't even read the fucking thread. How in god's name are you playing when you have not read the fucking thread? And how can what you are saying be of value?

On March 22 2013 08:32 Kenpachi wrote:
also Mocsta called me a troll. Tell me you're not joking cause you are despicable if you're saying SHEEP ME as town.

On March 22 2013 05:59 cosmicomics wrote:

goodkarma acknowledges that Mr. Wiggles is very scummy, but "feels" like his case is still worth consideration. He then puts his vote on Ace while acknowledging the lack of time. Let me repeat that. He acknowledges that his super scummy read Mr. Wiggles made a case, that the case "feels" ok even though he didn't have time to read it, an proceeds to side with his super scum read Mr. Wiggles. He moves his vote before he looks further into this. And he doesn't look into it at all! This means that goodkarma, without properly reading his scum read Mr. Wiggles' case decided it was better to err on his side and vote Ace. Before reading.

How does he respond to Ace's flip?

He blames town for not voting in a way where he can analyze the vote results. Where does he get off doing this? Even when he talks about the Ace mislynch, notice where the blame lies. He blames Ace for not playing the way he should have. He doesn't admit any fault of his own, he doesn't give an explanation why did a hard hard 180 on someone he called super scummy, and he doesn't even bother trying to draw conclusions about Mr. Wiggles' alignment!

He is overly concerned with how he himself is perceived rather than showing any indication of trying to figure out the game. He blames everyone else but makes sure to explain why he deserves none of the blame. He lectures town on how they should behave rather than providing any meaningful contribution / insights, even into the person who swayed him to lynch Ace. Who flipped town.

goodkarma is scum

On March 22 2013 01:06 zarepath wrote:
Okay, so for the next bit it's going to look like I"m slinging crap at everybody unnecessarily, but I pulled out all the suspicious posts I wanted to talk about as I was catching up, so it's not all aligned into big cases yet, but I don't want these things looked over or forgotten.



I noticed that right at the time when everyone is asking for consolidation, Mocsta busted out a completely different wagon.

Also notice that Mocsta has been getting a LOT of mileage out of criticizing people for jumping onto the Ace case. He was pretty critical of those on the Ace case, but not really pushing his own case that much. It's not that he had a town read on ACe; he just wanted to criticize those voting for him for some reaosn. And right after the flip, he re-quotes himself saying that.

On March 30 2013 17:22 ThePeashooter wrote:
Even if you are scum, if you are winning purely because you spammed the thread that's not a real win. That would be equivalent to me trying to get you modkilled because I think you are scum. Winning the game through illegitimate methods defeats the point in playing the game.

And I don't believe you will try. I told you how to not triple post, how to not keep posting on your BlazingHand account and you ignored me multiple times and proceeded to triple post.

On March 22 2013 10:25 ThePeashooter wrote:
Do we get the alignment/role of the mod kill? Truthfully I'm a bit happy. Between Wade, VE, and Mocsta they comprised nearly a third of all the posts and I just don't have the patience to to an analysis on someone with a 300 post filter. It took me around 1.5 hours to throw together that case on Ace and write it up when I only had to read 2 pages of content. I can't bring myself to spend a whole day on these people.

If someone wants to kill Wade tonight I'd be the happiest person. I'm a bit tired from work and have to get up early so I probably won't be around much until tomorrow night which is about 20 hours from now. I feel bad for my inactivity and inability to get more reads so tomorrow I will bring forth at least one scum case during the day for a lynch and another for a vigilante/the next day. We are in bad shape right now, but we need to pull together, consolidate posts and do some fucking analysis and we can right our little townie ship and pull through.

On March 30 2013 18:00 Ace wrote:
I was asleep. But seriously I didn't even have a ton of time and I thought I made well reasoned posts, trying to keep everyone focused on 1 thing at a time. Somehow I got blamed for "telling everyone to stop scumhunting" and got lynched.

Sigh v_v

On March 30 2013 18:11 RyuSuzaku wrote:


yeah speaking of, I read your post about meta and I disagree to an extent.

Having talked to Foolishness (and having used his ideas) meta is IMO, a lot of the time, really really important. There are a lot of players who play wildly differently based on alignment.

With that said, I can agree with your general sentiment, not because meta is bad, but because it is used badly. I know it's been discussed quite a bit before, but I think the biggest failing is that people associate any change in behavior with a change in alignment. Games are not one to one, and context needs to be considered. Most important obviously though is the motivation for an action, and I think that's a problem with town analysis in general, not just meta analysis.

I think the biggest problem town had this game was focusing on the motivation behind the actions of players, rather than simply looking at what they were doing. I know it's stressed in Ver's guide but I still don't think people focus on it enough. It's hard, but I don't think the conscious effort is always there.

From a scum perspective meta and motivation are important too; it's how we pegged Vivax as a blue. Both kita and myself pegged Vivax as blue day 1 for separate reasons (read the QT for more) and it was primarily based on the motivation behind different posts he made. kita pegged him on a meta-analysis of his games, and I pegged him based on a single sentence he said. Since both of us agreed on it we were pretty confident he was blue, so he became a priority kill on n2 (though on n1 we chose to ignore him)