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TPS case reads better to me than Wiggles.
Its more focused on some specifics. The points he raises are the same concerns I had with Aces play yesterday as well.
I think he does the same thing as wiggles though, treats everything as worst-case. I will agree though, the specific points he highlighted are much easier to visualise originating from scum.
Thing is. a lot of his case is based on association with a town VE... i really dunno where i stand with VE.. the whole thing is a clusterfuck. I dont feel confident calling VE anything right now. Which puts the case as a whole in a funny spot for me..
if someone can show me why VE is definitely town.. i will swap to an Ace vote.
to me.. VE play has been off all game
If he was town.. im sure scum would love him out
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On March 21 2013 15:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
There was 1KP N1 and I claimed a hit? What kind of evidence are you looking for?
Man.. i have played in a couple town games with you recently (and scum  )
my first game with u was normal mini mafia 4.. it hink you were NK'd night 1.
u were a bit crazy that game. but i could tell u was town.
the games u have been town.. i can tell u are town.. u have a wildness about u.. but its founded on curiosity
im not getting any of that this game... but im not getting any of what i see in a scum ve either.. everytime u do something i like.. u follow up with something i dont like... and the whole mirror logs things is such a cluterfuck.
you're the biggest question mark in the game for me.. you really are VE.
im relaly hoping you're town and having a bad game.. either that or u work best when u have someone to bounce ideas off.. (and no1 was present for that this game)
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On March 21 2013 15:37 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 15:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
There was 1KP N1 and I claimed a hit? What kind of evidence are you looking for? This. The biggest facts about VE all imply town 1. claimed vet and took hit and only 1 shot 2. outed WF when it would have made much more sense to shoot him if VE were scum 3. outed Mirror when it would make much more sense to keep quiet as scum
I *think* I disagree.. im so confused
Yes, these *ACTIONS* imply town.
but we need to consider the motivation behind these actions.
Why claim vet? How does that help?
Outing WF is town points; that mason log was just weird
The mirror.. i agree it would make more sense to keep quiet as scum.. but the way he handled it the whole thing is just fuckn bizairre as.... like he doesnt say anything specific about the mirror till layabout throws a case on WF that mentions the mirror
The mason logs didnt have time stamps
like just a lot of bizairre shit.
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On March 21 2013 15:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2013 15:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
There was 1KP N1 and I claimed a hit? What kind of evidence are you looking for? Man.. i have played in a couple town games with you recently (and scum ) my first game with u was normal mini mafia 4.. it hink you were NK'd night 1. u were a bit crazy that game. but i could tell u was town. the games u have been town.. i can tell u are town.. u have a wildness about u.. but its founded on curiosity im not getting any of that this game... but im not getting any of what i see in a scum ve either.. everytime u do something i like.. u follow up with something i dont like... and the whole mirror logs things is such a cluterfuck. you're the biggest question mark in the game for me.. you really are VE. im relaly hoping you're town and having a bad game.. either that or u work best when u have someone to bounce ideas off.. (and no1 was present for that this game) I'm having a bad game. That's a fact. Regardless of what you think of my alignment, you can see this to be the case (I'm about to be lynched D2, this helps no one on my team regardless which team it is). But all the FACTS point to me being town.
OK.. i dunno why.. but i feel better hearing that. i think it takes guts to admit what u said.
KK.. soz DP..with a town VE, i think the ACE case looks a lot stronger.
I will throw down my support on a former TL Finest.
##Unvote
##Vote: Ace
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VE... if you're scum.. im gonna be so pissed at myself after this game.. seriously
My gut is telling me. u love scum play, and wouldnt try and be this bad intentionally
YOLO right.. lol
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BTW.. i knwo this is association.. but if ace goes down.
i would look very carefully into coag
im reading hopeless filter now, to double check on ace.. and hes one of the proponents of defending coag to TPS using meta
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On March 21 2013 15:56 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 15:52 sciberbia wrote:
Well it looks like Ace is officially going to be the lynch.
I think it would be most fitting if he flips Mirror lol. Funny I had that thought too.
You would prefer 3rdparty to flip over scum?
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Umm...
yeah.. and how does that NOT answer my question?
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On March 21 2013 15:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
So you're certain that "The Mirror" is 3rd party and not on the scumteam? Care to share how you acquired this knowledge Mocsta?
VE
Fuck you, and your bullshit.
The thread sentiment is that the mirror is the 3rd party.
I took a leap of faith on u, and dont need this crap.
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IM fuckn pissed right now
Wiggles needs to go.... for all the reasons when i smashed his case
in particular the meta addition.
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On March 21 2013 16:02 Coagulation wrote:
wiggles is scum and you fucks let him off the hook and lynched the first person he pointed at
thanks for delurking to add that in honey
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The real question now is.. if Ace case held with a town VE..
what is the implication for VE now....
hhmmmpphh
taking a break too.. peace out.
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On March 21 2013 16:07 geript wrote:
What a complete waste of time.
You were the tie-breaker vote on Ace..
Where was your critical thought on the matter.. your the one wasting our time.
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On March 21 2013 16:21 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 16:09 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2013 16:07 geript wrote:
What a complete waste of time. You were the tie-breaker vote on Ace.. Where was your critical thought on the matter.. your the one wasting our time. I was asked a good question that I didn't have an answer to. I applied Occam's Razor. Funny how your whole thought process on VE is "Gee looks like you're having an off game. Hope you're not scum bro."
What do u actually have an answer to this game Geript?
Im noticing a propensity to come in.. throw pot shots, and fuck off.
Do you contest?
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On March 21 2013 16:27 geript wrote:
Yup. I've given straight up answers as best I've been capable of.
k..
heres my straight up question
read on sciberbia
town, null or scum.
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On March 21 2013 16:50 geript wrote:
town
k.
part II
leaning, probably, confirmed town?
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On March 21 2013 16:56 geript wrote:
I would say 95% sure that he's town.
Interesting development
You easily made 6 or so points on why u thought im scum.
can you please flesh out a couple points to justify your sciberbia read.
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On March 21 2013 17:05 geript wrote:
I can follow his train of thought. He writes clearly and has a point. Where is this line of questioning going? I'm not seeing any point in this.
Im trying to learn about you Geript.
I want to know if we share the same opinion.
Now.. that we have a benchmark
Can i have your read on layabout pls.
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Hmm I think tps case was a typical tunneled townie case.
I haven't re read the critiques I made of both ace cases but I'm pretty sure the major diff with tps and wiggles
Was that tps case focused on micro. This naturally can lead to a tunneled conclusion
Wiggles focussed on the macro. This is why I thought his case was scummy. A macro case has to consider both sides. And his case was completely one sided. The fact that he included the supporting meta indicates he was completely aware this was required for "balance"
I'm still really frustrated with town this game. Barely anyone is critically analysing cases brought forth.. And ppl are allowing lurkers to come in, make one post and completely change town sentiment. No one has stepped up to be town leader.
As I said during the cycle. If wiggles was a scum read... How can u drop that suddenly and sheep his case without doing a proper evaluation.
In fairness a lot might have to do with the lynch deadline. I assume its around 3am for most of u. So most people are asleep making it difficult to organise last minute swaps.
Kk rant over. This might be my last post till the deadline. Not sure if im a target this cycle. But will make a last will regardless.
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