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On March 21 2013 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Mocsta, shut up about glurio, he's useless and yes he's scummy we can lynch him after we figure out the rest of this clusterfuck we call a game.
No...
Look i appreciate you coming here and trying to step up. We need this nearing the vote.
But that action is pretty fuckn scummy. Considering some held a scum read on glurio throughout the thread.. im surprised this action has gone through "unnoticed".
So im not goign to shut up about it.
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My suggestion: if you want to achieve consolidation
I would provide a summary list of points for lynchign VE, and points for lynching Wiggles.
cos right now, everything is interspersed through 10-20 pages off bullshit/spamming
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On March 21 2013 11:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
From last night's defense of me I saw him as town because he was the only one not directly assuming just because everyone else was that my 'flailing around like an idiot,' as he put it, wasn't due to scumslipping.
Advice for all games... many townies fall into the trap of having a strong town read, on someone who sees them as town (when they are under threat)
Please consider: scum *know* your alignment; town *think* they know your alignment.
Its up to you to make the judgement on whether the town read is genuine; or falsified.
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On March 21 2013 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 11:17 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2013 11:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
From last night's defense of me I saw him as town because he was the only one not directly assuming just because everyone else was that my 'flailing around like an idiot,' as he put it, wasn't due to scumslipping. Advice for all games... many townies fall into the trap of having a strong town read, on someone who sees them as town (when they are under threat) Please consider: scum *know* your alignment; town *think* they know your alignment. Its up to you to make the judgement on whether the town read is genuine; or falsified. I don't see it being a smart move on scum's part to defend me when I looked as scummy as I did. If I had flipped blue sure he could've been all like 'SEE I TOLD YOU GUYS,' but then if you're the only person defending me when the rest of the thread, town and scum agrees to vote me, that doesn't look very good for the reasons you described, does it?
I need a re-read cos i cant remember exact sequence of events.
IIRC he supported you as town, when I still thought you were town based on meta (and not going through your filter in detail).
Hence it was basically a sheep +1. Which is easy enough from either alignment.
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On March 21 2013 11:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 11:32 geript wrote:
How is good karma more useless than wiggles? he may not be. But I KNOW goodkarma. and I KNOW goodkarma is never useless as town. this is as close t a sure thing that i can see today.
In fairness, DP said in middle Day1.. one of the few reasons he wanted to keep gk around was cos he knew gk could offer solid contribution as town.
So I see this as pretty valid reasoning.
+ Though BH assumes gk is town int he logs..... there is no evidence of gk trying to discern BH alignment. nor is there eveidence of gk acting as if BH is confirmed town.. all he does is agree with BH
I do prefer this lynch over coag.
I havnt read wiggles to make an opinion.
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Between CC/GK
I will go gk
Those mason logs have really irked me.
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+ if VE is making a case on wiggles. imless inclined to vote wiggles lol
i knwo that sucks..b ut its true ... VE position is too compromised to trust right now.
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On March 21 2013 11:49 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 11:43 Vivax wrote:
Wait what I posted an extensive case against GK much much earlier and "He's useless D2" suddenly convinces some people to look into him?
This makes me really really sad. I'm glad however that people are noticing what's up. I remember reading the case, the problem is that most of the cases you've posted are literally unreadable.
I disagree
I thought his cases have been succinct.
Whether I agree with the reasoning is a different story.
But your choice of word "unreadable" is peculiar.
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##Vote: goodkarma
SHEEP ME
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On March 21 2013 12:03 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 11:54 RyuSuzaku wrote:On March 21 2013 11:45 sciberbia wrote:
VE
I don't think VE is scum.
I think VE might be third party (either now or by tonight).
I don't know if said third party is worth our time disposing of.
Hence I don't like voting for VE. This line of thinking is really stupid. Assuming you are town, you will optimally lynch ANY confirmed or highly probable non-town player immediately. This is not a kingmaker scenario (in which case it would not matter who you lynched anyway). Our goal is to kill all non-town. Do not make assumptions about the setup. Not lynching VE despite thinking he is third party is simply antitown and goes against our wincondition. Our win condition is not to remove all non-town. It is to remove all threats to the town. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:TO CLARIFY
If you are green or blue your win condition is to remove all threats to the town, the same as it always is. You are the one making an assumption by assuming that the mirror is a threat to the town. I see no good evidence of this. For one thing, he does not seem to have KP. This is something that irks me about closed setups though. You can help your alignment to win by knowing what kinds of setups the host would be likely to make. I don't know anything about DrH but I see no in-thread evidence that the mirror is a threat to us.
Dude.. seriously
this is all conjecture and not worthy of discussion
lets work with what we do know.
goodkarma.. sheep me
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LOl wiggles
if you're gonna build a case on ace.. need to show why hopeless1der was scum too pl0x
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##Vote: goodkarma
SHEEP ME
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On March 21 2013 12:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wiggles I fucking hate you. Where the fuck was shit like this for the first few days?
You people wonder why I don't make cases and just sheep, shit like this is why. I can barely throw something coherent together and when I do I get shit on. A guy who doesn't contribute at all and barely shows up does one thing which will probably essentially remove all suspicion of him and any chance of him getting lynched tonight.
Just tell me who to vote for and I'll do it; I'm dead tomorrow night anyway.
Actually Wiggles post on ace reads great..
and ironically his "meta case on ace" replacing into a game as town.. is pretty much how i have entered the game 
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Having said that.. the mafia mason connection mystifies me.
Why? because.. i agree with him, but with much less confidence.
In personality2, the town thread was so confused about events.. i decided to tell the truth on what occured (i.e. death framer) and ppl just laughed at me, even though i spoke with confidence about the event.
This reminds me of that situation.. i *think* there is a mafia mason involved for the mirror
Wiggles talks as if there *IS* a mafia mason involved
Thoughs.. am i over reading this?
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DP...
i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?
His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.
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On March 21 2013 12:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Three of you just switched to Good Karma in the last twenty minutes. He only has four votes. Why can't we kill Ace again?
U have to prove Hopeless1der is also scum
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On March 21 2013 12:26 goodkarma wrote:So I come back to see DP proposing a lynch, with the only justification being this: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 11:19 DarthPunk wrote:
OK Goodkarma is being useless this game. I know goodkarma and he is NEVER useless as town.
##Vote: Goodkarma I believe you're over-romanticizing that game. I solved the game all in one go, with one post identifying the remaining two scum on day four... As for being "useless," I wouldn't say I've been useless this game. If you were to look through my filter you should have figured that out... Have I had that ground-breaking case post this game that makes everyone's jaws drop? Not yet, but that doesn't make me scum. If you're going to make a case against me, at least put some effort into it to show exactly how I'm scum rather than some one-liner. I'm not liking how we're splitting up our votes yet again RIGHT BEFORE the lynch deadline. Like how the hell are we supposed to catch scum when we divide up everything so nicely for scum to manipulate the vote?
Well if u want to know a damn good reason
Frankly. i agreed with GreyMist breakdown of why you made a case on him.
You found an easy target that was lurking; and never responded back to Sandroba, thus there was a high likelihood he wouldnt play back with you.
How is this part of the pro-town atmosphere you were spewing when you tried to shit over teh SAST.
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On March 21 2013 12:26 goodkarma wrote:
I'm not liking how we're splitting up our votes yet again RIGHT BEFORE the lynch deadline. Like how the hell are we supposed to catch scum when we divide up everything so nicely for scum to manipulate the vote?
WTF is this shit dude
thats one of the best ways to catch scum
force them to make quick decisions especially if we voting for one of them...
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On March 21 2013 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
DP...
i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?
His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.
imagine having played with someone who is never useless as town and having played scum with that person knows their posting suffers as scum. I wanted to keep GK alive because i knew I could read him. he is never this useless as town. never. His posting doesn't seem like real scumhunting which is similar to his posting as scum when he was on my team in liquid city. additionally, Grey mist was sold on GK being scum and he is a confirmed town. I want to lynch goodkarma today.
U misread me.. im not saying i disagree with gk.. i want him gone.
i just wanted to know your opinion on testsubject, and if you felt stronger about him?
To me, gk is based more on meta foundations (where the cases make sense to me.. but im not actually familiar with the guy, so am not as confident)
Testsubject is based on actual play this game, and his decision choices to me.. are scummy motivated, so i just feel more confidence.. thats all.
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To give you context, i *JSUT* finished Day1 15min ago .. so am basically up to date with the thread, cos i been keeping up since i replaced in night 1.
TestSubject did nothing notable Day1, other than banter with BH.. which frankly to me is not alignment indicative (as much as ppl are giving credit to newbies for doing it).
His vote on GM, comes at a time where he is starting to look suspcious due to the martrying.. whats interesting is that
the 2 last ppl that voted after the martrying = Wos & TestSubject, but how they went about the voting is completely different.
TestSubject is very cold and distanced. & the vote was an easy +1.. its just very scummy to me
The big problem was this though:
On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote:
Alright, so I finally got caught up. Here's what I've got to say.
GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him.
##Vote: GreYMisT
I'm not sure why DP was getting so much heat earlier, I was happy with his explanation and liked his case against VE. VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true.
I've been putting some thought into BH too and he's definitely someone I'm leaning more and more scum on. He seems to be of the mentality that he's made up his mind on who is scum (apparently me included, for daring to disagree with the mighty BH) and he'll come up with reasons for it later. It made sense last game when he was a cop, but even if he is one this game he can't have checked yet. It adds up to scummy play in my eyes.
Geript and zare have not done themselves any favors either. They still look bad and worse.
His sole justification is.. here are examples of ppl who martyred when scum... because greymist martyred
The syllogism is... all maryrs are scum => greymist is scum
THATS BULLSHIT!!... and scummy reasoning.
Its clear town marytr too..look at Geript.. fuck.. even testsubject was in that game. Conveniently he ignores this.
He has misconstrued information to support his "distanced" vote. Thats scum guys.. THAT IS SCUM.
In fact.. i cant walk away from this.
##Unvote
##VOTE: TESTSUBJECT
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On March 21 2013 12:45 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:33 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2013 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
DP...
i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?
His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.
imagine having played with someone who is never useless as town and having played scum with that person knows their posting suffers as scum. I wanted to keep GK alive because i knew I could read him. he is never this useless as town. never. His posting doesn't seem like real scumhunting which is similar to his posting as scum when he was on my team in liquid city. additionally, Grey mist was sold on GK being scum and he is a confirmed town. I want to lynch goodkarma today. U misread me.. im not saying i disagree with gk.. i want him gone. i just wanted to know your opinion on testsubject, and if you felt stronger about him? To me, gk is based more on meta foundations (where the cases make sense to me.. but im not actually familiar with the guy, so am not as confident) Testsubject is based on actual play this game, and his decision choices to me.. are scummy motivated, so i just feel more confidence.. thats all. Show me where my "decision choices are scummy motivated". Hell, tell me why the timing of my vote was suspicious while you're at it. You're just throwing accusations around without any backing because my name has come up lately. I honestly don't know what you're talking about with either, so how am I supposed to show you you're wrong? Honey
Already did it.
P.S
NICE DE-LURK
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Guys seriously..
i used the word syllogism to show why the fucker is scum
thats worthy of sheeping my vote
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