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Do we need to divulge who both of the players are in public, or PM you, or what? ^^
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Edit: marv/Keirathi Do we need to divulge who both of the players are in public, or PM you, or what? ^^ | ||
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##Vote: Moology Take this as a warning AND an intent to lynch. | ||
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iamp's question at the start of the game was bad. TLCastingGolem's summarising is far worse. ##Vote: TLCastingGolems | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:18 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 22:12 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 13 2013 22:06 FiveTouch wrote: Some really annoying arguments that don't look very important. Usually townies argue like this. iamp's question at the start of the game was bad. TLCastingGolem's summarising is far worse. ##Vote: TLCastingGolems it was not bad and you know it we dont lynch bullshit we lynch scum. But i agree with you on the casters they seem to not want to partake on the discussion at all and add nothing but long posts that say noting in order to look like they are contributing, It was bad, you're attacking a policy vote which was my way of telling people to shape up. TLCastingGolems decided not to heed this warning, so they can die. This isn't a fucking roleplaying game. If you're roleplaying then you're using it as an excuse to not find mafia, so you should be lynched forthwith. Apparently I've forgotten how to smurf. Sry guise | ||
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I want to see if he's willing to continue playing against his win-con when the lynch is hanging over him. If he is, then we should carry through and kill him. Let's go. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:22 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 22:20 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 13 2013 22:16 DrParnassus wrote: On March 13 2013 20:11 WittyHydraName wrote: Oats/Thrawn, whoever threw down the vote on Golems My other head asked you a question at the top of this page: On March 13 2013 16:29 Snarfs wrote: Also DrParnassus, why are CastingGolems scum? Can you not think of any town reason for doing what they are doing? - S-head. Otherwise, VE, you seem to be making sense. Is this the game we we're dreaming about in the Hero mafia scum QT where we both roll town? In that post you were asking if one hydra head was asking for an opinion from the other head, he wasnt. He was asking for your opinion on his case on mocsta (OE is you.) Nope I dont think he is scum. NEXT QUESTION PLEASE. Also lynch Iamp/Hapa hydra please, utterly useless and trying to sheep off marv. how does me sheeping off of marv make me mafia dear? I think it makes marv mafia. We should lynch marv, nothing but good can come from it. Like that destroyed game LVIII? Ok dear. | ||
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##Vote: DirkHardpec | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:26 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 22:24 FiveTouch wrote: On March 13 2013 22:22 Dirk Hardpec wrote: On March 13 2013 22:20 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 13 2013 22:16 DrParnassus wrote: On March 13 2013 20:11 WittyHydraName wrote: Oats/Thrawn, whoever threw down the vote on Golems My other head asked you a question at the top of this page: On March 13 2013 16:29 Snarfs wrote: Also DrParnassus, why are CastingGolems scum? Can you not think of any town reason for doing what they are doing? - S-head. Otherwise, VE, you seem to be making sense. Is this the game we we're dreaming about in the Hero mafia scum QT where we both roll town? In that post you were asking if one hydra head was asking for an opinion from the other head, he wasnt. He was asking for your opinion on his case on mocsta (OE is you.) Nope I dont think he is scum. NEXT QUESTION PLEASE. Also lynch Iamp/Hapa hydra please, utterly useless and trying to sheep off marv. how does me sheeping off of marv make me mafia dear? I think it makes marv mafia. We should lynch marv, nothing but good can come from it. Like that destroyed game LVIII? Ok dear. That game was cool until some weakling ragequit under tiny bit of pressure. Presumably that tunnel was just your revenge for the fact you're 0-6 against me, yes | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:29 TLCastingGolems wrote: You know, Soniv, it seems there a re a bunch of people complaining about our lack of contribution and----whoops, hey now-----apparently an accusation that we're playing against our win-con! What proof do they have of that? Yeah Wave it sounds like easy vote-garnering with no real substance no me. I think if people really want to hunt scum they definitely have to look into motivations, specifically those of DrParnassus and Moology. What is the point of essentially arguing over votes that clearly mean nothing in the first few hours? Oh, and look at that Wave, more D1 early-game vote switching, from FiveTouch this time. Real threatening. your entire filter, bish. | ||
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Let's kill him please. Why don't ppl just play mafia anymore | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:38 Dirk Hardpec wrote: is this instant majority? Cause I'll totally hammer that shit despite calling me mafia for voting for him? ok......... | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:42 TLCastingGolems wrote: Wow, a Marv/Keirathi hydra complaining about trolling and not playing mafia, when apparently Marv loves Grush's play. Never thought I'd see the day, Soniv. And look, more people throwing their votes away because they don't like role-playing! I don't love it, it just amuses me and it's never brought me harm ^^ I'm one of the lucky ones who hasn't had grush lose them a game at lylo :d | ||
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Dirk doesn't want to play the game, let's show him the door. Plus the contradiction I already mentioned. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:57 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 22:49 DrParnassus wrote: Sign your posts so I know who to shout at Dirk Hardpec. ##Vote: TLCastingGolems Your vote clearly came after the pressure that was applied, why not earlier? Why must we prod and poke the answers out of you? This has all been Bugs, I'm not sure Palmar is actually going to post much. If you're actually bugs, then your trolling comes across far worse than Palmar's does. Or are you going to deny the fact you told me some time ago you like to troll as mafia? Tread carefully, bro. | ||
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On March 13 2013 23:01 Moology wrote: Five touch YuOr very active aggressiveness this game. Haven't seen this from u before. Anything I should know? Moc Yes. I have a beautiful penis. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:16 TLCastingGolems wrote: Oh man, Wave, Mocsta calling you out for last game when you tunneled him when he was town! What do you have to say about that? He's correct that I thought he was scum last game, and I was mistake. However, he does forget that this hydra has two heads, and that you, Soniv, knew he was town last game! He should be aware that no matter how much he loads into his filter, he WILL be watched. And now, ladies and gentlemen, we would like to move onto our INSTANT REPLAY. This replay is sponsored by FiveTouch - He has a beautiful penis. Soniv, he votes for us because he hates our "summarizing" (despite the fact that we have included opinions thus far): Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 22:06 FiveTouch wrote: Some really annoying arguments that don't look very important. Usually townies argue like this. iamp's question at the start of the game was bad. TLCastingGolem's summarising is far worse. ##Vote: TLCastingGolems which he then follows up with trying to get everyone else to bandwagon us: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 22:23 FiveTouch wrote: Can we start getting the votes on CastingGolem please. I want to see if he's willing to continue playing against his win-con when the lynch is hanging over him. If he is, then we should carry through and kill him. Let's go. He switches to Dirk Hardpec without explanation: and continues to push us: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 22:30 FiveTouch wrote: On March 13 2013 22:29 TLCastingGolems wrote: You know, Soniv, it seems there a re a bunch of people complaining about our lack of contribution and----whoops, hey now-----apparently an accusation that we're playing against our win-con! What proof do they have of that? Yeah Wave it sounds like easy vote-garnering with no real substance no me. I think if people really want to hunt scum they definitely have to look into motivations, specifically those of DrParnassus and Moology. What is the point of essentially arguing over votes that clearly mean nothing in the first few hours? Oh, and look at that Wave, more D1 early-game vote switching, from FiveTouch this time. Real threatening. your entire filter, bish. Not until after this does he start accusing Dirk, AND THEN DEFENDS US WANTING TO KNOW WHY PEOPLE ARE VOTING US: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 22:56 FiveTouch wrote: why are ppl voting CastingGolems when he's at least willing to do something? Dirk doesn't want to play the game, let's show him the door. Plus the contradiction I already mentioned. What should we make of this? Well, Wave, I would certainly like an explanation. It seems that FiveTouch is operating on a "vote first, ask questions later" policy, which doesn't hold much water in my book. it's really simple. you bothered to make a case therefore you are at least willing to put in some effort. in fact it even says that in my last quote. and it also says why i'm voting for Dirk. | ||
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On March 14 2013 02:02 ObliviousEyes wrote: I'm more interested in what comes out of FiveTouch/WillNeverReadVEsPostsEver(DirkHardpec). Presumably, that's 2 hydras with four players who should know better than they appear to. Know better than we appear to? What does that even mean? Bugs is just throwing names out with no reasoning and not actually doing anything. Lynch him. | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:39 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: However in that post on Fivetouch, there's no mention of suspicion, no mentions of reads, no mention of pretty much anything. It looks like simple criticism and is scummy. Then: On March 14 2013 03:39 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: 3) Regarding "Promato" - one post caught my eye: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 02:05 Promato wrote: On March 14 2013 02:02 ObliviousEyes wrote: On March 13 2013 20:11 WittyHydraName wrote: Oats/Thrawn, whoever threw down the vote on Golems My other head asked you a question at the top of this page: On March 13 2013 16:29 Snarfs wrote: Also DrParnassus, why are CastingGolems scum? Can you not think of any town reason for doing what they are doing? - S-head. Otherwise, VE, you seem to be making sense. Is this the game we we're dreaming about in the Hero mafia scum QT where we both roll town? In that post you were asking if one hydra head was asking for an opinion from the other head, he wasnt. He was asking for your opinion on his case on mocsta (OE is you.) I assumed OE was "OmniEulogy", the other head of Mocsta's hydra? Ugh, I can't keep the names straight - I'd really like it if everyone just referred to everyone else by the name of the slot they're in. Anyway, his case on Moo seems driven by emotion - Mocsta/Oats have kinda a little history of going head to head as townies (Nomination, I thnk they did so in LX at one point?) so I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that's what's going on here. I'm more interested in what comes out of FiveTouch/WillNeverReadVEsPostsEver(DirkHardpec). Presumably, that's 2 hydras with four players who should know better than they appear to. TheCastingGolems are looking a little bit better - they're at least providing opinions now, which is better than before. I'll admit that the casting style is actually kinda endearing too. For now, I'm also going to ##Vote: DirkHardpec because his posts are basically begging for votes. So fuck it, why not oblige? -VE moc/oats goes back to their newbie games. I usually find just letting them yell at each other and ignoring their opinions of each other is safest. Kier and palmar seem to be absent. I think this is just marv and bugs yelling at each other. I need my stupid other head here so i can talk some things over with him. I'm gone until Yam comes back. Expect nothing from me until he shows he face. Yamato coming back shoudl have nothing to do with how frequently Prome decides to post. Prome is never shy about posting as town, and this comment makes very little sense with his town mentality. ~Hapa Really Hapa? You literally called out Golems for doing that in the EXACT SAME POST THAT YOU DO IT. | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:51 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 03:49 FiveTouch wrote: On March 14 2013 03:39 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: However in that post on Fivetouch, there's no mention of suspicion, no mentions of reads, no mention of pretty much anything. It looks like simple criticism and is scummy. Then: On March 14 2013 03:39 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: 3) Regarding "Promato" - one post caught my eye: On March 14 2013 02:05 Promato wrote: On March 14 2013 02:02 ObliviousEyes wrote: On March 13 2013 20:11 WittyHydraName wrote: Oats/Thrawn, whoever threw down the vote on Golems My other head asked you a question at the top of this page: On March 13 2013 16:29 Snarfs wrote: Also DrParnassus, why are CastingGolems scum? Can you not think of any town reason for doing what they are doing? - S-head. Otherwise, VE, you seem to be making sense. Is this the game we we're dreaming about in the Hero mafia scum QT where we both roll town? In that post you were asking if one hydra head was asking for an opinion from the other head, he wasnt. He was asking for your opinion on his case on mocsta (OE is you.) I assumed OE was "OmniEulogy", the other head of Mocsta's hydra? Ugh, I can't keep the names straight - I'd really like it if everyone just referred to everyone else by the name of the slot they're in. Anyway, his case on Moo seems driven by emotion - Mocsta/Oats have kinda a little history of going head to head as townies (Nomination, I thnk they did so in LX at one point?) so I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that's what's going on here. I'm more interested in what comes out of FiveTouch/WillNeverReadVEsPostsEver(DirkHardpec). Presumably, that's 2 hydras with four players who should know better than they appear to. TheCastingGolems are looking a little bit better - they're at least providing opinions now, which is better than before. I'll admit that the casting style is actually kinda endearing too. For now, I'm also going to ##Vote: DirkHardpec because his posts are basically begging for votes. So fuck it, why not oblige? -VE moc/oats goes back to their newbie games. I usually find just letting them yell at each other and ignoring their opinions of each other is safest. Kier and palmar seem to be absent. I think this is just marv and bugs yelling at each other. I need my stupid other head here so i can talk some things over with him. I'm gone until Yam comes back. Expect nothing from me until he shows he face. Yamato coming back shoudl have nothing to do with how frequently Prome decides to post. Prome is never shy about posting as town, and this comment makes very little sense with his town mentality. ~Hapa Really Hapa? You literally called out Golems for doing that in the EXACT SAME POST THAT YOU DO IT. Yes, I called out the golem for his comments on you. Then I called Prome scummy ("makes very little sense with his town mentality") for his quote. What is the problem here? My reading comprehension fails. Carry on. ~Keir | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:56 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 03:55 FiveTouch wrote: On March 14 2013 03:51 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 14 2013 03:49 FiveTouch wrote: On March 14 2013 03:39 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: However in that post on Fivetouch, there's no mention of suspicion, no mentions of reads, no mention of pretty much anything. It looks like simple criticism and is scummy. Then: On March 14 2013 03:39 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: 3) Regarding "Promato" - one post caught my eye: On March 14 2013 02:05 Promato wrote: On March 14 2013 02:02 ObliviousEyes wrote: On March 13 2013 20:11 WittyHydraName wrote: Oats/Thrawn, whoever threw down the vote on Golems My other head asked you a question at the top of this page: On March 13 2013 16:29 Snarfs wrote: Also DrParnassus, why are CastingGolems scum? Can you not think of any town reason for doing what they are doing? - S-head. Otherwise, VE, you seem to be making sense. Is this the game we we're dreaming about in the Hero mafia scum QT where we both roll town? In that post you were asking if one hydra head was asking for an opinion from the other head, he wasnt. He was asking for your opinion on his case on mocsta (OE is you.) I assumed OE was "OmniEulogy", the other head of Mocsta's hydra? Ugh, I can't keep the names straight - I'd really like it if everyone just referred to everyone else by the name of the slot they're in. Anyway, his case on Moo seems driven by emotion - Mocsta/Oats have kinda a little history of going head to head as townies (Nomination, I thnk they did so in LX at one point?) so I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that's what's going on here. I'm more interested in what comes out of FiveTouch/WillNeverReadVEsPostsEver(DirkHardpec). Presumably, that's 2 hydras with four players who should know better than they appear to. TheCastingGolems are looking a little bit better - they're at least providing opinions now, which is better than before. I'll admit that the casting style is actually kinda endearing too. For now, I'm also going to ##Vote: DirkHardpec because his posts are basically begging for votes. So fuck it, why not oblige? -VE moc/oats goes back to their newbie games. I usually find just letting them yell at each other and ignoring their opinions of each other is safest. Kier and palmar seem to be absent. I think this is just marv and bugs yelling at each other. I need my stupid other head here so i can talk some things over with him. I'm gone until Yam comes back. Expect nothing from me until he shows he face. Yamato coming back shoudl have nothing to do with how frequently Prome decides to post. Prome is never shy about posting as town, and this comment makes very little sense with his town mentality. ~Hapa Really Hapa? You literally called out Golems for doing that in the EXACT SAME POST THAT YOU DO IT. Yes, I called out the golem for his comments on you. Then I called Prome scummy ("makes very little sense with his town mentality") for his quote. What is the problem here? My reading comprehension fails. Carry on. ~Keir Poop I was expecting an EPIC BATTLE. Oh well. Though I would like your thoughts on that Prome thing I quoted. Agree... disagree...? Prom said before the game started that he was busy and would be relying on yamato to carry him. My assumption when reading that post was the "me" referred to the Promato account, meaning that Prom wouldn't be around to post for a while and there wouldn't be any posts from Promato until yamato showed up. Not that Prom was specifically avoiding posting until he could talk to yamato. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:09 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 03:59 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 14 2013 03:49 DrParnassus wrote: hapa you have no idea how happy i am that you finally posted. i have like 3/4 scumreads but each of my scumreads somewhat contradicts the others. right now, I think something like a wittyhyrdaname + castinggolem combo makes a lot of sense. if those two are scum, everything else in the thread can be easily explained by townies being emotional and/or egotistical. i've already said why i think the castinggolem is red... i pick wittyhydraname because of how well they've managed to not get involved in any of the shit flinging thus far -tom waits Eh no point in trying to peg the scum-team in the first few hours. We have a ways to go before we can get accurate reads. Both your top reads seem reasonable. Though you said you had 3/4 reads. Who are the other 1/2? iamp, for reasons previsouly mentioned but I don't think I agree with that read anymore. marv, for not taking the game seriously at all dirk, for obvious reasons the problem is that none of these reads are based on strong evidence, and can be mostly explained away by townies acting how townies sometimes act. see lviii. this game reads almost exactly the same as that one so far which leaves me with prom/VE/moc/golems/wittyname VE is town, I don't have too many doubts about that. Mocsta is prob town too. Drunk me did provoke him more than intended, which can explain away a lot of why I thought he was scum. he also gets townie points for participating when nobody else would. Prom is a weak town read, well maybe a weak null read. I think he's being kinda useless, but that's how I always perceive his D1 play. which leaves the golem and the wittyname, both of which I can easily see being scum how about you go screw yourself? I'm playing perfectly seriously. I'm voting for a player who has said previously that he likes to troll as mafia, and all he has done so far is troll. This is absolutely the most compelling evidence of anyone in the thread so far. ~marv | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:16 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 04:12 FiveTouch wrote: On March 14 2013 04:09 DrParnassus wrote: On March 14 2013 03:59 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 14 2013 03:49 DrParnassus wrote: hapa you have no idea how happy i am that you finally posted. i have like 3/4 scumreads but each of my scumreads somewhat contradicts the others. right now, I think something like a wittyhyrdaname + castinggolem combo makes a lot of sense. if those two are scum, everything else in the thread can be easily explained by townies being emotional and/or egotistical. i've already said why i think the castinggolem is red... i pick wittyhydraname because of how well they've managed to not get involved in any of the shit flinging thus far -tom waits Eh no point in trying to peg the scum-team in the first few hours. We have a ways to go before we can get accurate reads. Both your top reads seem reasonable. Though you said you had 3/4 reads. Who are the other 1/2? iamp, for reasons previsouly mentioned but I don't think I agree with that read anymore. marv, for not taking the game seriously at all dirk, for obvious reasons the problem is that none of these reads are based on strong evidence, and can be mostly explained away by townies acting how townies sometimes act. see lviii. this game reads almost exactly the same as that one so far which leaves me with prom/VE/moc/golems/wittyname VE is town, I don't have too many doubts about that. Mocsta is prob town too. Drunk me did provoke him more than intended, which can explain away a lot of why I thought he was scum. he also gets townie points for participating when nobody else would. Prom is a weak town read, well maybe a weak null read. I think he's being kinda useless, but that's how I always perceive his D1 play. which leaves the golem and the wittyname, both of which I can easily see being scum how about you go screw yourself? I'm playing perfectly seriously. I'm voting for a player who has said previously that he likes to troll as mafia, and all he has done so far is troll. This is absolutely the most compelling evidence of anyone in the thread so far. ~marv Bugs trolls as mafia? Pretty sure that ain't true. with your extensive knowledge of bugs mafia and the private conversations you have with him, yes? He disappeared after I put it to him earlier. If he denies it, I'll spend the 2 hours needed to go trawling for wherever I remember him saying it. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:24 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 04:12 FiveTouch wrote: On March 14 2013 04:09 DrParnassus wrote: On March 14 2013 03:59 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 14 2013 03:49 DrParnassus wrote: hapa you have no idea how happy i am that you finally posted. i have like 3/4 scumreads but each of my scumreads somewhat contradicts the others. right now, I think something like a wittyhyrdaname + castinggolem combo makes a lot of sense. if those two are scum, everything else in the thread can be easily explained by townies being emotional and/or egotistical. i've already said why i think the castinggolem is red... i pick wittyhydraname because of how well they've managed to not get involved in any of the shit flinging thus far -tom waits Eh no point in trying to peg the scum-team in the first few hours. We have a ways to go before we can get accurate reads. Both your top reads seem reasonable. Though you said you had 3/4 reads. Who are the other 1/2? iamp, for reasons previsouly mentioned but I don't think I agree with that read anymore. marv, for not taking the game seriously at all dirk, for obvious reasons the problem is that none of these reads are based on strong evidence, and can be mostly explained away by townies acting how townies sometimes act. see lviii. this game reads almost exactly the same as that one so far which leaves me with prom/VE/moc/golems/wittyname VE is town, I don't have too many doubts about that. Mocsta is prob town too. Drunk me did provoke him more than intended, which can explain away a lot of why I thought he was scum. he also gets townie points for participating when nobody else would. Prom is a weak town read, well maybe a weak null read. I think he's being kinda useless, but that's how I always perceive his D1 play. which leaves the golem and the wittyname, both of which I can easily see being scum how about you go screw yourself? I'm playing perfectly seriously. I'm voting for a player who has said previously that he likes to troll as mafia, and all he has done so far is troll. This is absolutely the most compelling evidence of anyone in the thread so far. ~marv i don't disagree with that. however, taking that stance is fucking boring and non-productive, which is what I meant by saying that you're not taking this seriously. we can policy lynch bugs but in the meantime i'd prefer to talk about things with more substance. why are you saying it's a policy lynch? that's blatantly false. there's no policy to lynch bugs when he trolls, i'm lynching bugs because he's told me he likes to troll when he's mafia. simple. lynching mafia is never boring and non-productive. my only task here is to lynch mafia. what would you like to talk to me about? ~marv ~marv | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:35 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 04:33 FiveTouch wrote: This isn't LVIII, this is bugs. There are good reasons bugs is town? Please enlighten me. cos he's an ass? how is that a reason to think he's town? is town bugs known for being an ass? what are you talking about?? | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:55 DrParnassus wrote: + Show Spoiler [previous reasons] + On March 14 2013 03:12 DrParnassus wrote: also, the snarfs/adam combo is going by almost completely unnoticed. so, consider yourselves noticed On March 14 2013 03:49 DrParnassus wrote: hapa you have no idea how happy i am that you finally posted. i have like 3/4 scumreads but each of my scumreads somewhat contradicts the others. right now, I think something like a wittyhyrdaname + castinggolem combo makes a lot of sense. if those two are scum, everything else in the thread can be easily explained by townies being emotional and/or egotistical. i've already said why i think the castinggolem is red... i pick wittyhydraname because of how well they've managed to not get involved in any of the shit flinging thus far -tom waits more reasons: As I've said before this game reminds me of LVIII. IN general scum will avoid the spotlight if possible, and this is even more true in games where people yell and scream at each other. I know this from first hand experience, lol. Wittyname fits that bill. One of the only things in his filter his is focus on my page 1 vote for moology.... that's not something that any respectable scum hunter would choose to focus on. I agree fully with this. Which is why I came into the thread whenever saying the arguments were boring and probably between townies. It's just a classic start to Day 1 in almost any game. | ||
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First off, town marv is aggressive when he needs to be, or really believes that he is right. I can go look up games for specific examples if you want me to, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you're either just making bullshit up, or judging off of a VERY limited sample size. Meta doesn't work like that. Don't fucking use meta if you don't understand how to use it properly. Secondly, show me a game where scum marv was hyper-aggressive. Go on. I'll wait. | ||
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On March 14 2013 11:38 DrParnassus wrote: kier what are you talking about? mocsta is the only one doing something like what you're suggesting. are you trying to defend your other half here? or accuse someone? or what? Defending my other half (myself). But he's not the only person who has said something along of the lines of "I don't like marv so far". He was just the only person that gave any kind of reasoning, even if it was terrible reasoning. | ||
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On March 14 2013 11:43 DrParnassus wrote: Eh well... there's not really very much pressure on marv at all, even though he is being talked about a lot. You just seem a bit too loud about the issue considering the circumstances. But whatever, I have a town read on marv and therefore on you as well so I'm not really interested in the conversation Mocsta has put a lot of effort into making sure people talk about us. And I just got back to the thread to comment on the stuff. | ||
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On March 14 2013 11:46 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 11:28 FiveTouch wrote: So, I'm reading through all these posts soft-accusing (read: discrediting) marv, but I still can't find a real reason that is even discussable. Closest thing I see is marv is "being aggressive, which isn't like town marv". First off, town marv is aggressive when he needs to be, or really believes that he is right. I can go look up games for specific examples if you want me to, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you're either just making bullshit up, or judging off of a VERY limited sample size. Meta doesn't work like that. Don't fucking use meta if you don't understand how to use it properly. Secondly, show me a game where scum marv was hyper-aggressive. Go on. I'll wait. Firstly, please demonstrate how your early vote fostered a positive town environment that didnt let scum hide in the shadows? There were many ways to handle the Role PM comment, and throwing a vote was perhaps the most polarising tool that could be used. Good. I can't speak for marv's specific motivations, but a polarized town is exactly what town should want. It force scum to pick a side, rather than staying off in the shadows. The more polar, the better. On March 14 2013 11:46 Moology wrote: Second, in response to your comments belittling me about meta usage. I did not claim to have a meta-read on Marv - otherwise I would have built a case. Fact: I noticed peculiarities in his play (compared to recent town Marv games) and voiced my concerns - transparently. Whilst others were not as concerned as I, they had also noticed similar peculiarities/changes in mindset. Kei, nice over-reaction post btw. If you had cast a vote, Dare I say. OMGUS. + Show Spoiler + P.S. (Mafia LIX) I was one of the guys that had a very strong read on FiveTouch as town early Day1; enough to mason him and stand up for his leadership when others were still doubting him actively. Whilst not indicative of his town play every game; there are some specific things he does which gives me a positive read on him - and all the games I have read him in since, has had the same type of behaviour. So far, I have not seen any of that behaviour. You can say the sample-size is small.. and I dont care... I wasnt building a meta case on him on as scum. I am commenting I do not find him overtly townie as I have become accustomed to. (moc) Here's a hint: behavioral differences/similarities = meta. As far as "I wasn't building a case on him as mafia", you've spent quite a lot of time talking about him. And made it quite clear you think we are mafia, or at least in your top 2 candidates: QUOTE]On March 14 2013 08:35 Moology wrote: Otherwise for today I am stuck between the trolling of hardpec and aggressiveness of Marv. Marv normally tries to exert himself as town leader, and is actively trying to walk through with people his thought process. (moc)[/QUOTE] On March 14 2013 10:31 Moology wrote: Regardless I only played with a town marv (and its not matching up well so far) But you never outright call us scum. Why is that? But hey, since you're playing ball: give me some specific examples of why you think we are scum. | ||
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On March 14 2013 12:41 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 12:40 Mocsta wrote: On March 14 2013 12:22 FiveTouch wrote: I chose not to call you scum, because I haven't seen anything specific that makes me think you are scum.But you never outright call us scum. Why is that? But hey, since you're playing ball: give me some specific examples of why you think we are scum. My concern is exactly as I detailed. I expect a town Marv to be blindingly obvious (to me); and I am not getting that. Your emphasis on interpreting matters that I have explained simply and explicitly is not improving my opinion on your hydra. Everything I wrote has been clear and to the point: so I am struggling to ascertain where your over-reactions originate from. ============== Regardless let us continue discourse please: so what if I want to talk about you. Why is that of so much concern to you; that you need to interject and apply immediate counter-pressure? (moc) Because your accusations have been completely unfounded. You've just been saying stuff about marv's meta without backing any of it up. Basically you've been working super hard to discredit us by soft-accusing us repeatedly and blowing hot air up everyone's ass, but haven't done jack shit about it. | ||
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On March 14 2013 13:05 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 12:44 FiveTouch wrote: On March 14 2013 12:41 Moology wrote: On March 14 2013 12:40 Mocsta wrote: On March 14 2013 12:22 FiveTouch wrote: I chose not to call you scum, because I haven't seen anything specific that makes me think you are scum.But you never outright call us scum. Why is that? But hey, since you're playing ball: give me some specific examples of why you think we are scum. My concern is exactly as I detailed. I expect a town Marv to be blindingly obvious (to me); and I am not getting that. Your emphasis on interpreting matters that I have explained simply and explicitly is not improving my opinion on your hydra. Everything I wrote has been clear and to the point: so I am struggling to ascertain where your over-reactions originate from. ============== Regardless let us continue discourse please: so what if I want to talk about you. Why is that of so much concern to you; that you need to interject and apply immediate counter-pressure? (moc) Because your accusations have been completely unfounded. You've just been saying stuff about marv's meta without backing any of it up. Basically you've been working super hard to discredit us by soft-accusing us repeatedly and blowing hot air up everyone's ass, but haven't done jack shit about it. Again: more over-reactions. You are trying to intimidate/counter-pressure me from investigating any further. i.e. cut the hydra head off. I am surprised you think what I am doing is working hard to discredit your team. If I thought you were scum; trust me, you would know. I would be up yo' ass with my "ugly penis" Fact is: I have never seen Marv handle the early game the way he has handled it (so far). I have every entitlement to ask if people find that strange. Especially those that have played with a scum Marv before. Guess what Keirathi: others that commented have also mentioned noticing the behavioural deviation as well. They also admit they dont think its scummy. so i dont know what your problem is. That you are actively trying to shut me down, is making me question whether I am onto something now. I think you're misunderstanding my intent here. If you have a good reason for continually calling-us-scum-without-actually-calling-us-scum, then fine. I'm totes down to discuss anything with someone who has a reasonable argument. You've just been slinging shit without backing it up. THAT is my problem with how you've gone about this. | ||
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On March 14 2013 13:31 Promato wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 12:44 FiveTouch wrote: On March 14 2013 12:41 Moology wrote: On March 14 2013 12:40 Mocsta wrote: On March 14 2013 12:22 FiveTouch wrote: I chose not to call you scum, because I haven't seen anything specific that makes me think you are scum.But you never outright call us scum. Why is that? But hey, since you're playing ball: give me some specific examples of why you think we are scum. My concern is exactly as I detailed. I expect a town Marv to be blindingly obvious (to me); and I am not getting that. Your emphasis on interpreting matters that I have explained simply and explicitly is not improving my opinion on your hydra. Everything I wrote has been clear and to the point: so I am struggling to ascertain where your over-reactions originate from. ============== Regardless let us continue discourse please: so what if I want to talk about you. Why is that of so much concern to you; that you need to interject and apply immediate counter-pressure? (moc) Because your accusations have been completely unfounded. You've just been saying stuff about marv's meta without backing any of it up. Basically you've been working super hard to discredit us by soft-accusing us repeatedly and blowing hot air up everyone's ass, but haven't done jack shit about it. [b]Keir, I love you and all but shut up.{/b] I don't care that you find your other head town. Can you do me a favour and look for scum. Your hard defense with no scum hunting is way scummier than marv's early game (not calling you scum, just a reminder to scum hunt) I said earlier I had no problem with the golems and one of you mentioned that I was okay with trolling or something. That wasn't it at all, I just feel like in their role play I can genuinely follow their thoughts so I don't mind it. And as VE said its kinda cute. No. Fuck that. I'll shut up when he's provided a satisfactory reason for me being scum, since he's spent so much time talking about it. He's "contributing" without actually doing anything. That's not gonna fly, and I'll keep pressuring him until he gives me a reason not to. Of course I find my "other half" town because he shares my alignment. What a stupid statement. None of us in this game are separate entities. Yea, every individual player is accountable not only for his actions, but those of his partner too. I am marv, marv is me. Just like you == yamato. | ||
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On March 14 2013 13:32 Moology wrote: Now, you have focused much of your attention on me today: Are you in agreement with Marv on scumspect = Hardpec? (moc) Of course. On March 14 2013 03:16 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 02:02 ObliviousEyes wrote: I'm more interested in what comes out of FiveTouch/WillNeverReadVEsPostsEver(DirkHardpec). Presumably, that's 2 hydras with four players who should know better than they appear to. Know better than we appear to? What does that even mean? Bugs is just throwing names out with no reasoning and not actually doing anything. Lynch him. On March 14 2013 03:22 FiveTouch wrote: Yea oops. I meant to sign, I just forgot. That post was me. ~Keir | ||
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On March 14 2013 13:43 Promato wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 13:40 FiveTouch wrote: On March 14 2013 13:31 Promato wrote: On March 14 2013 12:44 FiveTouch wrote: On March 14 2013 12:41 Moology wrote: On March 14 2013 12:40 Mocsta wrote: On March 14 2013 12:22 FiveTouch wrote: I chose not to call you scum, because I haven't seen anything specific that makes me think you are scum.But you never outright call us scum. Why is that? But hey, since you're playing ball: give me some specific examples of why you think we are scum. My concern is exactly as I detailed. I expect a town Marv to be blindingly obvious (to me); and I am not getting that. Your emphasis on interpreting matters that I have explained simply and explicitly is not improving my opinion on your hydra. Everything I wrote has been clear and to the point: so I am struggling to ascertain where your over-reactions originate from. ============== Regardless let us continue discourse please: so what if I want to talk about you. Why is that of so much concern to you; that you need to interject and apply immediate counter-pressure? (moc) Because your accusations have been completely unfounded. You've just been saying stuff about marv's meta without backing any of it up. Basically you've been working super hard to discredit us by soft-accusing us repeatedly and blowing hot air up everyone's ass, but haven't done jack shit about it. Keir, I love you and all but shut up.{/b] I don't care that you find your other head town. Can you do me a favour and look for scum. Your hard defense with no scum hunting is way scummier than marv's early game (not calling you scum, just a reminder to scum hunt) I said earlier I had no problem with the golems and one of you mentioned that I was okay with trolling or something. That wasn't it at all, I just feel like in their role play I can genuinely follow their thoughts so I don't mind it. And as VE said its kinda cute. No. Fuck that. I'll shut up when he's provided a satisfactory reason for me being scum, since he's spent so much time talking about it. He's "contributing" without actually doing anything. That's not gonna fly, and I'll keep pressuring him until he gives me a reason not to. [b]Of course I find my "other half" town because he shares my alignment. What a stupid statement. None of us in this game are separate entities. Yea, every individual player is accountable not only for his actions, but those of his partner too. I am marv, marv is me. Just like you == yamato. that is my point. Stop giving us meta reads on yourself and hunt scum, if you think it is moc show me why. goodnight. What? Literally the only thing I've said about marv's meta was my very first post in response to Moology, because I wanted him to back up his stance on us. | ||
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On March 14 2013 19:32 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 19:21 DrParnassus wrote: Lets talk about marv since nothing will happen with wittyhydra if he doesnt post. Unusually quick to get into fights is rather subjective I think, so what else makes marv scum? Because he thinks you are scum? Or? /oats marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. I simply cannot refute this. ~marv P.S. I would note that last time this post was made, the guy was town. Just sayin' like. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:14 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 23:08 FiveTouch wrote: On March 14 2013 19:32 Dirk Hardpec wrote: On March 14 2013 19:21 DrParnassus wrote: Lets talk about marv since nothing will happen with wittyhydra if he doesnt post. Unusually quick to get into fights is rather subjective I think, so what else makes marv scum? Because he thinks you are scum? Or? /oats marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. marv is scum. I simply cannot refute this. ~marv P.S. I would note that last time this post was made, the guy was town. Just sayin' like. lets kill the witty one he ain't gonna hunt scum. I could happily kill either to be honest. As Dirk gave a one-liner on Witty, I will accede to your request as that is one line more than Witty has made. ##Unvote ##Vote: WittyHydraName | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:48 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Since when is the amount of reasoning palmar and bugs give any indication to their alignment? /syllo Whoever said it was? It's still more reasoning on a mafia-read than Witty gave. I can vote for you if you really want though, darling. | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:28 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 02:12 ObliviousEyes wrote: Okay so I woke up, saw Dirk spamming some more, and decided that yeah, I think I wanna kill it. He's actively trying to keep us from scumhunting. ACTIVELY. There's purpose in the way he's posting, and it's not a town purpose. The way I see it is: do we lynch a lurker with literally nothing relevant in his filter? Or do we lynch someone who is actively not trying to find scum? Again he makes it seem as though he thinks marv is scum, and again has failed to provide any kind of reasoning beyond "he's a big ol' meanie". If his spam "marv is scum" post can be believed, he seems to think marv is scum. So why not try and get marv lynched? Both Bugs AND Palmar (AND syllo if he's all up in there too) know that "marv is scum" isn't going to sway anyone. Kill Dirk. He gots to be scum yo. adam/snarfs is scum. this cannot be disputed. why are you trying to dispute it? -hungover thrawn Yes, that post is very odd indeed. sandro, I have no reason to be aggressive right now, and for perhaps fairly obvious reasons I am trying very hard not to be too much of an ass this game. ~marv | ||
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I find it exceedingly hard to believe that, if they are town, *one* of them wouldn't have provided contributions by now. It's too unlikely to be true. Simple answer is that they're mafia and can't be fucked. | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:21 ObliviousEyes wrote: If you like Dirk for lynch Golems, why don't you join me? You're the one talking about us having time for switch-back shenannies, put your money where your mouth is. The last time I saw Dirk playing similar to this game was.....fuck whatever, that mini where I was scum with marv. Palmar and Bugs were at each other's throats the whole of D1, but they both gave at least cursory opinions of other players. There's none of that this game. They're hiding in their FT tunnel, and it's scummy as fuck. LYNCH DIRK YOU FUCKS Give me a reason why Witty is town, and we'll talk. | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:24 ObliviousEyes wrote: There's not enough Give me a reason Dirk is town. In spite of there being ~5x more material, I bet you can't. I can't give you one. But, between Dirk and Witty, I would rather have Dirk around tomorrow on the off chance they actually do something to make me think they are town. Basically, when you have two candidates that you can't see being town, I will always pick the least potentially useful one. | ||
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The game is short so I advise everyone to actually re-read the whole day so they have a feel for what went down and how and when. ~marv | ||
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On March 15 2013 08:18 DrParnassus wrote: marv u want to say something? I can just feel you trying to sneakily divert supsicion towards hapa and myself, as we were the biggest champions of this lynch. It doesn't take a genius to remember that, and you are acting as if you have no clue who pushed the wittyname lynch yet you're saying that those people are the ones to blame No, I'd genuinely forgotten it was specifically you, you'll have to understand that I've not been paying enough attention as I should. I will say you have been my strongest town-read all day, so if you really were the catalyst, I don't think you are mafia. ~marv | ||
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How do you feel about iamp saying earlier that as scum he doesn't like to be in the spotlight...then proceeding to stay out of the spotlight for most of the game? | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote: Is that a loaded question?' Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. No, its not a loaded question. I wanted some actual thoughts about it. Do you think he's been intentionally avoiding the spotlight? He has had flashes of his town arrogance, but for the most part has been quiet. Do you think a scum iamp would basically out himself in the thread like that? I mean, anyone who is familiar with iamp knows that already, but its one thing for everyone to know something, and another thing for you to personally tell them what makes you scum and then...keep doing it. | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:04 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote: Is that a loaded question?' Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. Iamp/Hapa hydra has a pretty big filter this game though, how can you say that Iamp isnt being in the spotlight? Iamp has definitely stayed out of the spotlight. At least compared to his normal town persona. Town iamp is very...outspoken. Like I said, he's done that a few times (particularly him calling out marv early, etc), but its still in much, much, much less frequent than how he normally plays as town. He's been pretty content to just make an occasional, useless comment. Almost all of the actual content is from Hapa. | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:18 Promato wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 15:04 DrParnassus wrote: On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote: Is that a loaded question?' Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. Iamp/Hapa hydra has a pretty big filter this game though, how can you say that Iamp isnt being in the spotlight? I just reread that filter, and it's Hapa who is being active, not iamp. I really don't feel like they're worth pursuing any longer. Hapa does not look disinterested, despite the low activity. Compared to some, he is kind of spammy actually. Well, I dont think that being spammy in itself is a town tell, but I do think Hapa has been decently interested in the game, and giving some useful insights. I was kind of like Throats, leaning town on Hapa, leaning scum on iamp. But the WIFOMy iamp thing is enough that I'm pretty okay with them for now. Now, what does that mean about the big case from Golems about ObsQT? | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:37 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 15:34 FiveTouch wrote: On March 15 2013 15:18 Promato wrote: On March 15 2013 15:04 DrParnassus wrote: On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote: Is that a loaded question?' Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. Iamp/Hapa hydra has a pretty big filter this game though, how can you say that Iamp isnt being in the spotlight? I just reread that filter, and it's Hapa who is being active, not iamp. I really don't feel like they're worth pursuing any longer. Hapa does not look disinterested, despite the low activity. Compared to some, he is kind of spammy actually. Well, I dont think that being spammy in itself is a town tell, but I do think Hapa has been decently interested in the game, and giving some useful insights. I was kind of like Throats, leaning town on Hapa, leaning scum on iamp. But the WIFOMy iamp thing is enough that I'm pretty okay with them for now. Now, what does that mean about the big case from Golems about ObsQT? nothing, becuase hapa/iamp are unflipped? castinggolems #1 townread btw -tom waits Of course it means something. If I have reason to believe that someone is town, but someone else makes a case about said person, then judging the case is a good way to decide if either I'm wrong about my read, or if the person could be trying to push an unauthentic case. FWIW, I feel like some of the points in Golems case are really....reaching. "Soft defending" himself? The quote in question was that he, Hapa, had no reason to look into the rest of the population. He never said "Hey don't look into me because I'm not one of those 3 people", nor did he imply it. Of course he isn't going to look into himself. That's not soft-defending yourself, that's just common sense. And...basically all the rest of it a connection case between *TWO* unflipped players. The only point he made that actually makes ObsQT scum on his own is the one about "soft defending himself" (which is bullshit anyways). Everything else he wrote 100% falls apart if Dirk isn't scum. Do explain why they are your #1 town read though, plx. | ||
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On March 15 2013 22:15 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Not unexpected but probably for the best as he did not seem to be interested at all in playing the game. Let's check up on things tomorrow and see what has happened. /chaos13 I knew Witty would flip town but I didn't give a shit enough to look for mafia. | ||
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1) what you're describing isn't my lazy scumplay, it's an outright slip. Even in my 'lazy' scumgames I don't outright slip. I'm too good, too meticulous. You know this. 2) Given the flip, and the play apart from it, it seems pretty likely to me that Dirk is mafia, so looking at who helped moved the lynch from Dirk to Witty makes sense. ~marv | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:03 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 00:05 FiveTouch wrote: fine, I'll be serious for a moment, even though I think you're hilarious. 1) what you're describing isn't my lazy scumplay, it's an outright slip. Even in my 'lazy' scumgames I don't outright slip. I'm too good, too meticulous. You know this. 2) Given the flip, and the play apart from it, it seems pretty likely to me that Dirk is mafia, so looking at who helped moved the lynch from Dirk to Witty makes sense. ~marv The lynch on Dirk was pure OMGUS, in terms of you are lynching Dirk for being bad. Seriously do you dont agree with the fact that Dirk is playing like an outed scum? Why would he do that as scum? Why would he do that as town? Why would he say he expected Witty to flip town, and if this is the case why didn't he look for a mafia to lynch? | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:25 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + ANSWEROn March 16 2013 00:30 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 16 2013 00:05 FiveTouch wrote: fine, I'll be serious for a moment, even though I think you're hilarious. Even in my 'lazy' scumgames I don't outright slip. I'm too good, too meticulous. You know this. 2) Given the flip, and the play apart from it, it seems pretty likely to me that Dirk is mafia, so looking at who helped moved the lynch from Dirk to Witty makes sense. ~marv do you stand by this statement as fact. yes. apart from that tiny tiny slip no-one found in NMM3 and that you only know about because I told you. | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:29 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 01:27 FiveTouch wrote: On March 16 2013 01:25 iamperfection wrote: On March 16 2013 00:30 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: ANSWEROn March 16 2013 00:05 FiveTouch wrote: fine, I'll be serious for a moment, even though I think you're hilarious. Even in my 'lazy' scumgames I don't outright slip. I'm too good, too meticulous. You know this. 2) Given the flip, and the play apart from it, it seems pretty likely to me that Dirk is mafia, so looking at who helped moved the lynch from Dirk to Witty makes sense. ~marv do you stand by this statement as fact. yes. apart from that tiny tiny slip no-one found in NMM3 and that you only know about because I told you. Damn it yeah bro can we stop this silliness now please? | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:26 TLCastingGolems wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 18:51 Moology wrote: Now (Essentially a last will) My concerns are currently with the following teams (1) Golems - They seem to have listened to feedback. I want to see a bit more from them before deciding which side of null they are going. But it is a positive from less experienced players to take criticisms on board. (2) Newbie - They are Jeckyl/Hyde so far. I think they need to be scrutinsed Day2, to get some consistency between the two haeds. Right now the lack of consistency makes them essentially unreadable (i.e. a very confused read) sitting at very slightly leaning town. (3) Promato - Im just scared of lurkers in general after the loss in Mafia LX. These guys have given reasons for the low activity so I expect HIGH QUALITY with small doses. Not getting that so far; they are my sleeper pick for scum. Yams recent list post was... *meh* bunch of wishy-washy reads. Which is fine and all - considering the lack of activity; but why bother to post it? Like i said, if you want to post less fine; but the quality needs to be there. (4) Hardpec - I am in agreement with Omni here. And I dont care Oats that you disagree. If hes not a strong town read, dont step in. And certainly @ night, do not expect a case. Hardpec + Promato are my current picks to follow through with on Day2 (4 1/2) VE - I am throwing him in purely because hes not as active as I have come to expect from recent town VE + Normally he uimms/ahhs a fuck ton before lynch - and we not getting that this game. Seriously Oats; dont fuckn cock-block me again when trying to pressure someone. Unless they are a fuckn probably town read for you; you have no reason to not be interested in the interaction. And so far, you have shown nothing that indicates Hardpec is a probably town read for you. ============== This is probably going to be my last post for the cycle. Going out tonight, and deadline is 7am on a Saturday => i will miss it. (moc) Cool list post Mocsta. And for the record, I'm offended FOR Soniv, since he's been playing and has played LONG before you were around IIRC. Blame the 'taking criticism,' and 'less experienced' on me imo, but don't for a second assume that my better half doesn't know exactly what's going on. Also I never quite understood your tendency to post last wills, especially since they always seem to occur on nights where you're not likely to be targeted. -Wave Healthy egocentricity. He's doing it for that time when he has become a goliath and is a regular early NK target. A fine ambition. | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:07 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 02:01 FiveTouch wrote: I'm quite sceptical that iamp is mafia. His case is stupid but it doesn't make him mafia. ~marv it's not really his case, I actually agree with some of the points he brings up. it's the manner in which the case is written, and how fast he slunk away after you yelled at him Whenever the question of iamp's alignment is brought up in other games (where he is town) everyone is quick to scream "NO IAMP IS AN INNOCENT CHILD!" Do you see anything about his play in this game that reminds you of his near-mod-confirmed town status in other games? t iamp came quite close to being lynched Day 1 in Themed Mafia as town. I believe for a time he was the vote leader not long before the final votecount. I don't definitely think he's town by any means, but I've got no particular reason right now to call him mafia, either. ~marv | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:23 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 02:18 DrParnassus wrote: HI IAMP. I'm looking right at you but you won't make eye contact with me! Why so guilty? because you have no idea what your talking about how does me making a case on marv make me mafia dear. Theoretically, because the case was made up from 100% bullshit. But, its you we're talking about, so that doesn't exactly apply. ~Keir | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 02:22 FiveTouch wrote: Playing for modkill is a really bad way to play the game. Which is why we asked the mods if he would be modkilled. Modkills are always unfortunate, but I don't get why town would be content with letting their KP be diminished by having their target die to something out of their control and waste the days lynch. But I'm clearly not seeing something that everyone else is. -S4 1) He wasn't going to be modkilled anyways. He was going to be warned. 2) Playing around a modkill is dumb anyways. What if he comes back at the last minute and makes a vote? He would end up being a nigh-unanimous lynch tomorrow, and likely stall out discussion. 3) Even if he was getting modkilled, in theory, modkill+lynch shortens town's lifespan by half a cycle. Meaning the last day would be MYLO instead of LYLO. But, if it happens in the other direction (say, a Doc save), then town gets an extra day before MYLO, unless a modkill already happened. | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:26 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 02:23 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 16 2013 02:18 DrParnassus wrote: HI IAMP. I'm looking right at you but you won't make eye contact with me! Why so guilty? because you have no idea what your talking about how does me making a case on marv make me mafia dear. it doesn't. the way you're playing this game does. you have done fuck all so far and you come across like a grumpy old fart as opposed to your usual angelic childlike appearance Except what you're doing is taking your ire out on someone who is in the thread, discussing things with other people, while other players sit idly by. ~marv | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 02:26 FiveTouch wrote: On March 16 2013 02:23 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 16 2013 02:18 DrParnassus wrote: HI IAMP. I'm looking right at you but you won't make eye contact with me! Why so guilty? because you have no idea what your talking about how does me making a case on marv make me mafia dear. Theoretically, because the case was made up from 100% bullshit. But, its you we're talking about, so that doesn't exactly apply. ~Keir Hey kier what do you think my alignment is + Show Spoiler + i make myself chuckle so much Read the game? I said last night. | ||
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On March 16 2013 04:59 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 04:57 FiveTouch wrote: I don't really agree with your conclusions. I'll post more later. I've checked the filters I need. ~marv i'm guessing you're gonna call newbieobs town, and probably one of promato/oblivious scum? I have to leave in an hour so get back to me soon I'll post at deadline as per usual. ~marv | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:08 DrParnassus wrote: Everyone yelled at the castinggolems for all of D1. The majority of the yelling had to do with their roleplaying..... yet they kept roleplaying? Would scum do this? I don't think so. They only recently stopped, but it was due to "time-constraints" instead of peer-pressure. I say the fact that they continued to role-play despite everyone bitching about says that they're town. The whole modkill argument... I wouldn't put too much stock in that. While stupid, I've seen that argument used A LOT in newbie games.... and not only in newbie games for what it's worth. This... this is not a good reason to have a strong townread on someone. You could easily make the argument the other way - if they gave it up immediately, they are immediately making the thread more readable, and making themselves more readable. Instead they chose to continue to be more unreadable than is necessary. You're effectively WIFOMING yourself into your strongest town read. Just fyi, I think Golems are probably town too, but your reasoning is wonky. ~marv | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:18 DrParnassus wrote: yeah it's wifomy but i gotta flip the coin eventually lol i have other reasons to think they're town, but that's the one i came up with while i was high last night so it's my favorite There's flipping a coin, and there's screaming do not lynch because you flipped said coin. ~marv | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote: Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important. ~Keir 'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions. I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus. | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:41 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote: On March 16 2013 05:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote: Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important. ~Keir 'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions. I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus. in that case, please realize that it doesn't come across that way. it comes across as marv being the only one who posts reads. nobody is privy to your and marv's convos Here's a tip: marv is going to post our reads at the end of the night. That doesn't mean I didn't participate in making them. | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:42 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote: On March 16 2013 05:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote: Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important. ~Keir 'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions. I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus. Yeah but how the fuck am I supposed to know that? Part of me reading your hydra is reading you. You not posting makes it impossible to get information out of you, and makes it impossible to hold you accountible for anything. I don't have different opinions from marv. The end. Everything he's said, I agree with. | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:43 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 05:42 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote: On March 16 2013 05:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote: Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important. ~Keir 'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions. I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus. Yeah but how the fuck am I supposed to know that? Part of me reading your hydra is reading you. You not posting makes it impossible to get information out of you, and makes it impossible to hold you accountible for anything. I don't see that this matters. Hyrdas are one being. You must read fivetouch. Not kier, not marv, but fivetouch. This. Exactly. I didn't sign up for the game to be a separate player. I wanted to hydra with marv to talk with him during a game about what he's thinking, what I'm thinking, and discuss with him and consolidate reads. This conversation wouldn't even be happening if hydras were anonymous and people weren't signing their posts. It's a dumb argument. | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:29 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Promato - Leaning scum. Prome is busy and that's understandable, however the Yamato half has been nothing like I'd expect from town Yamato. Even barring his early-game inactivity, his contributions since have been less than impressive. There's a very wishy-washy list post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=23#445 This point about the list-post is terrible. Really terrible. What about the contents of the list post? I agree with most of the reads and I agree with most of the reasoning behind the reads. In addition, he said he needed to look into you, and then subsequently did so, making a series of natural posts regarding how you were posting and your alignment. ~marv | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:57 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 05:54 FiveTouch wrote: On March 16 2013 05:29 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Promato - Leaning scum. Prome is busy and that's understandable, however the Yamato half has been nothing like I'd expect from town Yamato. Even barring his early-game inactivity, his contributions since have been less than impressive. There's a very wishy-washy list post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=23#445 This point about the list-post is terrible. Really terrible. What about the contents of the list post? I agree with most of the reads and I agree with most of the reasoning behind the reads. In addition, he said he needed to look into you, and then subsequently did so, making a series of natural posts regarding how you were posting and your alignment. ~marv There's just very little there that I could hold him accountable for. He gives one very obvious town read (DrParnassus), then gives a lot of slight town/scum reads one way or the other. Could I see a townie doing that? Yeah for sure. However it's Yamato, who's generally passionate and foaming at the mouth about things. I'll check his filter again. | ||
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On March 16 2013 06:06 Promato wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 06:03 FiveTouch wrote: I still think he's town. Everything reads as pretty genuine to me. I understand the flow of the filter and the thoughts. I'm not totally certain about this, but I think so. ~marv Read the post I quoted. It's the only time he even MENTIONS Witty while town is fawning over lynching him. Not only was he otherwise ignorant of town's escapades, but he didn't even bother giving a read on the guy other than saying he's "willing to lynch him". Come on, Marv, this is scum VE and you know I know. WHY MUST YOU PREEMPT MY END OF NIGHT READS T.T | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:54 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 05:29 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Promato - Leaning scum. Prome is busy and that's understandable, however the Yamato half has been nothing like I'd expect from town Yamato. Even barring his early-game inactivity, his contributions since have been less than impressive. There's a very wishy-washy list post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=23#445 This point about the list-post is terrible. Really terrible. What about the contents of the list post? I agree with most of the reads and I agree with most of the reasoning behind the reads. In addition, he said he needed to look into you, and then subsequently did so, making a series of natural posts regarding how you were posting and your alignment. ~marv Expanding on this a bit, check out this series of events: On March 15 2013 14:39 Promato wrote: ....snip.... Hapa has been oddly quiet. In small minis like this, town Hapa is usually a pretty good driving force for conversation. I might have to give that head a good look very soon, because with the Adam/Snarfs town flip, they do look noticeably worse. ...snip.... -Yam On March 15 2013 14:58 FiveTouch wrote: Yo, yam: since you're here: How do you feel about iamp saying earlier that as scum he doesn't like to be in the spotlight...then proceeding to stay out of the spotlight for most of the game? On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote: Is that a loaded question?' Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. On March 15 2013 15:05 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote: Is that a loaded question?' Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. No, its not a loaded question. I wanted some actual thoughts about it. Do you think he's been intentionally avoiding the spotlight? He has had flashes of his town arrogance, but for the most part has been quiet. Do you think a scum iamp would basically out himself in the thread like that? I mean, anyone who is familiar with iamp knows that already, but its one thing for everyone to know something, and another thing for you to personally tell them what makes you scum and then...keep doing it. On March 15 2013 15:08 Promato wrote: I don't like focusing on WIFOM like that. What I do know is that they are both collectively confident, spam-happy town players normally, and I am not feeling that from their filter this game. It's markedly off, and it's something I have noted, but then again, most everyone is playing low-activity for their normal selves. Then just a few minutes later: On March 15 2013 15:18 Promato wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 15:04 DrParnassus wrote: On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote: Is that a loaded question?' Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. Iamp/Hapa hydra has a pretty big filter this game though, how can you say that Iamp isnt being in the spotlight? I just reread that filter, and it's Hapa who is being active, not iamp. I really don't feel like they're worth pursuing any longer. Hapa does not look disinterested, despite the low activity. Compared to some, he is kind of spammy actually. I think this line of dialog makes it very likely that Promato is town. He came in with a decently strong scumread on ObsQT. Then I gave him even MORE reason to think that Promato was scum, with the iamp thing. But then he up and changes his read. I don't see a scum Promato doing that. I was actively trying to get him into some discourse about a potential scum suspect and get some genuine thoughts, and he could have used it to cement his read further and have more ground for pushing. But he didn't. If he's scum, he closed off one of his potential mislynch options, under no pressure to do so. ~Keir | ||
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On March 16 2013 06:06 Promato wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 06:03 FiveTouch wrote: I still think he's town. Everything reads as pretty genuine to me. I understand the flow of the filter and the thoughts. I'm not totally certain about this, but I think so. ~marv Read the post I quoted. It's the only time he even MENTIONS Witty while town is fawning over lynching him. Not only was he otherwise ignorant of town's escapades, but he didn't even bother giving a read on the guy other than saying he's "willing to lynch him". Come on, Marv, this is scum VE and you know I know. Oh and misunderstanding - I was talking about you in that nested quote, not OE. ~marv | ||
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Dr. Parnassus - he has been the guy, and specifically thrawn, with the highest thread presence, constantly pushing things, arguing, discussing. thrawn is a wallflower as mafia. I've no reason whatsoever to think the Dr. is mafia. Moology - Kei and I had some disagreements about this originally, but I'm fairly convinced Moology is town. Mocsta was arguing with the Dr. earlier in the thread, but took the opportunity to abandon the argument. Mocsta, as mafia, LOVES these arguments. He'll literally go at it for pages and pages, but here he didn't. In addition to this, his posts feel sincere, I can follow his thought process, his suspicions, and he seems to be genuinely trying to figure things out. Promato - again, and I checked twice because of Hapa, Promato's posts feel genuine. There's plenty of off the cuff natural stuff in their filter. His list post is actually good because I agreed with the reads and reasoning, and in addition the way he went about his XXXI_ObsQT read looked good, as Keirathi highlighted earlier. He could easily have continued finding him suspicious, was almost encouraged to do so in fact, but backed down from it. NewbieXXXI_obsQT - I've simply not seen much to make me think they're mafia. Unlike thrawn, I have seen the lightheartedness I expect from iamp's posts, for example his replies to me when he was trying to 'trap' me when I said I never scumslip. On Hapa's part, Hapa is a player that when he's mafia, all his posts just feel horrible. See Duel Mafia where in N0 I said on more than one occasion things like "I don't like any of Hapa's posts" or "nothing Hapa has done makes me think he's town". Here, I don't get that feeling at all, there seems to be a genuine thought process and I'm liking what I see (despite the slightly limited activity compared to normal). TheCastingGolems - this is the townread I'm least sure about, although I still think they're town. Actually I find their arguments about wanting to take advantage of the modkill somewhat of a towntell. If, by some miracle, Dirk flips town, then I would reconsider this read. I can't see any particular reason they're mafia right now though. Dirk Hardpec - so yes, this guy is mafia. It's clear enough, it's been mentioned why - the trolling, the "I knew he'd flip town but did nothing about doing something else", the lack of anything. On March 16 2013 03:47 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Please hold some of your questions. I'll convince yall I'm town tomorrow. Do *not* be fooled by this. This is typical vettish scumplay from Palmar (probably bugs too). I'll contribute later... just you wait... I'll prove I'm town... and then there'll be a post that these players are very capable of making look good or convincing. What you need to remember is that they have not contributed in the slightest so far. That's actually the important issue. Don't forget, also, that Palmar is well known for having Day 1 as his absolute best day. Like, by far. He catches mafia regularly Day 1, and tails off after. There's a post he made about this in the obsQT for Hero Mini Mafia if you're really interested in checking what I've said. The salient point being that theoretical town-Palmar has wasted his absolute best day of catching mafia, on the offhand promise that he'll do better tomorrow, and willingly lynching into town. He must die. ObliviousEyes - I also think it's pretty likely this guy is mafia. He apparently pushed Dirk, and by his posts it looks like that, but in the middle of all his pushing is this: On March 15 2013 04:18 ObliviousEyes wrote: I am willing to consolidate upon the lurker WittyHydraName. I think Palmugs more likely to flip scum. The fact he's willing to consolidate over means everyone reading his posts thinks "well, they think Witty is probably mafia too if they're willing to consolidate here, no reason to switch". VE also says that Witty is just a "lurker lynch", and yet fails to mention at all the usual town metas of Adam and Snarfs. This was a point that everyone else brought up. It *wasn't* just a lurker lynch, it's the fact that Adam and Snarfs both lurk as mafia and not usually as town, and this wasn't addressed. The interesting thing looking at ObliviousEyes, actually, is that there's a very experienced player combined with a newbie. So we can really catch these guys out looking at Oblivious' posts; VE will be harder to catch. This post *alone* is worth a lynch: On March 14 2013 14:54 ObliviousEyes wrote: Regarding WittyHydraName: Adam's return/entrance to the thread with his declared lack of motivation is concerning to me. It's been a while without any content from that pair, too. Snarfs asked a couple questions and peaced out, seemed mostly concerned with ObsQT's vote. Iamperfection is on that team, so I don't expect it to be clear of ObsQT's alignment immediately but Witty(snarfs) took the early vote a bit seriously. I'll keep an eye on Witty, not too concerned with ObsQT right now. Dirk Hardpec is interesting. Chatty but not terribly informative, at least the filter/game isn't terribly long so the lack of quoting/context on the posts isn't annoying yet. VE knows them better, I'm interested in seeing the fleshed out version of his read. -OO This really is the scummiest post in the entire thread (unlike Promato's list. take note of the difference folks). There's just a bunch of summaries of what's happening in the thread. Let's look for hard opinions, shall we? What do we have? - Witty is concerning - unclear on iamperfection - keep an eye on witty - Dirk is interesting - interested to see more Not even a shred of an opinion on anything alignment indicative. It's classic newbie mafia. The only shocking thing is that VE didn't stop him making this atrocity of a post (don't let them wifom that he would have stopped him by the way). Here's the followup: On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote: Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me. The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN) Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum. anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised. Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Again to recap: - Golems scummish but townieish - Snarfs is concerning Another followup: On March 14 2013 16:11 ObliviousEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 15:39 Moology wrote: On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote: On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote: Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me. The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN) Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum. anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised. Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Hello OO. (Please respond specifically instead of VE) What has liking the golem flavour got to do with them "coming from a townie place"? Does it actually matter if you think they are "more townie" than Witty; either Golems are town, scum or null; where do you stand? (moc) I don't think they're being harmful in the way they are choosing to voice themselves, though their opinions aren't exactly forthcoming they are more present and therefore more open and town-looking than Witty. It's a matter of degrees; if it were between the two right this moment I would lynch Witty over Golems. I'm not saying they're super town looking but I can see how it could be just them being town and having some fun. They haven't been under really strong pressure yet, and if they are I would hope they drop the flavor to focus on being effective instead of entertaining. Some up-to-date concrete opinions would mean a lot right now from them, though. -OO - I have made a bulletpoint but I have literally nothing to say as the post says absolutely nothing whatsoever. ObliviousEyes looks very mafia indeed when we look at ObviousOne's contributions. They are all summaries, there's a complete refusal to take stances on anyone. He is the weakling of this team, and he's proving himself as such. Classic mafia play from OO in all regards. Anyway, there's one most post I want to discuss, this time from VE. It's very interesting. I've cropped out the reads, because actually they are the least interesting part of the whole post. On March 16 2013 06:42 ObliviousEyes wrote: The Last Will And Testament of ObliviousEyes There are a couple of points that I want to raise before starting. First, after a long discussion with my other head, I've come to the conclusion that this game is much deeper than I'd originally anticipated. I quickly realized that while our ultimate reads of a couple of players were the same, we disagreed on a few key players for various reasons…but chiefly among them was the fact that we have differing reads between heads of hydras, and we disagreed on the implications of this. I subscribe to the school of thought that we should be reading the slot and not trying to read the individual players at this point, mainly because early on I was having conflicting reads between heads (Oats/thrawn, iamp/Hapa). OO however has been trying to read the players rather than the intentions of the slot which is an interesting approach, but ultimately useless in my opinion because there are some players (Hapa, marv, Bugs) who are going to be able to look townie regardless of their actual alignment. We decided that we are going to continue to take different approaches to scum hunting moving forward. I feel like in this way we have a better chance of missing something the other misses. But as a result, the reads I'm about to give are my reads, not OO's. We agree on a few, but these are ultimately my thoughts. I'm not aware of whether he intends to give his final thoughts, I didn't think to ask because I had intended to myself. First of all, note how long this segment is. Two hefty paragraphs to tell us how him and Obvious are *different* people with different reads. And look at how long the explanation is! All the nitty gritty, exactly why they're different, and a further explanation of how they're going to continue being different. VE will no doubt argue that he's just being transparent, but actually it betrays a different mindset - he's overcompensating to show that they're *really* town and they're *both* scumhunting and because they're both town they'll have different reads. The following reads are *so* VE's reads that he's kindly presenting to us guys. But wait? Shouldn't they be, I don't know, discussing their reads, seeing how they're different, trying to work things out and present their reads as *one slot* to the thread? (as VE points out, he sees things as one slot. And yet here he is making HIS slot into two different people. Funny isn't it?) 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On March 16 2013 08:09 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 08:04 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 16 2013 08:03 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Oh wait that's a kill? I thought it was some mod-confirmed townie action. reading op is useful..... Who reads the OP gawd. And fuck you iamp - I can't post with this goddamn flood control. Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 08:04 FiveTouch wrote: My post looks pretty sketch because I'm preempting the NK but Golems looks significantly worse for wanting to lynch Dirk as well as have Witty modkilled. ~marv Do you have any ideas about that NK? I mean I can't make sense of it at all unless a) someone thought he was blue b) you did it to protect your hide ~hapa mafia are afraid they're going to start playing and they have absolutely zero chance of being protected by any potential medic. ~marv | ||
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On March 16 2013 09:25 DrParnassus wrote: ##Vote: DrParnassus there is no need to state the obvious so if you do, i'll probably just troll in response. this is my real vote for d2 and I don't intend on changing it unless I think scum isn't going to get lynched. What the actual fuck? | ||
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On March 16 2013 09:34 DrParnassus wrote: everyone's both town and scum alike is probably gonna sheep you marv so don't worry about it. i don't want to vote this cycle, but i'm required to do so. this is the closest I can come to throwing away my vote within the rules of the game btw, marv pls don't post again lest you reach the unholy number and doom us all Why in the hell would you not want to vote? Literally this line of thinking makes 0 fucking sense. | ||
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On March 16 2013 09:40 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: ##Unvote I'm too damn paranoid. The simplest explanation for the NK is that marv ordered the kill. I don't know how likely that is, but I need to pursue it to see if it has merit. It was a fucking weird-ass NK for anyone here to make, and today shouldn't be a "sheep marv blindly" day without additional reasons to trust him. @ Marv There are two reasons why I'm concerned. 1) You did something very similar in DeathNote Mini, where you wanted to kill Palmar on Day 1, but couldn't because of wonky-kill mechanics and the town mislynching Palmar Day 1. 2) Palmar does have a history of trolling Day 1. DeathNote Mini comes to mind, where he just made like 2 posts the entirety of the day. As such, this explanation in your "martyr" post comes across as dishonest: Show nested quote + Dirk Hardpec - so yes, this guy is mafia. It's clear enough, it's been mentioned why - the trolling, the "I knew he'd flip town but did nothing about doing something else", the lack of anything. On March 16 2013 03:47 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Please hold some of your questions. I'll convince yall I'm town tomorrow. Do *not* be fooled by this. This is typical vettish scumplay from Palmar (probably bugs too). I'll contribute later... just you wait... I'll prove I'm town... and then there'll be a post that these players are very capable of making look good or convincing. What you need to remember is that they have not contributed in the slightest so far. That's actually the important issue. Don't forget, also, that Palmar is well known for having Day 1 as his absolute best day. Like, by far. He catches mafia regularly Day 1, and tails off after. There's a post he made about this in the obsQT for Hero Mini Mafia if you're really interested in checking what I've said. The salient point being that theoretical town-Palmar has wasted his absolute best day of catching mafia, on the offhand promise that he'll do better tomorrow, and willingly lynching into town. He must die. Palmar does waste Day 1's as town. Not often, but he does. This is a pretty clear misrepresentation of his play, and you definetely know his history. Since when did I ask this to be a sheep marv day? What the fuck is wrong with all you people? Either you agree with my case or you don't. If you have an alternative explanation for OO's posts, I'm all ears. GO AND READ THEM YOURSELF. I think OE is the best lynch, if the rest of you don't, do something the fuck about it rather than fucking whining like little bitches that it's just sheep marv day. Jesus christ. To repeat to you, Hapa, I accused Palmar of being mafia for wasting his Day 1, and bugs as town doesn't usually waste Day 1s. Can you find me a single example in living memory where bugs did nothing as town on Day 1? I sure as hell can't. ~marv | ||
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On March 16 2013 09:34 DrParnassus wrote: everyone's both town and scum alike is probably gonna sheep you marv so don't worry about it. i don't want to vote this cycle, but i'm required to do so. this is the closest I can come to throwing away my vote within the rules of the game btw, marv pls don't post again lest you reach the unholy number and doom us all this is just pathetic. absolutely pathetic. it incenses me. | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:05 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 09:40 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: ##Unvote I'm too damn paranoid. The simplest explanation for the NK is that marv ordered the kill. I don't know how likely that is, but I need to pursue it to see if it has merit. It was a fucking weird-ass NK for anyone here to make, and today shouldn't be a "sheep marv blindly" day without additional reasons to trust him. @ Marv There are two reasons why I'm concerned. 1) You did something very similar in DeathNote Mini, where you wanted to kill Palmar on Day 1, but couldn't because of wonky-kill mechanics and the town mislynching Palmar Day 1. 2) Palmar does have a history of trolling Day 1. DeathNote Mini comes to mind, where he just made like 2 posts the entirety of the day. As such, this explanation in your "martyr" post comes across as dishonest: Dirk Hardpec - so yes, this guy is mafia. It's clear enough, it's been mentioned why - the trolling, the "I knew he'd flip town but did nothing about doing something else", the lack of anything. On March 16 2013 03:47 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Please hold some of your questions. I'll convince yall I'm town tomorrow. Do *not* be fooled by this. This is typical vettish scumplay from Palmar (probably bugs too). I'll contribute later... just you wait... I'll prove I'm town... and then there'll be a post that these players are very capable of making look good or convincing. What you need to remember is that they have not contributed in the slightest so far. That's actually the important issue. Don't forget, also, that Palmar is well known for having Day 1 as his absolute best day. Like, by far. He catches mafia regularly Day 1, and tails off after. There's a post he made about this in the obsQT for Hero Mini Mafia if you're really interested in checking what I've said. The salient point being that theoretical town-Palmar has wasted his absolute best day of catching mafia, on the offhand promise that he'll do better tomorrow, and willingly lynching into town. He must die. Palmar does waste Day 1's as town. Not often, but he does. This is a pretty clear misrepresentation of his play, and you definetely know his history. Since when did I ask this to be a sheep marv day? What the fuck is wrong with all you people? Either you agree with my case or you don't. If you have an alternative explanation for OO's posts, I'm all ears. GO AND READ THEM YOURSELF. I think OE is the best lynch, if the rest of you don't, do something the fuck about it rather than fucking whining like little bitches that it's just sheep marv day. Jesus christ. To repeat to you, Hapa, I accused Palmar of being mafia for wasting his Day 1, and bugs as town doesn't usually waste Day 1s. Can you find me a single example in living memory where bugs did nothing as town on Day 1? I sure as hell can't. ~marv EBWOP: *in LVIII, with regards to Palmar. I don't even care about this, it's so irrelevant. | ||
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On March 16 2013 09:40 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: ##Unvote I'm too damn paranoid. The simplest explanation for the NK is that marv ordered the kill. I don't know how likely that is, but I need to pursue it to see if it has merit. It was a fucking weird-ass NK for anyone here to make, and today shouldn't be a "sheep marv blindly" day without additional reasons to trust him. @ Marv There are two reasons why I'm concerned. 1) You did something very similar in DeathNote Mini, where you wanted to kill Palmar on Day 1, but couldn't because of wonky-kill mechanics and the town mislynching Palmar Day 1. 2) Palmar does have a history of trolling Day 1. DeathNote Mini comes to mind, where he just made like 2 posts the entirety of the day. As such, this explanation in your "martyr" post comes across as dishonest: Show nested quote + Dirk Hardpec - so yes, this guy is mafia. It's clear enough, it's been mentioned why - the trolling, the "I knew he'd flip town but did nothing about doing something else", the lack of anything. On March 16 2013 03:47 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Please hold some of your questions. I'll convince yall I'm town tomorrow. Do *not* be fooled by this. This is typical vettish scumplay from Palmar (probably bugs too). I'll contribute later... just you wait... I'll prove I'm town... and then there'll be a post that these players are very capable of making look good or convincing. What you need to remember is that they have not contributed in the slightest so far. That's actually the important issue. Don't forget, also, that Palmar is well known for having Day 1 as his absolute best day. Like, by far. He catches mafia regularly Day 1, and tails off after. There's a post he made about this in the obsQT for Hero Mini Mafia if you're really interested in checking what I've said. The salient point being that theoretical town-Palmar has wasted his absolute best day of catching mafia, on the offhand promise that he'll do better tomorrow, and willingly lynching into town. He must die. Palmar does waste Day 1's as town. Not often, but he does. This is a pretty clear misrepresentation of his play, and you definetely know his history. 1) What about this is similar to DeathNote? I'm not following. Are you saying that Dirk couldn't have been lynched yesterday? I very strongly disagree with that, and if we (meaning me and marv) were more confident that Dirk was scum than Witty, we almost certainly could have gotten him lynched instead. 2) You're missing the point here. Maybe Palmar has trolled away a day 1 in the past (Death Note is the only example I know of...his other Trolly-Day-1 games, he still gives actual insight [read: LVIII...uh, seems like another too]). That doesn't change the fact that Palmar openly acknowledges that Day 1 is his best day as town, and then 100% wasted it by doing absolutely nothing. I would lynch a Palmar that refuses to play on his strongest day in any game, because town Palmar is far far more likely to put in at least a modicum of effort early on. | ||
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On March 16 2013 11:01 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 10:42 FiveTouch wrote: Its almost 3am in England. He went to bed. BOOOOOOOOOOO What's your take on all of this Kei? Do you 100% agree with Marv on everything, or is there something (hell anything) that you disagree with? Just so you know, the post asking you about DeathNote was me. Notice I said (me and marv), because I really don't remember much about Death Note since I wasn't in it and didn't read the early days. But no. We discussed our reads in length during the night and came to a consensus together. Promato was my town read, Moology was marv's, etc. We aren't separate players, we are FiveTouch. We're playing together as a team because that's honestly the best way to play a hydra. | ||
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On March 16 2013 11:07 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 11:05 FiveTouch wrote: On March 16 2013 11:01 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 16 2013 10:42 FiveTouch wrote: Its almost 3am in England. He went to bed. BOOOOOOOOOOO What's your take on all of this Kei? Do you 100% agree with Marv on everything, or is there something (hell anything) that you disagree with? Just so you know, the post asking you about DeathNote was me. Notice I said (me and marv), because I really don't remember much about Death Note since I wasn't in it and didn't read the early days. But no. We discussed our reads in length during the night and came to a consensus together. Promato was my town read, Moology was marv's, etc. We aren't separate players, we are FiveTouch. We're playing together as a team because that's honestly the best way to play a hydra. Yeah, but just because Moology was Marv's town read doesn't mean that you share that opinion. What is your individual NON-HYDRA opinion of Moology? That's a fucking dumb question. I had a thought, we discussed it, he convinced me otherwise, so I obviously agree with what he wrote, otherwise he wouldn't have written it. WE'RE WORKING AS A TEAM. Get that through your head. | ||
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On March 16 2013 11:08 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 11:07 FiveTouch wrote: So, from what I do remember of Death Note, marv had to send in his kills during the day. So, what you're saying is, he sent in a kill on Palmar, but kept pushing Palmar and got him lynched, therefore wasting his kill? I don't really see how that is that similar to this game at all. No he sent in the Palmar NK, and town lynched Palmar without Marv's help at all. I remember he was against the idea of killing Palmar (didn't push it much though). So...how is this situation similar then? You're saying: Dont push Palmer -> NK Palmar is the same as Push Palmar -> NK Palmar. I don't get it. On March 16 2013 11:11 Hapahauli wrote: ok ok yeah FT is town. Back to sheepy-land ##Vote ObliviousEyes wat | ||
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On March 16 2013 11:20 Hapahauli wrote: [/spoiler]You stepping up to the block when you didn't need to is a sign that you're town. I...what? That makes no fucking sense. I've been posting every night after marv goes to bed. You were suspicious of me earlier for it, but now its a town tell? | ||
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On March 16 2013 11:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 11:37 FiveTouch wrote: On March 16 2013 11:20 Hapahauli wrote: You stepping up to the block when you didn't need to is a sign that you're town. I...what? That makes no fucking sense. I've been posting every night after marv goes to bed. You were suspicious of me earlier for it, but now its a town tell? Sure why not? Marv went to bed, and you are apparently taking the whole "we are one person thing" seriously. You didn't have to talk to me. You could have just not addressed me at all, and instead you jumped into the fray. I consider that townie, combined with your general "defiant" demeanor. As for my suspicious of you earlier, that was based on you not contributing reads and not understanding how you were playing that hydra. Anywho, you need not understand me - only agreement is required. Of course I need to understand you. I call out people with bullshit reasons for town reads on me all the time. But for now I'm satisfied with your answer. | ||
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On March 16 2013 14:53 DrParnassus wrote: like, i'm pretty certain VE is scum. i'm certain enough that VE is scum that i'm kinda willing to lynch TLGolem by association of his null read on VE, just to make VE have to play the game out a little longer. Hapa and Marv I have VERY strong town reads on. Marv's reaction to my self vote makes him town. Keir's insanity makes him town. Hapa looks very town from about D2 post onwards and I'm willing to chalk up the D1 to the general lazy atmosphere of the thread. Promato is town by association of his earlier case on VE That only leaves moology and TLCG, and after that last post from golems..... it's gotta be golem. yes I'm terribad for everything i've just written, but idc My insanity? Also those reaction posts to your self-vote were me. | ||
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On March 16 2013 15:09 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 14:53 DrParnassus wrote: like, i'm pretty certain VE is scum. i'm certain enough that VE is scum that i'm kinda willing to lynch TLGolem by association of his null read on VE, just to make VE have to play the game out a little longer. Hapa and Marv I have VERY strong town reads on. Marv's reaction to my self vote makes him town. Keir's insanity makes him town. Hapa looks very town from about D2 post onwards and I'm willing to chalk up the D1 to the general lazy atmosphere of the thread. Promato is town by association of his earlier case on VE That only leaves moology and TLCG, and after that last post from golems..... it's gotta be golem. yes I'm terribad for everything i've just written, but idc My insanity? Also those reaction posts to your self-vote were me. EBWOP: Specifically the "What the actual fuck" and "0 fucking sense" ones. ~Keir | ||
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On March 16 2013 15:15 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 15:14 FiveTouch wrote: Also, rofl @ Hapa repeating my points about the case against them Huh? Where? I thought I was being original =( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18026625 | ||
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On March 16 2013 15:25 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + For now I will fix my(/our) play and contribute in fewer, more meaningful amounts, because it is all we can muster right now. Nononononono. No. You will not post less. I don't care if you're promising a "higher quality" of posting - I need to see you active in the thread. You do not have the luxury be a lurker right now. Tomorrow, we are going to have a long, spammy chat in which I will figure out if what you did was indeed a "derp" moment or a pile of scummy BS. Fuck discussion with your partner. I want to figure out what you think. In addition, I want to see more of the WoS that had a 16 page filter in Mafia LX. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&user=66004 Bring that to me. I know I've been all "I discuss things with marv and we present a unified front", but I actually agree with you here. That line you quoted *REALLY* reads like "Man, we need to work together to construct good posts to make us look better". Need some fast-paced dialog going on, not constructed bullshit. | ||
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On March 16 2013 15:53 TLCastingGolems wrote: Alright, fair points I suppose. It's funny, but if you want to call the way we've been playing so far retreating into a shell, it arguably worked better for us than saying what I think, considering how much I fucking blew it. I can't say for certain you'll get what you want tomorrow, but you'll get something at least. To be completely honest, I don't give 2 flying fucks what works better for *you*. I care about what works better for town. And, at this point, since you are very seriously a lynch candidate, that means genuine thoughts and opinions. Not pre-fab bullshit. | ||
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On March 16 2013 17:50 ObliviousEyes wrote: How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do it and I've never played a game where I didn't get called out for it eventually. Nobody was happy with my play in LX because it was spammy as shit for the first day and I almost found myself hanging for it. I looked at the first 2 pages of your filter in LX and didn't find anything similar to the series of posts that I showed here. You were aggressive, somewhat trolly, and in your face. That's not what I'm seeing here at all. If you can show me posts you think are similar, I'm all ears. ~marv | ||
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1) Dr. P saying he would throw away his vote 2) you making the dumbest, most newbie mistake ever - speculating on N1 nightkill. I've never done this even once in any of my many mafia games, because it's so fucking retarded. You should know it's retarded too. | ||
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On March 16 2013 20:38 ObliviousEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 20:26 FiveTouch wrote: On March 16 2013 17:50 ObliviousEyes wrote: How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do it and I've never played a game where I didn't get called out for it eventually. Nobody was happy with my play in LX because it was spammy as shit for the first day and I almost found myself hanging for it. I looked at the first 2 pages of your filter in LX and didn't find anything similar to the series of posts that I showed here. You were aggressive, somewhat trolly, and in your face. That's not what I'm seeing here at all. If you can show me posts you think are similar, I'm all ears. ~marv I'm getting up in Promato's face right now. I just wrote above I wanted to avoid the spammy part in this game as part of being more readable instead of having a filter full of fluff as opposed to last time. As far as being aggressive, if you don't characterize what I'm doing with Promato right now as aggressive and in his face (as opposed to attacking the absent WittyHydraName from D1 which would have been fruitless, or the CastingGolems whose flavor I enjoyed but considered obfuscation, not entirely scummy and they have also decided to drop it at least for now) then I'm not sure how much more aggressive I can get without caps-lock. Do you not find my current actions aggressive? I'm trying to hold up my half of this hydra because not only am I playing for myself, but for VE as well and that's a lot more responsibility than I have had in any game outside of the newbie I replaced in as SK. There are parts of my play it makes sense to cut out like the spam and martyring and this is as good an opportunity as any when it's not just me whose slot goes down the drain based on my actions. No, this is no ways answers my question. You specifically said you made posts like the one I showed in my case, I said I couldn't find them. The onus is on you to prove me wrong. Please find me those horrendously wishy washy posts in LX (from day 1), as they are nowhere to be found as far as I can see. How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do it I want to physically see these posts from other games you're talking about. | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:22 TLCastingGolems wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 01:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote: On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote: On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote: On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote: Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler + the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper Who did you jail and any crumbs? Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor). Err, what? Please, show me these people that agreed with you. The only one I can remember is ObliviousEyes. Everyone else gave at least a minor town read to ObsQT, iirc. | ||
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On March 17 2013 02:19 TLCastingGolems wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 01:56 DrParnassus wrote: golems, you need to get to sharing reads and being productive asap. we can hash out this JK stuff later You can calm your tits asap. tl;dr calm your tits Current reads: DrParn FiveTouch Moology Newbie Promato OE Parn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things. Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player. I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc. Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in. -S4 This is the same shit you did earlier with ObsQT. Your entire "case" that he is scum revolves around someone else being scum. Except, you're even more non-committal towards it this time. What do you think about Promato as a player, regardless of any "connections"? What about my post earlier about why I thought Promato was town? Give some actual thoughts, for once. | ||
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On March 17 2013 02:51 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 02:19 TLCastingGolems wrote: On March 17 2013 01:56 DrParnassus wrote: golems, you need to get to sharing reads and being productive asap. we can hash out this JK stuff later You can calm your tits asap. tl;dr calm your tits Current reads: DrParn FiveTouch Moology Newbie Promato OE Parn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things. Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player. I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc. Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in. -S4 This is the same shit you did earlier with ObsQT. Your entire "case" that he is scum revolves around someone else being scum. Except, you're even more non-committal towards it this time. What do you think about Promato as a player, regardless of any "connections"? What about my post earlier about why I thought Promato was town? Give some actual thoughts, for once. You were all up in here pressuring people and calling people out, but don't respond when I pressure you back? (See how you're doing the same thing you call someone else out for earlier?) | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:02 TLCastingGolems wrote: On Prom: **snip** I asked you to comment on my post where I said why I think Promato is town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18031097 For reference. Do you agree or disagree with me, and why? | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:39 TLCastingGolems wrote: FiveTouch: Your conversation with Prom--- its a meta read which I know nothing about. I refuse to base my own reads based on meta of players I dont even know, and one measly meta read does not a towny player make imo. It's entirely possible for scum or town to come to the same conclusions you did. It's not a meta read at all. It's a mafia mentality read. A player comes in with a scum read on someone. I give them more reason to be suspicious of said person, and he changes his mind. What's the mafia motivation for doing that? Hint: there isn't one. As mafia, you don't close off potential mislynches for no reason. | ||
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On March 17 2013 08:19 Moology wrote: (4) Prome - I dont agree with marvs basis for a strong town read. I think good mafia can be flexible; + his first reaction was to ask "is it a loaded question"... (to me, indicating: he is thinking critically how answering this question will *AFFECT* his perceived image) As an aside its important to note, I dont think full meta reads apply to this game. You and another hydra head to ground you and help influence you to decisions you would not normally make. I think Marvs point was that the about turn came in minutes... but does it really take *just* minutes to re-read a filter and change your mind? I think it takes more time, so i dont find FTs "town read" relevant. You are missing the point entirely. Yes, scum can be flexible *WHEN THEY HAVE TO BE*. To play scum well, you have to be able to read thread atmosphere, and know how to 1) manipulate it, and 2) use it to know who you can push for a successful mislynch. Everything about the thread atmosphere at the time when Promato was talking about ObsQT was pointing towards ObsQT being a very possible lynch candidate. Scum don't shut down a potential mislynch option for themselves for no reason whatsoever. If thread atmosphere is turning, they will "change their minds" etc, but that was not the case at the time. I think its very, very, very unlikely that Promato is scum. | ||
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On March 17 2013 08:38 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Eh no sense in defending him marv. Yamato is a big boy and can defend himself. I think he's town too, but he's posting far less than I'd like him to. Haven't you figured out this isn't marv yet? Marv hasn't posted since like 8am this morning. Anyways, I'm not particularly trying to defend yamato. I'm explaining my read because I feel it is damn good reasoning and if someone wants me to think about Promato maybe being scum, they need to have some equally good reasoning. On March 17 2013 08:39 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 08:31 FiveTouch wrote: On March 17 2013 08:19 Moology wrote: (4) Prome - I dont agree with marvs basis for a strong town read. I think good mafia can be flexible; + his first reaction was to ask "is it a loaded question"... (to me, indicating: he is thinking critically how answering this question will *AFFECT* his perceived image) As an aside its important to note, I dont think full meta reads apply to this game. You and another hydra head to ground you and help influence you to decisions you would not normally make. I think Marvs point was that the about turn came in minutes... but does it really take *just* minutes to re-read a filter and change your mind? I think it takes more time, so i dont find FTs "town read" relevant. You are missing the point entirely. Yes, scum can be flexible *WHEN THEY HAVE TO BE*. To play scum well, you have to be able to read thread atmosphere, and know how to 1) manipulate it, and 2) use it to know who you can push for a successful mislynch. Everything about the thread atmosphere at the time when Promato was talking about ObsQT was pointing towards ObsQT being a very possible lynch candidate. Scum don't shut down a potential mislynch option for themselves for no reason whatsoever. If thread atmosphere is turning, they will "change their minds" etc, but that was not the case at the time. I think its very, very, very unlikely that Promato is scum. Well my perspective is: (1) If they are scum; they *KNOW* your alignment.. im thinking you are town, and the thread atmosphere indicates the same thought. So (2) if someone you know is town; and everyone else thinks their town; and has a reputation for solving games comes and puts soft-pressure on you: do you cock up and stick to your guns; or be soft and play the nice-guy card. Survival instincts, and typical mafia play suggest: be jelly every time. Fact is: Day1, usually there are multiple candidates to consider (as either alignment). I think as scum, its a low risk option to discard a current read, to appease someone you are threatened by. + can always play the "reads subject to change card" to shift them back into the limelight. Survival suggest playing the long game; not the short one.... I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one (moc) Why are you talking about my alignment? Promato didn't change his mind about *ME*, he changed his mind about Hapa/iamp. Who were a very real possible candidate during night 1, which was when the conversation happened. And the basic premise of your problem with my read is flawed. I wasn't putting pressure on Promato because of his read. In fact, I was ENCOURAGING, his read. That's a major, major difference. | ||
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On March 17 2013 08:47 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 08:46 FiveTouch wrote: On March 17 2013 08:38 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Eh no sense in defending him marv. Yamato is a big boy and can defend himself. I think he's town too, but he's posting far less than I'd like him to. Haven't you figured out this isn't marv yet? Marv hasn't posted since like 8am this morning. Anyways, I'm not particularly trying to defend yamato. I'm explaining my read because I feel it is damn good reasoning and if someone wants me to think about Promato maybe being scum, they need to have some equally good reasoning. Wait what? You do a good preachy marv impression =/ Not an impression. That's how I generally post as well once I get into my groove. Notice the distinct lack of any dears. | ||
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On March 17 2013 10:45 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 10:43 Hapahauli wrote: On March 17 2013 10:42 DrParnassus wrote: EBWOP The claim would be more convincing if they had not said it was an accidental slip. The tone of the claim post is clearly something like "DON'T LYNCH ME I'M A POWER ROLE YOU ASSHOLE." Which means the blue claim was intentional, and not a slip. Which means that they're lying about how the claim occurred, which imo was caused by them seeing iamp's negative reaction to the claim. Idunno. I mean he's scum for a lot of other reasons, but I can totally see a blue-role doing that. Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote: On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote: On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote: Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler + the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? do you think this looks like a follow up post for somebody who accidentally blue-slipped? where is the emotion, the "oh shit i dun goofed" ? Is this Oats or thrawn? | ||
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On March 17 2013 10:54 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 10:52 FiveTouch wrote: On March 17 2013 10:45 DrParnassus wrote: On March 17 2013 10:43 Hapahauli wrote: On March 17 2013 10:42 DrParnassus wrote: EBWOP The claim would be more convincing if they had not said it was an accidental slip. The tone of the claim post is clearly something like "DON'T LYNCH ME I'M A POWER ROLE YOU ASSHOLE." Which means the blue claim was intentional, and not a slip. Which means that they're lying about how the claim occurred, which imo was caused by them seeing iamp's negative reaction to the claim. Idunno. I mean he's scum for a lot of other reasons, but I can totally see a blue-role doing that. On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote: On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote: On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote: Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler + the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? do you think this looks like a follow up post for somebody who accidentally blue-slipped? where is the emotion, the "oh shit i dun goofed" ? Is this Oats or thrawn? thrawn Oh. Blah. Anyways, I was going to relate a story that Oats experienced if it was him. In Chrono, on day 1, I let slip something about my role that was extra information that by all rights I shouldn't have known. Not exactly a "blue slip", but I didn't go bitching and moaning about "aw I dun goofed" in the thread or anything. I explained what I meant, and moved on. I don't think their lack of...whatever you want to call it makes them scum, because i know I reacted in a similar way as town. I'm not saying I believe the claim (I don't, right now), but at this point it isn't completely outside the realm of possibility. A town ObliviousEyes is. | ||
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On March 17 2013 11:45 TLCastingGolems wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 11:39 FiveTouch wrote: The point is, ObsQT just posted about how you played in LX, making cases on multiple Toms, Dicks, and Harrys. In this game, you haven't given a solid reason to be suspicious of ANYONE. What gives? *shrug* it's different playing as a hydra. My contribution level probably looks less than it feels because of how much me and him were collaborating early on. You never answered me before, it might have been lost in my post. What do you think of Moology? I didn't answer you because it was a dumb question. I've made it abundantly clear what my stance on Moology is. Why are you not reading the thread? What is *YOUR* stance on Moology, since you haven't given an opinion on him? | ||
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On March 17 2013 11:52 TLCastingGolems wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 11:50 FiveTouch wrote: On March 17 2013 11:45 TLCastingGolems wrote: On March 17 2013 11:39 FiveTouch wrote: The point is, ObsQT just posted about how you played in LX, making cases on multiple Toms, Dicks, and Harrys. In this game, you haven't given a solid reason to be suspicious of ANYONE. What gives? *shrug* it's different playing as a hydra. My contribution level probably looks less than it feels because of how much me and him were collaborating early on. You never answered me before, it might have been lost in my post. What do you think of Moology? I didn't answer you because it was a dumb question. I've made it abundantly clear what my stance on Moology is. Why are you not reading the thread? What is *YOUR* stance on Moology, since you haven't given an opinion on him? If it was abundantly clear, I wouldn't be asking. I looked through, but can't find it. Please reiterate. (apparently, it's ok for you guys to force me to repeat myself, but it's not ok for me to ask a question) I find it hard to believe you actually looked. It's right in our end-of-night reads post. On March 16 2013 07:59 FiveTouch wrote: Moology - Kei and I had some disagreements about this originally, but I'm fairly convinced Moology is town. Mocsta was arguing with the Dr. earlier in the thread, but took the opportunity to abandon the argument. Mocsta, as mafia, LOVES these arguments. He'll literally go at it for pages and pages, but here he didn't. In addition to this, his posts feel sincere, I can follow his thought process, his suspicions, and he seems to be genuinely trying to figure things out. | ||
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On March 17 2013 12:39 TLCastingGolems wrote: Alright it's me again ladies. What a shit-show this has become. You guys as a town are just completely tunneling us without ever considering absolutely anything else, and so you guys are going to fuck the whole town over as a result. You've completely lost sight of the rest of the game because you think you have it solved but YOU'RE WRONG. Your confirmation bias is blinding you to any other possibilities. Nothing we will ever give you is going to be good enough as Soniv seems to have displayed thus far, and we're in danger of losing sight of the one seemingly sure scumread we as a town have despite the fact HE HASN'T EVEN BEEN AROUND ALL FUCKING DAY. At this point I think Soniv has the right idea; I would love to entertain you guys further if anything I said or did got you onto the right track, but it WON'T. Therefore, keeping silent makes more sense because maybe you guys will be forced to turn attention elsewhere and save a mislynch. We are completely on board for lynching OE today. If we survive the night (which will only happen if you guys are fucking stupid and let mafia think you're killing us tomorrow) then maybe we can somehow continue the discourse. What the hells is this? First off, there are plenty of ways you guys survive the night. 1) You're scum. Obviously you survive the night. 2) Scum have a roleblocker. Then they can kill someone else and just roleblock you and it doesn't matter. 3) Scum don't have a roleblocker, but still think you will be lynched tomorrow and they take a risk that you really are jailkeeper and don't block their shot in one way or the other. But, for the most important part: Shouldn't you, as a jailkeeper, *WANT* to survive until tomorrow? So then, why would it be "fucking stupid" of us as a town to be suspicious of you enough that you survive until tomorrow? It would be in your best interest as a town JK to survive as long as possible. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:15 TLCastingGolems wrote: Alright, I've tried. Newbie your scumhunting is relentless, to the point of absolute obstinacy towards us, yet you flip off of Promato directly after calling him scum once Yamato brings up his only solid case all game is worrisome. You appear to be so good at digging through old games, filters and posts to find exactly what you need, and much of is legitimately good, but simply the fact that you appear to be so bullishly opposed to the idea that we are town since basically THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME when you first got annoyed with our style just doesn't allow me to view you as town yet. You are null to me, leaning town because there are a lot of things in your filter that honestly seem like too much effort to go through if you were scum. You're constantly pressuring in places that require pressure at many right points in time, yet you also devote much of your time to discussing lurkers like us, WittyHydraName and Dirk, all of which are town. There is too much dichotomy to give me a clear town read. Now, is it POSSIBLE to entertain the discussion elsewhere so that I may feel like I can contribute positively rather than continue to defend myself to no end? Fuck, lynch us after OE if you must but at least try to consider other points of you so that you might fucking LEARN something when we die. So why do you have a town read on me if I've done everything you just said keeps you from giving a town read to ObsQT? What is different about us? | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:41 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 14:38 Promato wrote: Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game? From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious. yeah i do actually. I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling. You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread. I'm all for people giving me townreads, but not for terrible reasons. My play in Dueling had much more to do with just flat not having time. But, even more important, I have another scum game that is viewable in my history and has a much different playstyle. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:48 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 14:44 FiveTouch wrote: On March 17 2013 14:41 DrParnassus wrote: On March 17 2013 14:38 Promato wrote: Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game? From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious. yeah i do actually. I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling. You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread. I'm all for people giving me townreads, but not for terrible reasons. My play in Dueling had much more to do with just flat not having time. But, even more important, I have another scum game that is viewable in my history and has a much different playstyle. eh. the difference is so extreme that i'm willing to stand by that reasoning. i'm not thinking about post quantity, but just things like word usage, mannerisms.... how you talk to your scum reads.... shit like that. Right. My point was, did you compare my town play to my GSL 1 scum play, or just my Big Enough scum play? Because they are extremely different. (To be perfectly fair, my GSL 1 scum play is still different than my *recent* town play, just because I've gotten more confident/arrogant/comfortable around TL. But, my current town play is quite different from my other town play around the time of GSL 1 too ) | ||
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On March 17 2013 15:25 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 15:02 FiveTouch wrote: On March 17 2013 14:48 DrParnassus wrote: On March 17 2013 14:44 FiveTouch wrote: On March 17 2013 14:41 DrParnassus wrote: On March 17 2013 14:38 Promato wrote: Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game? From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious. yeah i do actually. I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling. You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread. I'm all for people giving me townreads, but not for terrible reasons. My play in Dueling had much more to do with just flat not having time. But, even more important, I have another scum game that is viewable in my history and has a much different playstyle. eh. the difference is so extreme that i'm willing to stand by that reasoning. i'm not thinking about post quantity, but just things like word usage, mannerisms.... how you talk to your scum reads.... shit like that. Right. My point was, did you compare my town play to my GSL 1 scum play, or just my Big Enough scum play? Because they are extremely different. (To be perfectly fair, my GSL 1 scum play is still different than my *recent* town play, just because I've gotten more confident/arrogant/comfortable around TL. But, my current town play is quite different from my other town play around the time of GSL 1 too ) asdkgasldgn there are other reasons for my read, and i've given them (things like you and hapa being two people who have lept scumhunting and are being open to all possibilities without being pressured to do so) this convo is kinda dumb (we're arguing about how i shouldn't have such a strong town read on you) and i don't really care to expound upon why I feel that you're town atm. tldr: lol We're having this conversation because I've caught a couple scum in the past for giving me bullshit town reads | ||
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On March 18 2013 06:01 DrParnassus wrote: ##FOS: scummy lurker hosts I could get behind this. | ||
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On March 18 2013 07:34 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 07:01 FiveTouch wrote: On March 18 2013 06:01 DrParnassus wrote: ##FOS: scummy lurker hosts I could get behind this. ##Unvote ##Vote: fivetouch for blatant sheeping also because a vote for myself is a wasted vote... or something Bollocks. This kind of attitude really chaps my arse. | ||
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I'm thinking we should do some sort of full roleclaim tomorrow. i'll explain more later closer to the deadline | ||
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i feel this game should be at least partially solveable given what we know and stuff. I'll actually read the thread and get back to you guys once i've thought about it and talked to kei. The jailkeeper claim is really really dodgy. | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:05 FiveTouch wrote: Or you can count the mislynches/lynches and work out you're talking bollocks ~marv By this, he means we only have 1 mislynch left, not 2. | ||
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Are NKs factional, or carried out by a specific player? IE, can a jail keeper stop a NK offensively? | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:44 DrParnassus wrote: whatever. lets just go along with the plan. i don't think there's much of a need for either newbieobs/FT/myself to really say anything for the rest of the game. everyone else can battle it out to prove who is town. moology/promato/golems are the chosen ones this is lazy and I'm not lazy despite not having read the last 15 pages of the game. there should be some correct answer and hopefully i will provide it. ~marv | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:12 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 10:09 FiveTouch wrote: for example why are you saying Promato are battling it out to prove they are town when they put suspicion on OE before I did (even though I thought OE was mafia by then :p) that's the only significant thing he's done the entire game ... more significant than anything you've done this game... | ||
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(Also, it's pretty strange how both of you were so sure that golems was lying 24 hours ago, but now you're more interested in each other. What changed?) | ||
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On March 18 2013 12:52 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 12:47 Promato wrote: On March 18 2013 12:39 FiveTouch wrote: I think you guys should fight about it. (Also, it's pretty strange how both of you were so sure that golems was lying 24 hours ago, but now you're more interested in each other. What changed?) wat? I never thought the golems were lying. I've had them as town since day one. Yeah.. so you guys bussed VE who conveniently doesnt post in this thread again, but is active in his other game & *knew* golems are town lol.... yeah, *thats* what i call a slip How the fuck is that a scum slip? Rofl. | ||
FiveTouch
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On March 18 2013 13:05 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 13:03 FiveTouch wrote: On March 18 2013 12:52 Moology wrote: On March 18 2013 12:47 Promato wrote: On March 18 2013 12:39 FiveTouch wrote: I think you guys should fight about it. (Also, it's pretty strange how both of you were so sure that golems was lying 24 hours ago, but now you're more interested in each other. What changed?) wat? I never thought the golems were lying. I've had them as town since day one. Yeah.. so you guys bussed VE who conveniently doesnt post in this thread again, but is active in his other game & *knew* golems are town lol.... yeah, *thats* what i call a slip How the fuck is that a scum slip? Rofl. The point was, it was more of a slip, than what they are trying to fabricate on moology (moc) No it's not. And I'm not even saying that you slipping and saying "frame" instead of "jail" is a scum slip. I don't think it is. But it was at least a slip of the tongue. Nothing about what you quoted could even come close to being a slip. (Although Prom should probably talk to Yamato. Yamato was definitely suspicious of golems last night.) | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:22 GMT
#1005
On March 18 2013 13:21 DrParnassus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 13:20 Moology wrote: On March 18 2013 13:17 DrParnassus wrote: On March 18 2013 13:15 Moology wrote: On March 18 2013 13:12 DrParnassus wrote: On March 18 2013 13:12 Moology wrote: On March 18 2013 13:07 DrParnassus wrote: Moology, you are here. In 5 minutes you better answer whether you are blue or scum. Or I am policy lynching you for withholding information. lol how about insert option #3? What is that option? The game has 3 roles does it not? gnnnh? Explain pl0x 2 words 1st starts with a V 2nd starts with a T fuckn flood cotnrol (moc) Vet? that's not even in the OP Your reading skills are bad. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:24 GMT
#1008
On March 18 2013 13:23 TLCastingGolems wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 13:15 Moology wrote: On March 18 2013 13:08 Promato wrote: Okay mocsta. I say we play a game. You pretend you know I am town and tell me who your next scumspect is. Explain why you suspect that person (hydra) and why they will look scummier after my green flip. In return I won't call you an idiot for the duration of this game. Well the game is solved. castingGolems *are* most likely town. I dont expect scum framer + scum RB'r So they are either scum goon fake claiming (plausible due to VE lynch, but unlikely) or actual blue role (most likely). I know my role.. and i know my interactions with ppl like FT/Dr.P went someway to divining all our alignments as town.. so that leaves you as the lowest hanging fruit; in short: I cant play along because I can't envisage a different scenario. (moc) How exactly is that even plausible? Newbie WAS roleblocked. If we were a goon that would not have happened. If we were goon fakeclaiming RB or JK then why no counterclaim JK, making it easy as fuck to catch us in a lie and lynch? Err what? How do you know they were roleblocked? | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:25 GMT
#1010
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:29 GMT
#1016
On March 18 2013 13:28 Promato wrote: ...why, did you not read your role pm? This. This is exactly what I was getting at. In the OP it gives the exact JK role PM. And in that PM, it says that targets are not notified that they are roleblocked. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:35 GMT
#1024
On March 18 2013 13:31 TLCastingGolems wrote: Lol I'm pretty sure I read JK and Soniv and I got really excited that we weren't VT for once. Whatever, if DrH can go an entire game (LX) without reading any of the fucking roles and still play, be town and look scummy as fuck for not reading, then I'm allowed to not remember/read the entirety of mine. Either way, proof or not, this doesn't change what happens tonight. It doesn't work like that. Someone else being bad doesn't excuse you being bad. I mean, by that logic, you could literally do ANYTHING and it would never point to you being scum or town. Or hell, even apply to outside the game. "Bonnie and Clyde got away with robbing banks for X years, so I can too!" No. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:46 GMT
#1029
Everyone seems to not like my reasoning, but I went back and looked through a few of Yamato/Prom's scum games. I never saw anything similar to yamato's un-provoked read swap. And, on top of that, marv and I together (with something like 40+ games of experience between us) can remember a single instance of a scum reach change like that for absolutely no reason. Much less in the face of EXTRA reasoning. Combine that with pushing a damn good reason that VE was scum, and I just don't see it. I'll talk with marv more about it tomorrow before the deadline, though. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:46 GMT
#1031
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:55 GMT
#1035
On March 18 2013 13:48 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 13:46 FiveTouch wrote: Anyways, Promato is still the strongest of my town reads between Prom/Moology/Golems. Everyone seems to not like my reasoning, but I went back and looked through a few of Yamato/Prom's scum games. I never saw anything similar to yamato's un-provoked read swap. And, on top of that, marv and I together (with something like 40+ games of experience between us) can remember a single instance of a scum reach change like that for absolutely no reason. Much less in the face of EXTRA reasoning. Combine that with pushing a damn good reason that VE was scum, and I just don't see it. I'll talk with marv more about it tomorrow before the deadline, though. Sure but i dont think u guys give yourself enough credit for the fear you could invoke in scum. I mean think about it.. scum woulda knoew hardpec were town; so 2 supervet teams are town against VE; how does it make sense for balance for VE/OO to be paired with another newbie-ish team like casting or moology? Prome/VE at least offers some threat to palmar/marv (moc) That's idiotic reasoning and I will never make a read based on that. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 05:31 GMT
#1040
I want you to walk me through your sudden scum read of VE. I'm looking back through your filter, and you didn't mention VE even once until your "last will" post, and then it was just a "meh, he's not being very active". But the Dirk flip suddenly painted a big read target onto VE for you. Why exactly? You said that a newbie wouldn't have killed Dirk, so it was probably one of the more "vet'ish" players. So, why not me/marv, whom you had actually been suspcious throughout the day? Hell, looking back, I don't even see any reason that you dropped the suspicion of us. The only thing I can think of is that thread sentiment started painting us as town, so you quit pursuing your suspicions. But, there's still Hapa too. Why wouldn't Hapa/iamp have made that kill? They've both been around TL for 8-9 months and are quite familiar with Palmar/bugs. Or hell, even Soniv (who, while IMO is not the best player around, he's still been around for a very long time and should know the reputations of bugs/palmar/marv/ve etc)? Basically, you're reasoning is bad because there aren't really very many "newbies" in this game. Your team is by far the newest players, and maybe Thrawn/Oats being second. But even thrawn has been around in a while. So explain why that single event suddenly made VE 100% scum instead of anyone else? | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 05:45 GMT
#1044
On March 18 2013 14:43 TLCastingGolems wrote: They both very well could still be. Prom still looks scummy for not even attempting to defend himself at this point and is still content to decide that his one contribution to the game 'nailing VE' is enough and now he can sit back and relax and anyone who decides that this isn't good enough can go fuck themselves. Moology looking real hard for a way to pin this on either myself or Prom. "Nailing VE" is quite a big deal, though. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 05:51 GMT
#1047
On March 18 2013 14:47 TLCastingGolems wrote: I'm still not sure I understand how this is solved exactly though. If there is a scum RB along with our RB, is there a way for them to prevent our RB and kill us? I don't know if I understand how the resolution of night roles works. It really depends on how the hosts handle roleblocks. Different hosts handle them in different ways. But you're right, there are some ways that the game isn't virtually solved if roleblocks are handled in certain ways. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 06:14 GMT
#1052
I'm not talking about what you said recently. I'm talking specifically about what you were saying around the end of night 1/ start of day 2. The only thing that took VE from a very weak "I'm only throwing him in here because he hasn't been very active" read in your Last Will post, to being sure he was scum was "the Dirk NK doesn't make sense fr anyone but VE". Those are exact thoughts from your filter, and I just don't see that making sense. Also, it is very specifically in your filter that you didn't think the dirk NK could have come from Hapa. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 11:53 GMT
#1061
On March 18 2013 14:46 TLCastingGolems wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 14:45 FiveTouch wrote: On March 18 2013 14:43 TLCastingGolems wrote: They both very well could still be. Prom still looks scummy for not even attempting to defend himself at this point and is still content to decide that his one contribution to the game 'nailing VE' is enough and now he can sit back and relax and anyone who decides that this isn't good enough can go fuck themselves. Moology looking real hard for a way to pin this on either myself or Prom. "Nailing VE" is quite a big deal, though. Not if it's a double-bus, which is the whole reason there is even suspicion on Prom in the first place. why would you bus your partner when he's under no pressure from anyone else whatsoever? everyone else was giving him townreads at the time, go back and look at how night 1 unfolded. ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 12:58 GMT
#1062
On March 18 2013 08:34 FiveTouch wrote: my case too good. yo. i feel this game should be at least partially solveable given what we know and stuff. I'll actually read the thread and get back to you guys once i've thought about it and talked to kei. The jailkeeper claim is really really dodgy. Replying to myself to ensure intelligent conversation :D In all seriousness, while I don't like the JK claim, it seems an extraordinarily risky play for mafia to make, especially in a small setup where being counterclaimed means doom. ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 13:58 GMT
#1064
On March 18 2013 22:56 TLCastingGolems wrote: I have no idea what that shit from Moology was supposed to be. Marv, you find it ok to consider that we're scum and faking the JK claim even though its incredibly risky yet you don't want to believe that the mafia are performing another incredibly risky play in double-bus? You misunderstand my last post; it was saying that I find it very unlikely for you to be mafia fakeclaiming for the reasons I said. Bussing your only partner in a 2-scum game when they're under no pressure - I've never seen this before and I have no reason to believe it is the case. ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 14:06 GMT
#1066
On March 18 2013 23:04 TLCastingGolems wrote: Well then think about it from our perspective if we're town. If you're assuming that you Parn and Newbie are all confirmed town, then what does that leave us with? Are you absolutely certain that Moology is scum? I've not (re)read anything yet, but it seems likely. Kei and I caught up briefly last night and he said while he was worried about Newbie's activity, Hapa was still feeling town for him. I plan to look at the evolution of Moology's OE read this evening; I think my meta metric for deciding whether Mocsta is mafia (argumentative to a tee) is out of date as he matures his game. ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 14:25 GMT
#1068
On March 18 2013 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 23:06 FiveTouch wrote: On March 18 2013 23:04 TLCastingGolems wrote: Well then think about it from our perspective if we're town. If you're assuming that you Parn and Newbie are all confirmed town, then what does that leave us with? Are you absolutely certain that Moology is scum? I've not (re)read anything yet, but it seems likely. Kei and I caught up briefly last night and he said while he was worried about Newbie's activity, Hapa was still feeling town for him. I plan to look at the evolution of Moology's OE read this evening; I think my meta metric for deciding whether Mocsta is mafia (argumentative to a tee) is out of date as he matures his game. ~marv Did you read the start? Or not? + Show Spoiler + gonna quote for filter whenever I want to I've still not really read Day 2, but I've read everything else. I'm actually filtering Moology at the moment because I'm impatient and I want to know what I think. I'll probably also look at newbie_QT as well. ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 14:27 GMT
#1070
On March 18 2013 23:25 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 23:06 FiveTouch wrote: I plan to look at the evolution of Moology's OE read this evening; I think my meta metric for deciding whether Mocsta is mafia (argumentative to a tee) is out of date as he matures his game. ~marv Hopefully like a fine wine, instead of a silicon implant Omni has a present for you later on.. i dont want to spoil it.. fact was.. we were saving this present for tomorrow as i didnt think it was necessary.. but.. omni in his newbie wisdom wanted to unleash total pwnage tonight.. guessing cos he sick of infested terrans fuming around in his house. hint: Neutral Surviving Balrog is the theme. P.S. as I keep telling everyone.. my activity isnt determined by alignment. Im just busy with work and HotS, + last mafia game burnt me out; 26 page filter for a loss to bartender this is my last game for a few weeks Lets give thrawn that final win. GO TOWN!! The sooner the better, I don't like basing my reads on incomplete information when the information can simply be given to me. ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 14:32 GMT
#1075
On March 18 2013 23:28 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 23:27 FiveTouch wrote: On March 18 2013 23:25 Moology wrote: On March 18 2013 23:06 FiveTouch wrote: I plan to look at the evolution of Moology's OE read this evening; I think my meta metric for deciding whether Mocsta is mafia (argumentative to a tee) is out of date as he matures his game. ~marv Hopefully like a fine wine, instead of a silicon implant Omni has a present for you later on.. i dont want to spoil it.. fact was.. we were saving this present for tomorrow as i didnt think it was necessary.. but.. omni in his newbie wisdom wanted to unleash total pwnage tonight.. guessing cos he sick of infested terrans fuming around in his house. hint: Neutral Surviving Balrog is the theme. P.S. as I keep telling everyone.. my activity isnt determined by alignment. Im just busy with work and HotS, + last mafia game burnt me out; 26 page filter for a loss to bartender this is my last game for a few weeks Lets give thrawn that final win. GO TOWN!! The sooner the better, I don't like basing my reads on incomplete information when the information can simply be given to me. ~marv Well im 100% against it.. frankly I think it would come together much more Day 3.. but whatevs i cant force Omni to not post; he basically said he gonna post it when im asleep lol so i dont rage at him in the QT (moc) Given there's a decent chance I'll be dead by tomorrow, I'd like to be given the chance to process any information in this night phase. I know you've kinda talked about it before but I'd like you to talk about the evolution of your OE read. At the end of Night 1 he wasn't even in your top 4 in terms of interest, and yet as soon as Day started you sheeped me immediately on to him. Promato and Dirk were your top reads, and yet all of a sudden you were siding with Promato against OE. Why? ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 14:34 GMT
#1077
On March 18 2013 09:41 Moology wrote: Right because in a 9 player game, Moology are one of the first to hard bus VE? Being the first vote, gives the option to walk away. Our vote essentially sealed the vote of SCUM... now you want to twist that as a scum move.. LOL.. nice try Prome This is a terrible post. I (with Kei's help of course) made a detailed and excellent case against OE, so barring something quite amazing from someone else, OE was getting lynched. It didn't need your vote in the slightest. ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 14:36 GMT
#1079
On March 18 2013 23:34 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 08:54 Moology wrote: What the fuck... ##Vote: ObliviousEyes With Dirk's death that really puts me off on calling Newbie scum. He should know that once Dirk is gone he's next in a lot of peoples minds. It doesn't make sense. OE looks like a good candidate and I'm starting to really want to hear from Golems again. marv why would he give up on suspicion of us here though. Seems weird for a scum to do iamp The suspicion was dropped for a terrible reason, and as per my last post, it takes a massive act of will from anybody to resist a beautiful marv-case. I mean I've honestly not read Day 2 yet, but was there ever even a chance OE wasn't getting lynched? Mafia gotta bus that shit as soon as possible. ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 14:38 GMT
#1081
On March 18 2013 23:37 Promato wrote: marv stop stealing my credit. (Yam's credit) I'm still putting him up for most improved player. You said one game wasn't enough ? How about three? He rocked scum in nomination, in duel and now here. Yam was the first to post the case on VE and even when we aren't posting much we were going to get that lynch through. We're both loud enough when we need to be to lynch whomever needs to be lynched. Don't pretend like his fate was anything but sealed since our case on him. Its cute how moo wants the credit too though, its so sweet how he wants to grow up to be me. I'm not stealing anyone's credit, you guys vaguely ranted about OE being mafia and everyone ignored you and found you the more suspicious. This is plain to see from reading the thread. It was my case that sealed OE's fate. I mean, hurray for you catching OE and all that, well done, bla bla bla, but it's not really the point. ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 14:44 GMT
#1087
On March 18 2013 23:39 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 23:32 FiveTouch wrote: On March 18 2013 23:28 Moology wrote: On March 18 2013 23:27 FiveTouch wrote: On March 18 2013 23:25 Moology wrote: On March 18 2013 23:06 FiveTouch wrote: I plan to look at the evolution of Moology's OE read this evening; I think my meta metric for deciding whether Mocsta is mafia (argumentative to a tee) is out of date as he matures his game. ~marv Hopefully like a fine wine, instead of a silicon implant Omni has a present for you later on.. i dont want to spoil it.. fact was.. we were saving this present for tomorrow as i didnt think it was necessary.. but.. omni in his newbie wisdom wanted to unleash total pwnage tonight.. guessing cos he sick of infested terrans fuming around in his house. hint: Neutral Surviving Balrog is the theme. P.S. as I keep telling everyone.. my activity isnt determined by alignment. Im just busy with work and HotS, + last mafia game burnt me out; 26 page filter for a loss to bartender this is my last game for a few weeks Lets give thrawn that final win. GO TOWN!! The sooner the better, I don't like basing my reads on incomplete information when the information can simply be given to me. ~marv Well im 100% against it.. frankly I think it would come together much more Day 3.. but whatevs i cant force Omni to not post; he basically said he gonna post it when im asleep lol so i dont rage at him in the QT (moc) Given there's a decent chance I'll be dead by tomorrow, I'd like to be given the chance to process any information in this night phase. I know you've kinda talked about it before but I'd like you to talk about the evolution of your OE read. At the end of Night 1 he wasn't even in your top 4 in terms of interest, and yet as soon as Day started you sheeped me immediately on to him. Promato and Dirk were your top reads, and yet all of a sudden you were siding with Promato against OE. Why? ~marv The last will was "MY" last will.. nothing to do with Omni. (Thought it was clear with the bold font) When the NK happened, i wasnt even around all those posts were from Mr. Omni.. henceforth why I suggested to Kei to request Omni to explain his thought process. But as for my read on VE... I got a fair idea of his current town play.. and i just get a vibe from him when he is scum.. just like in Mafia LIX gonzaw smooth talked me into giving him my mayor vote.. i just get the same greasiness from a scum VE.. cept now I know to reverse how I feel, and hey presto. i got scum.. its not specific quotes for me.. its a gut feeling that makes me want to like him. I was pretty content witht he vote on him; and then analyse what he did under the pressure... the response of "nothing" made it clear to me he was scum and i guess couldnt be fucked anymore. I dont blame that. its a small setup; good players.. stuck with a newbie.. why bother? For me.. even though I dont care too much about this game.. i havent been mislynched before.. and dotn want to be mislynched now.. so trying to beef up the effort more and become motivated cos yes, we became complacent when we became confident VE was scum. I can admit that. (moc) Ok I'll have to re-read and see what Omni said about things. I assume Golems is your last read for mafia. Based on the Jailkeeper claim? Other stuff too? ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 14:49 GMT
#1092
On March 18 2013 23:47 Promato wrote: Because the game is won. We lynch moo and we win. I'm in post game mode. Its not town cred its I'm deeply impressed by Yamato. Dude is seriously good (which is awesome, like two months ago he was looking at my filter in Dessert and calling me obv scum). Look, I believe that Moo scumcslipped. I believe that his interactions with and reads on VE/OO make it very obvious he is scum. I cannot be fucked to prove it to you when it is obvious. I am not in the mood to show you why my reads are better than yours. I've told you my reads and you get to sheep me. Later you can thank me(this slot) for catching both scum. Fuck this attitude. Seriously. I hope to never have to play with you again if you're going to think like that. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 14:54 GMT
#1097
On March 18 2013 23:52 Promato wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 23:49 FiveTouch wrote: On March 18 2013 23:47 Promato wrote: Because the game is won. We lynch moo and we win. I'm in post game mode. Its not town cred its I'm deeply impressed by Yamato. Dude is seriously good (which is awesome, like two months ago he was looking at my filter in Dessert and calling me obv scum). Look, I believe that Moo scumcslipped. I believe that his interactions with and reads on VE/OO make it very obvious he is scum. I cannot be fucked to prove it to you when it is obvious. I am not in the mood to show you why my reads are better than yours. I've told you my reads and you get to sheep me. Later you can thank me(this slot) for catching both scum. Fuck this attitude. Seriously. I hope to never have to play with you again if you're going to think like that. Why would me making a big ole public relations post proving why Moo is scum be better? I've shown it to be true to myself. I've pointed out some key reasons. I don't need to dress it up in pretty colours or nice formatting. Each and every player can go and reread and figure it out for themselves. Its obvious. Just sheep me to victory. Lynch Moo. No. And quit being a fucking liability and do your job if you are a townie. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 14:59 GMT
#1103
On March 18 2013 23:55 Promato wrote: I'm not and I did. If you are going to refuse to play the game, then I AM going to lynch you. This is by far the most anti-town thing in the thread. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:02 GMT
#1106
~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:07 GMT
#1108
Town will, however, go along with me if I give them a case to believe in. ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:09 GMT
#1109
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:18 GMT
#1112
On March 19 2013 00:14 Promato wrote: Okay, so you agree that making a case is useless. Either people will or will not sheep me. If they will sheep me they will do it without the case. If they won't sheep me they can go and reread the damn thread and figure it out for themselves. If you want to make the PR piece and herd the little sheeps you are welcome to. I don't have the energy to force townies to see scum when I've already shown them how and why someone is scum. Either vote Moo because he is scum or don't vote moo because you are wrong. Those are your options. I'm not in the mood to be liked. I'm in the mood to win this game and maybe go get drunk and fight someone. being likable isn't necessary really, people need to vote with me to kill scum, they don't need to want to come to a hug party or some hippie love-in with em. The point is, no-one will vote with you. They will vote with me, though. ~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:22 GMT
#1114
On March 19 2013 00:04 Promato wrote: Why did you change your read on me so fast, hmm? I was totes town two minute ago. Now you will lynch me. Do explain. I never said you were 100% town. In fact, I've always said I would reevalutate if I needed to. I said, out of the 3 people I think who could possibly be scum, that you were the towniest of my reads. But, 1) I don't think a bus is entirely impossible, especially in this setup where it is extra strong if you can put it off long enough to have a reason to survive NKs. Hell, I *TRIED* to bus my teammate in GSL 1. 2) You haven't given a fuck about this game. and 3) You're more worried about having town cred or some bullshit than you are about making sure town wins the game. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:28 GMT
#1117
~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:31 GMT
#1119
On March 19 2013 00:22 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2013 00:04 Promato wrote: Why did you change your read on me so fast, hmm? I was totes town two minute ago. Now you will lynch me. Do explain. I never said you were 100% town. In fact, I've always said I would reevalutate if I needed to. I said, out of the 3 people I think who could possibly be scum, that you were the towniest of my reads. But, 1) I don't think a bus is entirely impossible, especially in this setup where it is extra strong if you can put it off long enough to have a reason to survive NKs. Hell, I *TRIED* to bus my teammate in GSL 1. 2) You haven't given a fuck about this game. and 3) You're more worried about having town cred or some bullshit than you are about making sure town wins the game. ahahaha. I thought of this earlier when I said what I said about bussing. I thought about bringing it up but it seemed sufficiently different so I didn't bother. The main difference being Prom/yam repeatedly engaging me on OE and trying to get me on board, which is a really really dangerous strategy if you're mafia doing some silly bus. ~marv P.S. I realise I am talking to my other half on the same account. :D | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:32 GMT
#1120
On March 19 2013 00:25 Promato wrote: Hapa, hold me accountable to my reads. I am telling you who I think is scum. There are three reasons 1) interactions with VE/OO 2)voting patterns around VE/OO 3)having the heads disagree with each other is an excellent scum strat it means that the slot is not responsible for any mislynch since both heads can blame the other or take credit (this was my plan if we rolled scum) 4)scum slips 5)moo is scum. I guess there are more than three reasons. Sue me. I am giving you my scum read. I have the reasons in my filter. What is it you cannot hold me accountable for? See, you haven't mentioned his interactions with VE/OO or his voting patterns around VE/OO. The only time you even mentioned anything about VE/OO in relation to Moo was when you quoted his last will and said basically "Yea this makes Moo scum". After I had already been talking about the same things, asking questions. You didn't give any thoughts on WHY that made Moo scum. Fuck your attitude. Seriously. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:35 GMT
#1121
On March 19 2013 00:31 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2013 00:22 FiveTouch wrote: On March 19 2013 00:04 Promato wrote: Why did you change your read on me so fast, hmm? I was totes town two minute ago. Now you will lynch me. Do explain. I never said you were 100% town. In fact, I've always said I would reevalutate if I needed to. I said, out of the 3 people I think who could possibly be scum, that you were the towniest of my reads. But, 1) I don't think a bus is entirely impossible, especially in this setup where it is extra strong if you can put it off long enough to have a reason to survive NKs. Hell, I *TRIED* to bus my teammate in GSL 1. 2) You haven't given a fuck about this game. and 3) You're more worried about having town cred or some bullshit than you are about making sure town wins the game. ahahaha. I thought of this earlier when I said what I said about bussing. I thought about bringing it up but it seemed sufficiently different so I didn't bother. The main difference being Prom/yam repeatedly engaging me on OE and trying to get me on board, which is a really really dangerous strategy if you're mafia doing some silly bus. ~marv P.S. I realise I am talking to my other half on the same account. :D But...I repeatedly engaged you with reasoning about why Prplhz was scum, too. The difference was I didn't make my "case" slam-dunk enough that you would over-come your meta-read bias. But I still think a super hard bus in this game type is a strong strategy, so meh. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:42 GMT
#1122
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 19:15 GMT
#1126
~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 19:17 GMT
#1129
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 19:19 GMT
#1131
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 19:22 GMT
#1133
I'm just waiting to see whatever it is this bombshell Omni has. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 20:56 GMT
#1141
On March 19 2013 05:55 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2013 05:54 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 19 2013 05:49 Moology wrote: Does anybody watch hockey? I'm more than willing to discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs on the path to winning the cup this year for the next 2 hours. Alternatively, you can spend the next two hours convincing us why Promato is scum. Because I don't see it at all. Prom isn't scum what are you smoking bro? Because you are? Honestly I had hoped you would put up a fight | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 20:58 GMT
#1145
On March 19 2013 05:57 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2013 05:56 Hapahauli wrote: On March 19 2013 05:55 Moology wrote: On March 19 2013 05:54 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 19 2013 05:49 Moology wrote: Does anybody watch hockey? I'm more than willing to discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs on the path to winning the cup this year for the next 2 hours. Alternatively, you can spend the next two hours convincing us why Promato is scum. Because I don't see it at all. Prom isn't scum what are you smoking bro? Who scum brah? <3 hapa. Wait another 2 hours. Patience my child. What benefit is there to waiting? Give whoever is going to be NK'd tonight time to weigh in on whatever it is you have to say. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 21:03 GMT
#1148
On March 19 2013 06:01 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2013 05:58 FiveTouch wrote: On March 19 2013 05:57 Moology wrote: On March 19 2013 05:56 Hapahauli wrote: On March 19 2013 05:55 Moology wrote: On March 19 2013 05:54 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 19 2013 05:49 Moology wrote: Does anybody watch hockey? I'm more than willing to discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs on the path to winning the cup this year for the next 2 hours. Alternatively, you can spend the next two hours convincing us why Promato is scum. Because I don't see it at all. Prom isn't scum what are you smoking bro? Who scum brah? <3 hapa. Wait another 2 hours. Patience my child. What benefit is there to waiting? Give whoever is going to be NK'd tonight time to weigh in on whatever it is you have to say. nobody is going to be NK'd that is impossible. What point is there to doing anything now? We'd end up waiting around for 2 hours anyway. IT'S CALLED SETTING THE ATMOSPHERE FT! damn flood control lol wat why don't you just spill whatever it is you have to say. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 21:04 GMT
#1149
On March 19 2013 06:01 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2013 05:58 FiveTouch wrote: On March 19 2013 05:57 Moology wrote: On March 19 2013 05:56 Hapahauli wrote: On March 19 2013 05:55 Moology wrote: On March 19 2013 05:54 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: On March 19 2013 05:49 Moology wrote: Does anybody watch hockey? I'm more than willing to discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs on the path to winning the cup this year for the next 2 hours. Alternatively, you can spend the next two hours convincing us why Promato is scum. Because I don't see it at all. Prom isn't scum what are you smoking bro? Who scum brah? <3 hapa. Wait another 2 hours. Patience my child. What benefit is there to waiting? Give whoever is going to be NK'd tonight time to weigh in on whatever it is you have to say. nobody is going to be NK'd that is impossible. What point is there to doing anything now? We'd end up waiting around for 2 hours anyway. IT'S CALLED SETTING THE ATMOSPHERE FT! damn flood control lol So you're going to claim jailkeeper and that you are blocking Golems. Got it. ##Vote: Moology | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 21:14 GMT
#1153
Seriously. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 21:20 GMT
#1156
On March 19 2013 06:18 Moology wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2013 06:14 FiveTouch wrote: Why are people so goddamn frustrating to play with lately? Seriously. probably because you react like this So its "fun" to make people not want to play mafia anymore? Uh, congrats, I guess? | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 21:31 GMT
#1157
~marv | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 23:03 GMT
#1169
##Vote: Moology ##Instantmajority | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 23:04 GMT
#1173
GG. | ||
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