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On March 17 2013 11:14 TLCastingGolems wrote:I find it difficult to believe that "it reminds you" of a game you were no part of. Congrats, you found one of my 2 or 3 scum games ever. Moreover, that was about a year and a half ago. There is no meta there because I have no scum meta. Over the span of 3 years of playing with long breaks sporadically placed, I have played something other than VT so few times. That game was interesting because Palmar rolled over D1 screwing us over. I also didn't have a second head to deal with (haven't ever hydrad before).
Howabout a more recent game then? I've read your filter in Mafia LX as well. You were town, and you had no shortage of post-specific analysis in your filter:
...Case on Veyush
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=51#1013
...On JungeJeorge
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=118#2351
...want me to go on?
Your filter this game is devoid of analysis. Except for maybe your case on Yamato, which you are eschewing in favor of the OE lynch. And you still haven't explained how on earth an OE/Yamato scumteam makes sense.
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Oh that was Wave? Sign yer dang posts =/
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Though if Wave wrote that case and you're not standing by it, then that means you haven't posted a single case all game.
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On March 17 2013 11:37 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 11:28 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Though if Wave wrote that case and you're not standing by it, then that means you haven't posted a single case all game. I'm sorry? It's not that I'm not standing by his case. I believe we are more likely to find scum in OE, but that doesn't mean I disagree with his case.
It has to do with your play in general. In your town games, you aren't afraid to post analysis, build cases... etc. This game is markedly different from any of your town games I've read.
Why the discrepancy?
Furthermore your game is very conceptually similar (lack of analysis, posting, etc) to a scum-game you've played in the past. Your behavior in past games strongly suggests you're scum.
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On March 17 2013 11:45 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 11:39 FiveTouch wrote:
The point is, ObsQT just posted about how you played in LX, making cases on multiple Toms, Dicks, and Harrys. In this game, you haven't given a solid reason to be suspicious of ANYONE. What gives? *shrug* it's different playing as a hydra. My contribution level probably looks less than it feels because of how much me and him were collaborating early on. You never answered me before, it might have been lost in my post. What do you think of Moology?
Why are you asking one of your strongest town reads his opinion on Moology? I should be asking you the same, since I literally have no idea where you stand on most players barring "gut-feeling."
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On March 17 2013 11:51 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 11:49 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 11:45 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 11:39 FiveTouch wrote:
The point is, ObsQT just posted about how you played in LX, making cases on multiple Toms, Dicks, and Harrys. In this game, you haven't given a solid reason to be suspicious of ANYONE. What gives? *shrug* it's different playing as a hydra. My contribution level probably looks less than it feels because of how much me and him were collaborating early on. You never answered me before, it might have been lost in my post. What do you think of Moology? Why are you asking one of your strongest town reads his opinion on Moology? I should be asking you the same, since I literally have no idea where you stand on most players barring "gut-feeling." Yes, he is one of my strongest town reads. That means I can't ask him questions? What the fuck?
Sure you can but it's objectively pointless. Why do you care what one of your town-reads think? You should be mining information from people you don't know anything about.
Take me for example. You apparently have bad vibes about me. You haven't asked me anything. How on earth will you determine my allignment if you don't ask me anything?
Also, what's your stance on Moology, myself, and Yamato? I literally have no idea where you stand on all three of us. You effectively have "gut-null reads" on pretty much all of us.
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Really. All we get is a town-read on Moology. Really?
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So why exactly should we believe your claim when
a) both of you are scummy-lurkers who play nothing like this as town and
b) we have no reason to believe your claim
Also, what's with the whole "OMG TOWN GONNA DIE IF YOU LYNCH US OMGOMG"? It should be really clear that most of the town supports lynching OE first.
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And also if you remain silent, I will straight-up spite lynch you.
I pinkie swear. Don't test me.
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I really don't care about your blue claim. I'm treating it as completely null because there really is no way of verifying if it's true or not.
What I need to do is make reads on your behavior, and as it stands, it doesn't look pretty. Both of you have done nothing but lurk and occasionally respond to stuff when forced by other townies to do so. You've barely posted any analysis, which you do as individual townies in your town games all the time and frequently. Your explanation has been that this is a hydra game and is therefore different, but the fact that you've managed this little despite a collaboration between two normally active townies is scummy as hell.
And now you're threatening to lurk to make you even more impossible to read.
So tell me, how am I supposed to view you? What would you do in my shoes?
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And listen, I'm not even asking for much.
All I've been asking for the last 24 hours is for either of you to go and give me some analysis. Your filter is devoid of any scumhunting. I'm giving you plenty of time to rectify that, and neither of you are willing to put a mediocum of effort towards building a case.
Getting reads out of either of you is like pulling teeth. Do something FFS.
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So lets start with two items:
1) Your top scumreads are ObliviousEyes and Promato. However, Promato was undisputedly the first to put major pressure on OE this game. Do you find it likely that they are a scum-team? If not, who is your 2nd scumread?
2) You apparently have "negative-vibes" about me but have never pointed to anything in my filter to suggest so. Why do you have these vibes? What specifically in my filter is scummy?
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On March 16 2013 07:41 ObliviousEyes wrote:
That's not the implication at all - I was saying that if you're town (as I suspect), then my reasoning for thinking people are scum should outweigh any kind of reasoning for thinking you're town. You're reading intent into my post (you are threatening me) that is not there. You're wrong.
You never commented on ANY of the content in my post. That IS suspicious, but if your read of me is genuine, it's at least understandable. That's why I asked if this shit is for fucking real - because I need to know if you're being fucking dumb or malicious. The fact that you're in here trying to justify that laughably bad post is evidence that it's the former. Now to determine if it's because you're town and actually think I'm scum, or if it's because you're scum trying to discredit me.
Fucking bullshit, I had you guys so firmly green before Prom. I am disappoint.
this was the last post by ve correct everything after was obvious from my understanding right?
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also the two man power trip that is me and hapa will be killing ve no matter what by the way he scum yo.
## unvote
## vote obliviouseyes
at least the casters are somewhat talking so maybe we will see something from them but i still think their orginal scum read on us was bs and pre scripted. but ve dont care about town because he is scum so he should die.
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On March 17 2013 13:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 13:01 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
And listen, I'm not even asking for much.
All I've been asking for the last 24 hours is for either of you to go and give me some analysis. Your filter is devoid of any scumhunting. I'm giving you plenty of time to rectify that, and neither of you are willing to put a mediocum of effort towards building a case.
Getting reads out of either of you is like pulling teeth. Do something FFS. Already did, on Prom and then had to go out for the evening. You didn't like it, and now choose to ignore it. This will be different from any other case I pull out of my ass how?
Well see your entire idea of a Promato/OE scumteam makes no sense... ya know? I've asked you several times to address the fact that Yamato was the first guy to go after OE (and did so hard), yet I've never gotten an answer from either of you.
...and that's it.
Alright Newbie, give me some time as I'm going to have to read the entire thread over to avoid shitposting. I am only doing this because I feel it might finally get the thread moving in a direction other than directly towards us 24 hours a fucking day, and I don't want this town to lose. I'll try to hunt some fucking scum my way, fuck the hydra, because I doubt I could make us look worse at this point.
Yep - work at your own pace. You'll likely not be lynched this cycle anyway with how VE is playing this out, so come back tomorrow with the best you got.
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Yeah basically I hate lurkers. A lot.
Aaaanyway that last post was good. I'm going to let you do more of that, and I won't be attacking you at all for the next 24 hours. Perhaps a question or two if I need clarification or something, but you seem like you are willing to put in the time to scumhunt and I won't interfere with that.
The floor is yours tomorrow, and I want to see where you take it.
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doubles busses are awesome by the way
this witty remark brought to you by iamp
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Yaaaaaay
Anyway food for thought: we have 2 mislynches left normally, but we can game the Jailkeeper claim (regardless of whether it's true or not) to give us a 3rd if we need it. This is how it would work:
Tonight, Golems "JK's" Moology. If there's an NK, Moology (or yamato) is confirmed town. Even if the JK claim is fake, Moology would still be confirmed town (by virtue of Golems being scum), letting us lynch into Yamato and Golems over the next two days. If there's no NK, it's non-allignment indicative (since scum could not use their night-kill to throw off town), and we lynch one of Moology/Yamato. For the sake of the example, we'll lynch Yamato.
The next night, Golem's "JK's" Moology again. If there's a NK, Moology is confirmed town and we lynch golems. If there's no NK, we lynch one of Moology/Golems, HOWEVER since mafia didn't NK two nights in a row, giving us an extra mislynch before lylo.
so tl;dr
We can lynch moology/golems/yamato guarenteed
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On March 18 2013 12:13 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:12 DrParnassus wrote:On March 18 2013 10:09 FiveTouch wrote:
for example why are you saying Promato are battling it out to prove they are town when they put suspicion on OE before I did (even though I thought OE was mafia by then :p) that's the only significant thing he's done the entire game I'm sorry that catching scum was the only thing we contributed. I'll try to do better in the future. + Show Spoiler +Go fuck yourself Thrawn, I'm better than you. My partner is better than your partner. We caught scum. You are lucky I'm good at reading you because your play here is so bad I want to call you scum. Pretty sure you aren't though. P
your anger flows from the darkside
them being blatantly town is useful skill to have.
dont understand why your so angry. WE DID LYNCH SCUM AFTER ALL
iamp
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