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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:35 GMT
#1121
On March 19 2013 00:31 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 00:22 FiveTouch wrote:
On March 19 2013 00:04 Promato wrote:
Why did you change your read on me so fast, hmm? I was totes town two minute ago. Now you will lynch me. Do explain.

I never said you were 100% town. In fact, I've always said I would reevalutate if I needed to. I said, out of the 3 people I think who could possibly be scum, that you were the towniest of my reads.

But, 1) I don't think a bus is entirely impossible, especially in this setup where it is extra strong if you can put it off long enough to have a reason to survive NKs. Hell, I *TRIED* to bus my teammate in GSL 1.

2) You haven't given a fuck about this game.

and 3) You're more worried about having town cred or some bullshit than you are about making sure town wins the game.


ahahaha. I thought of this earlier when I said what I said about bussing. I thought about bringing it up but it seemed sufficiently different so I didn't bother.

The main difference being Prom/yam repeatedly engaging me on OE and trying to get me on board, which is a really really dangerous strategy if you're mafia doing some silly bus.

~marv

P.S. I realise I am talking to my other half on the same account. :D

But...I repeatedly engaged you with reasoning about why Prplhz was scum, too. The difference was I didn't make my "case" slam-dunk enough that you would over-come your meta-read bias.

But I still think a super hard bus in this game type is a strong strategy, so meh.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 15:42 GMT
#1122
Can you get on irc so we don't have this ridiculous conversation with each other in-thread?
Artanis & marv
Promato
Profile Joined March 2013
92 Posts
March 18 2013 18:58 GMT
#1123
Oh, I guess Yam and I talked that out in private. I thought there was more of that in the thread but its mostly in our heads and a bit in our qt. Sorry about that, I was being more of a dick than necessary because I thought people were ignoring my/our points. I'm an idiot.

Okay so:
1) + Show Spoiler [Interactions between moo and OE] +
On March 15 2013 18:51 Moology wrote:
-snip-

(4 1/2) VE - I am throwing him in purely because hes not as active as I have come to expect from recent town VE + Normally he uimms/ahhs a fuck ton before lynch - and we not getting that this game.

Show nested quote +
Seriously Oats; dont fuckn cock-block me again when trying to pressure someone. Unless they are a fuckn probably town read for you; you have no reason to not be interested in the interaction. And so far, you have shown nothing that indicates Hardpec is a probably town read for you.

==============

This is probably going to be my last post for the cycle. Going out tonight, and deadline is 7am on a Saturday => i will miss it.

(moc)


yeah so as I pointed out earlier this is Moc taking a scummy-ass out at interaction with his scum buddy. He calls out his buddy but does nothing to push it or even make it seem as if he wants to vote VE, he is setting himself up to be able to look good if he needs to.




2)+ Show Spoiler [Voting Patterns and Reads] +
On March 16 2013 08:54 Moology wrote:
What the fuck...

##Vote: ObliviousEyes

With Dirk's death that really puts me off on calling Newbie scum. He should know that once Dirk is gone he's next in a lot of peoples minds. It doesn't make sense. OE looks like a good candidate and I'm starting to really want to hear from Golems again.


Again as Moo sets himself up to look good from an OE flip he says he is looking at the golems again. He is looking to switch his vote and does nothing to work on his read on OE or develop it in any way. This vote is from scum who knows he has to vote his buddy but isn't quite willing to bus hard and early

On March 16 2013 12:27 Moology wrote:
I thought even Mocsta touched on VE's town meta in his case. Personally I (omni) have never played with VE but I worked it out another way for scum VE to still make sense to me without meta, and that was determining that a mafia Newbie would never have made the NK on Dirk and therefore my previous suspicions had been wrong. Obviously wrong about Dirk, and through a town Dirk, probably wrong about Newbie. Rather than knowing how VE plays I tried to use process of elimination and found that I could not eliminate the possibility of a scum ObliviousEyes.

I also think his caps lock contest was really scummy considering how he has been behaving all game up to that point. It comes across to me as being WAY over defensive. People mention he might be scum and he flips out? It's pretty telling behavior. I believe he is scum.

This still leaves us with 1 more candidate though and it's why I said I wanted to hear back from Golems as he was suspected during D1, came back and did what he needed to survive and then left again.

Hope that clears up any confusion about my vote DrP.

Here is OE being apologetic, and nonsensical like the scummer he is, he wants to hear form Golems because 'they were suspected' Note the passive construction of the sentence. OE does not think that Golems are scum. He thinks that they were suspected by townies.

On March 17 2013 08:08 Moology wrote:
Sure thing.

Although Prom hasn't said very much really, Almost less than me. if OE flips scum he'll be town in my book though. No reason for him to start the lynch on OE if they were both mafia. For now he's null. They claimed to be busy and I can understand exactly how much that takes away from being able to post.

DrP is my strongest town read. His back and forth with Mocsta at the very start put him as townie imo. He continues to scum hunt and nearly everything he has said resonates town to me. The constant change in opinion from Thrawn/Oats is a little concerning but at the same time I don't think town really needs to worry about having different opinions where scum would be the ones who need to always be on the same page. Maybe I'm thinking about that wrong but imo it makes sense in a hydra game.

FT is right behind DrP and is also a town read for me. He seemed genuinely upset (and imo mistaken) that people were just going to sheep his vote and stop scum hunting for the rest of the day. Both DrP and FT have made their thoughts on who is town/scum very clear and the reasoning behind it is sound. It's for that reason I thought one of them would have made a good NK target and also why I found it so strange when Golems said he JK'd you (newbie) instead of one of them.

You as well seem town in my book because of the way the Dirk lynch was set up. I can't see you as being scum and basically lining yourself up to be lynched today to get rid of DIRK. If Prom hadn't got on VE's case and called him out / forced him to handle the pressure so poorly I think you would have the majority of votes right now competing with Golems instead of VE. For that reason you are also null - leaning town until the flip of VE.

This is another reason why I want to see VE dead. When he flips scum I can move both yourself and Prom to town and as I know I am town, this only leaves Golems left to be scum.


On March 18 2013 12:30 Moology wrote:
Pfft.. mocsta calls bullshit

As I said before, being the first voter is indicative of nothing. You can move off based on "a better read" at any time.
FT made a pretty detailed case.
Moology essentially sealed the fate for this scum team, & there is no fuckn way im going to let you or anyone else try and twist our vote into a bus. Moology were already suspicious of VE long before anyone made a case.. Its my last will - granted we didnt make a case, but the doubt was already there.

This whole situation reminds me of nomination mafia with Mr.CC.. CC bussed the fuck out of VE; and many refused to vote him (until Yam stepped up to the plate in a big way)..I can definitely see a team such as Promato using this tactic, given yams intimacy with it. Factor in that both posters have not been able to enter the thread as often as they like; and well.. it becomes even more viable to earn free town cred.

All the golems gotta do is frame moology, and QED we confirmed town and this game is one step closer to being solved (i.e. either promato is scum (most likely) or casting golems are scum RBs (less likely)
scum have to shoot this cycle (too many town mislynches to survive through if they try to frame us by not firing)

(moc)


cute contradictions. Someone forgot his fake reads.


3) I have nothing to add to this. Here is a picture of my cat in a box.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


4) as pointed out earlier (and don't tell me that scum slips are not real VE did scum slip earlier in the thread) + Show Spoiler +
On March 18 2013 10:23 Moology wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 10:03 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Ok, so OE died as framer. Cool beans. That means there's probably not a roleblocker.

Any preference to who we jail? (I'm partial to prom myself)

-S4

Frame moology pl0x

Fact is: Both me n Omni have been really busy this game and havent been able to put as much "love" into the game as we hoped.

If this JK goes some way towards proving us confirmed town, Im happy to take the RB. I think we can afford 2 or 3 NKs, so it wont be done in vain.



5) Moo is still scum.
Yamato + Prom hydra for Hydra Mini
Promato
Profile Joined March 2013
92 Posts
March 18 2013 18:58 GMT
#1124
argh. Stupid picture of my cat didn't resize.
Yamato + Prom hydra for Hydra Mini
TLCastingGolems
Profile Joined December 2012
160 Posts
March 18 2013 19:12 GMT
#1125
Your case is good, although I can't necessarily agree with the whole scumslip thing; as will be noted once this game resolves a mistake in speech is sometimes just a mistake and nothing more. (read: half my idiot posts and Soniv's early blue-slip)

-Wave
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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 19:15 GMT
#1126
There we go, Prome ^^ Saves me from having to put in the legwork.

~marv
Artanis & marv
Promato
Profile Joined March 2013
92 Posts
March 18 2013 19:15 GMT
#1127
Awesome. My case is good.

Comment on the reads therein and your take on them. Now.
Yamato + Prom hydra for Hydra Mini
Promato
Profile Joined March 2013
92 Posts
March 18 2013 19:16 GMT
#1128
On March 19 2013 04:15 FiveTouch wrote:
There we go, Prome ^^ Saves me from having to put in the legwork.

~marv


so its sheep time? Sheep time is my favourite time. Also my cat was the most convincing argument; you just can't argue with her cute little eyes.
Yamato + Prom hydra for Hydra Mini
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 19:17 GMT
#1129
Don't ask me about sheep time, I only sheep syllogism ^^
Artanis & marv
Promato
Profile Joined March 2013
92 Posts
March 18 2013 19:19 GMT
#1130
Didn't you know? I am syllogism.

Also you wanna get on this train. You know you do. I'm going to pay attention to this lecture now. You pressure Wave for his response. Thanks.
Yamato + Prom hydra for Hydra Mini
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 19:19 GMT
#1131
I don't really care about Wave's response to be honest.
Artanis & marv
TLCastingGolems
Profile Joined December 2012
160 Posts
March 18 2013 19:21 GMT
#1132
On March 19 2013 04:19 FiveTouch wrote:
I don't really care about Wave's response to be honest.

Lulz.
To be honest Soniv and I discussed it earlier before this came up and we're already pretty sure we know what we're doing for night action. We'll announce it at the appropriate time of course.
As far as tomorrow's lynch target goes, it really depends on what happens tonight.
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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 19:22 GMT
#1133
I mean, that isn't a slight on you or anything Wave. More that it doesn't mean that much.

I'm just waiting to see whatever it is this bombshell Omni has.
Artanis & marv
Promato
Profile Joined March 2013
92 Posts
March 18 2013 19:25 GMT
#1134
because you think he is town? Or because game is solved? (which it is)

Golms RB > Moc
if there is no night kill we kill moc
if there is a night kill I guess you'll lynch us
(we're at 4-1 after this)

after the guy lynched flips town
Golems RB > SurvivorX

if there is a nk you lynch Golems (3-1 still, 2-1 after lynch)
if there is no nk you lynch SurvivorX (3-1)

both of these allow for the last non Newbie/DrP/Five player to be lynched. Game is over.
Yamato + Prom hydra for Hydra Mini
TLCastingGolems
Profile Joined December 2012
160 Posts
March 18 2013 19:32 GMT
#1135
On March 19 2013 04:22 FiveTouch wrote:
I mean, that isn't a slight on you or anything Wave. More that it doesn't mean that much.

I'm just waiting to see whatever it is this bombshell Omni has.

Oh I know.
Only a few hours to go!
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Promato
Profile Joined March 2013
92 Posts
March 18 2013 20:24 GMT
#1136
I cannot help but notice that tonight ends in two and a half hours and Mr Eulogy has killed the discussion. Vote Moo. Vote scum.
Yamato + Prom hydra for Hydra Mini
Moology
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy144 Posts
March 18 2013 20:48 GMT
#1137
On March 19 2013 05:24 Promato wrote:
I cannot help but notice that tonight ends in two and a half hours and Mr Eulogy has killed the discussion. Vote Moo. Vote scum.


speculation from you not being able to think of anything else to discuss. Chill yo tits.
Moology
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy144 Posts
March 18 2013 20:49 GMT
#1138
Does anybody watch hockey? I'm more than willing to discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs on the path to winning the cup this year for the next 2 hours.
NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
Profile Joined March 2013
183 Posts
March 18 2013 20:54 GMT
#1139
On March 19 2013 05:49 Moology wrote:
Does anybody watch hockey? I'm more than willing to discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs on the path to winning the cup this year for the next 2 hours.


Alternatively, you can spend the next two hours convincing us why Promato is scum. Because I don't see it at all.
The two man power trip.
Moology
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy144 Posts
March 18 2013 20:55 GMT
#1140
On March 19 2013 05:54 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 05:49 Moology wrote:
Does anybody watch hockey? I'm more than willing to discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs on the path to winning the cup this year for the next 2 hours.


Alternatively, you can spend the next two hours convincing us why Promato is scum. Because I don't see it at all.


Prom isn't scum what are you smoking bro?
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