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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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On March 16 2013 02:26 FiveTouch wrote: Theoretically, because the case was made up from 100% bullshit. But, its you we're talking about, so that doesn't exactly apply. ~Keir Hey kier what do you think my alignment is + Show Spoiler + i make myself chuckle so much | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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~Hapa | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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Instead of typing up a stand-alone post, I'm just going to voice my differences of opinions on what you wrote above: TLCastingGolems - I don't know where you're coming from ont his one. He has definetely gotten better. HOWEVER, nothing that suggests a strong town read. I can make perfect sense of his actions from scum or town. Perhaps even moreso as scum given his absences in the thread. You're going to have to explain this one more. Promato - Leaning scum. Prome is busy and that's understandable, however the Yamato half has been nothing like I'd expect from town Yamato. Even barring his early-game inactivity, his contributions since have been less than impressive. There's a very wishy-washy list post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=23#445 ...and there's a couple of posts going after VE. However, it seems much more passive than I've ever seen from him. I'm also shocked to see Yamato not going after me right now. He railed on me in Duel for being passive, and that's how I've played thusfar. The only explanation for him not going after me I have is that he knows that I'm town. FiveTouch - Marv is doing aaaaight. Kei on the other hand is playing like a hedgehog. I don't see him doing very much other than defending himself or attacking when someone else is behind him. My gut says that this hydra is town tbh, but I need to hear more from Kei. DirkDirk - I get that Palmar is trolling, however my one reservation with calling this hydra outright scum is that I'd expect more effort from a scum-WBG. If he doesn't put the effort in tomorrow, we really have no choice but to lynch him. However, I have my doubts about his allignment, and hopefully his promised activity tomorrow helps me get a feel for him. Pretty much everyone else I have some degree of a town-read on. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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~Hapa | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote: Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important. ~Keir 'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote: I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus. Yeah but how the fuck am I supposed to know that? Part of me reading your hydra is reading you. You not posting makes it impossible to get information out of you, and makes it impossible to hold you accountible for anything. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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On March 16 2013 05:43 Promethelax wrote: I don't see that this matters. Hyrdas are one being. You must read fivetouch. Not kier, not marv, but fivetouch. I think ignoring individual players is a really bad idea and is very limiting read-wise. Hell I'd prefer that people just post individaully really. Hell Iamp and I are pretty much doing that. We talk about our reads over Skype once in a while, but we're kinda doing our own thing over here. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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And fuck everything about flood control. ~Hapa | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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Do you have a standing list of reads right now, or is what Yamato said earlier your collaboration on it? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=23#445 | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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On March 16 2013 05:54 FiveTouch wrote: This point about the list-post is terrible. Really terrible. What about the contents of the list post? I agree with most of the reads and I agree with most of the reasoning behind the reads. In addition, he said he needed to look into you, and then subsequently did so, making a series of natural posts regarding how you were posting and your alignment. ~marv There's just very little there that I could hold him accountable for. He gives one very obvious town read (DrParnassus), then gives a lot of slight town/scum reads one way or the other. Could I see a townie doing that? Yeah for sure. However it's Yamato, who's generally passionate and foaming at the mouth about things. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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On March 16 2013 06:08 FiveTouch wrote: Expanding on this a bit, check out this series of events: Then just a few minutes later: I think this line of dialog makes it very likely that Promato is town. He came in with a decently strong scumread on ObsQT. Then I gave him even MORE reason to think that Promato was scum, with the iamp thing. But then he up and changes his read. I don't see a scum Promato doing that. I was actively trying to get him into some discourse about a potential scum suspect and get some genuine thoughts, and he could have used it to cement his read further and have more ground for pushing. But he didn't. If he's scum, he closed off one of his potential mislynch options, under no pressure to do so. ~Keir Yeah this is the part that I initially found wieeeeerd about his filter. Yamato railed on me for being passive (and lynched me) in Duel Mafia. It's very strange to see him not doing the same thing here. Originally I was thinking it was because he knew I was town. Though reading that conversation over again, nothing about his comments there seem forced at all. Perhaps it was a bit rash to call him scummy for it. I want to see where he takes this VE thing. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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So reading through VE's filter, he does do a ton of soft-pushing on the WittyHydra lynch. In fact he kinda softpushes... everyone. This post for example... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=22#435 ...spreads suspicion on myself, DrParnassus, and the Golems all in one shot. Looking through his filter, I don't think he ever tries to defend a player, nor do I ever get the sense he has a town read on anyone. It doesn't read like "natural town paranoia" either. Generally townies have atleast one town read or someone they feel good about despite being naturally paranoid. This hydra seems to seize on any opportunity they can to make someone look bad. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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On March 16 2013 06:27 FiveTouch wrote: Different games Hapa, and he only truly got a hard-on for lynching you Day 3. ~marv Yamato was going after me pretty super-hard on Day 1 as well. He dropped it to go after Acro on Day 2, then resumed on Day 3. Anywho yes this is a different game. I also agree with him quite a bit on VE/OO looking through their filter. Promato seems fine for now. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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Is OO going to give his thoughts as well? You said you're posting your collective last will and testament, yet said that these were your own reads. Secondly: NewbieXXXI_ObsQT - Hapa's posting certainly made me feel better about the slot, but ultimately both heads of this hydra pretty much all but disappeared from the thread in the hours leading up to the lynch. Considering the target was a townie, and the fact that it was originally NXXXIOQT that brought up the lurker lynch in the first place (DrP mentioned Witty, but NXXXIOQT was the one who ultimately brought Witty to FT's attention, which is in my opinion the original genesis of the lurker wagon) I'm going with my initial instinct on this slot - that NXXXIOQT was only interested early on in shoveling shit into the thread for no purpose other than make it unreadable. I'd understand if you thought our collective passivity made us scummy, but this doesn't make very much sense. 1) You say we're trying to make the thread "unreadable" by "shoveling shit" or whatever. You seem to be the only person in this thread with that attitude. No one else here has had problems with our posting, and in fact it's been less than normal for the both of us. Hell this game is really readable. There are only 30 pages of filter for crying out loud. 2) I was active in the hours leading up to the lynch. Whats with this "dissappearence" thing? 3) So what if I pushed the Witty lynch? He was scummy as fuck, and you agreed with us yourself. Me pushing a lynch of a player who didn't give a crap about the game is completely normal, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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Also, get your ass in here Iamp. You were supposed to carry us and make us look obv-town =/ ~Hapa | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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On March 16 2013 08:03 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Oh wait that's a kill? I thought it was some mod-confirmed townie action. reading op is useful..... | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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Who reads the OP gawd. And fuck you iamp - I can't post with this goddamn flood control. On March 16 2013 08:04 FiveTouch wrote: My post looks pretty sketch because I'm preempting the NK  but Golems looks significantly worse for wanting to lynch Dirk as well as have Witty modkilled.~marv Do you have any ideas about that NK? I mean I can't make sense of it at all unless a) someone thought he was blue b) you did it to protect your hide ~hapa | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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really doubt he's scum. perhaps lynch at lylo, but w/e - segment on OO makes too much sense. ##Vote ObviousEyes | ||
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