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On March 16 2013 02:31 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 16 2013 02:22 FiveTouch wrote:
Playing for modkill is a really bad way to play the game. Which is why we asked the mods if he would be modkilled. Modkills are always unfortunate, but I don't get why town would be content with letting their KP be diminished by having their target die to something out of their control and waste the days lynch. But I'm clearly not seeing something that everyone else is. -S4 Yeah you play the game, assuming that the hosts dont do shit beside resolving night actions and posting day/night posts. Everything else shouldnt even be speculated about. Like modkills.
I don't concur as that seems rather myopic, but there's no sense in continuing to argue it.
I'll agree to disagree.
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On March 16 2013 05:47 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:43 Promethelax wrote:On March 16 2013 05:42 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote:On March 16 2013 05:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote:
Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important.
~Keir 'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions. I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus. Yeah but how the fuck am I supposed to know that? Part of me reading your hydra is reading you. You not posting makes it impossible to get information out of you, and makes it impossible to hold you accountible for anything. I don't see that this matters. Hyrdas are one being. You must read fivetouch. Not kier, not marv, but fivetouch. This. Exactly. I didn't sign up for the game to be a separate player. I wanted to hydra with marv to talk with him during a game about what he's thinking, what I'm thinking, and discuss with him and consolidate reads. This conversation wouldn't even be happening if hydras were anonymous and people weren't signing their posts. It's a dumb argument.
While I tend to agree with this line of thinking, there's probably something to be said for analyzing each player individually (assuming people aren't be sneaky when they don't sign their posts and such) but I wouldn't base primary reads on it and probably won't be doing this myself. The reasoning Soniv and I decided to cut the flavour was indeed because all of our posting before today has been a collaborative effort for the most part; we've been on Skype chat/calls discussing and enjoying the hell out of it, but due to our schedules this just isn't possible for an extended period of time. So we're going to talk and discuss our reads and make sure we're on the same page as a hydra, but we'll be posting separately just like everyone else. It's up to other people whether or not they want to judge our posts as separate thoughts or not.
Personally I think if you're posting your reads and opinions which happen to be different from your other hydra head, you're doing it wrong.
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And I forgot why I was posting that in the first place.
I won't be around for NK, Soniv might be.
-Wave
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On March 16 2013 07:05 ObliviousEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 07:03 Promato wrote:On March 16 2013 06:47 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Your initial speculation re: Named VT made me think critically about the setup. Yamato's push on me feels genuine, misguided though it be.
I won't support a lynch on you two. That's all you should care about. weeee, you are scum. I'll have to buy Yam a beer later. IS THIS SHIT FOR FUCKING REAL!?
I certainly hope so, cuz I'm beginning to agree with promato.
-S4
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I can't keep up with this fucking thread.
So Dirk gets NKed huh?
I can't honestly fathom why the fuck mafia would do that when he was essentially a free mislynch apparently. Hopefully it just means they're going to end up out-thinking themselves in the end with fancy shit rather than us.
Anywho, not sheeping onto the OE train yet, until I can get some reads going.
Off the top of my head though:
I remember I wanted to mention something about Parnassus' last post before the flip, something about OH GOD PLEASE NO DONT LYNCH GOLEMS which seemed really fucking odd, and now he goes and votes himself for no apparent reason. Will be looking into this.
VE's screamfest reminds me of his play in LX (since that's the only game in which I've played with him), but I've also heard that him getting all emotional is typical of his play no matter what alignment? Probably null but I'm still definitely going to comb through before coming to any decisions.
Top scumread for now remains Newbie since he barely responded to my case on him, and despite the fact that he seems to think it all falls apart with Dirk flipping town, it doesn't quite, especially since the only reason scum has to NK Dirk in the first place is to fuck with us and our previous conceptions.
-Wave
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You'll have to excuse Wave. He hadn't spoken with me about our/my reads before making that post. He was operating under the assumption that reads were the same from the last time we spoke.
I agree with my other half's sentiment that I don't get why they would kill Dirk when he was more than likely being killed today.
However, I also recognize that much of my suspicion on Newbie was because I thought Dirk was scum (hence why I wanted to kill dirk first). This is under mental advisement.
I also made the post before night flip + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 07:12 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 07:05 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 16 2013 07:03 Promato wrote:On March 16 2013 06:47 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Your initial speculation re: Named VT made me think critically about the setup. Yamato's push on me feels genuine, misguided though it be.
I won't support a lynch on you two. That's all you should care about. weeee, you are scum. I'll have to buy Yam a beer later. IS THIS SHIT FOR FUCKING REAL!? I certainly hope so, cuz I'm beginning to agree with promato. -S4
It's too late for me to make a good post right now, and I still need to catch up from being away for the evening, so I'll be around early-mid day tomorrow.
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On March 16 2013 15:01 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 14:51 TLCastingGolems wrote:
You'll have to excuse Wave. He hadn't spoken with me about our/my reads before making that post. He was operating under the assumption that reads were the same from the last time we spoke. Also wait. What the hell does this mean? How does that excuse Wave at all? He presumably was suspicious of me (since apparently you're collaborating) for associative reasons, and uf he was reading the thread, he would have known that Dirk was NK'd. Who cares if he didn't speak with you - that just shows he hasn't been reading the thread and is flinging suspicion around arbitrarily. don't know what to tell you other than he's an idiotShow nested quote +I agree with my other half's sentiment that I don't get why they would kill Dirk when he was more than likely being killed today.
However, I also recognize that much of my suspicion on Newbie was because I thought Dirk was scum (hence why I wanted to kill dirk first). This is under mental advisement.
... This is a complete non-answer. What is your read on me? What is this "under mental advisement" junk? null read right now because I know my suspicions were heavily based on dirk flipping red. I will return in the morning, hopefully with a fresh mind.
answers in red
-S4
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On March 16 2013 15:06 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Alright. Well tell WoS to make himself available, because his ass is mine tomorrow.
Why make it tomorrow?
You're welcome to vote us for now but it's not going to get you anywhere.
Essentially you (and Soniv) nailed me on the fact that I didn't really read while posting old suspicions. The lack of communication Soniv and I have had as well as the general lack of our hydra's posting has been getting to me, and essentially I did what I myself said was a bad idea and just posted for the hell of it without sharing reads/communication.
As I said you're welcome to vote me, look more into this, point out to me all the reasons why it looks scummy as fuck, but they've already been explained to me and you're not going to get any new information from it because this is all there is. My meta is much more post- and contribution-centred than this game has been (which is not to my liking), I'm not used to it, I had difficulty keeping up with the thread and I snapped. For now I will fix my(/our) play and contribute in fewer, more meaningful amounts, because it is all we can muster right now.
You'll have a proper read tomorrow, one that we have both discussed.
-Wave
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You're not going to get anything of the sort.
The whole point of this being a Hydra mafia game is that it's a two person TEAM against other two person TEAMS. I believe I pointed that out before. You're welcome to try and get your reads based on my posts v. Soniv's or marv's vs Keirathi's. But you'll have to take them with a grain of salt every time because there is always going to be collaboration.
That's the name of the game.
PS. It was more than a 'derp' moment and I'm not proud of it. I'm willing to accept that it looked scummy as all fuck and have you vote for us and move on and the help the rest of town that may not be completely fixated on us. Or you mislynch us anyway and maybe you can actually get something useful from it. There is no constructed bullshit; I'm saying what I feel and that's all there is to it.
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Quick.
QUICK!
I don't have a fucking clue. Soniv and I discussed OE a little but there's going to have to be more discussion (and way the fuck more re-reading of the thread on my part) before we come to any real conclusions. I'm honestly lost in this game trying to go on everything I know so far about TL mafia because this is completely different from any other game I've played, and you all are posting and reading based on you all knowing each other, which I do not.
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Alright, fair points I suppose. It's funny, but if you want to call the way we've been playing so far retreating into a shell, it arguably worked better for us than saying what I think, considering how much I fucking blew it.
I can't say for certain you'll get what you want tomorrow, but you'll get something at least.
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Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future.
On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though.
You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue?
-S4
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On March 16 2013 22:56 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Ve what you think of this caster stuff?
And I too want to know the answer to this question
-S4
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On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet
Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans.
You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it?
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On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you?
Jailkeeper
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On March 17 2013 01:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper Who did you jail and any crumbs?
Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever.
Reasoning:
At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through.
At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor).
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On March 17 2013 01:42 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:22 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper Who did you jail and any crumbs? Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor). Err, what? Please, show me these people that agreed with you. The only one I can remember is ObliviousEyes. Everyone else gave at least a minor town read to ObsQT, iirc.
Hmm...you're right. I knew VE had same view as me. (but this was before a lot of the flak on VE was falling - so it had still stuck in my mind)
DrParn did:
On March 16 2013 05:58 DrParnassus wrote:
OK. I g2g, won't be back before deadline. Here is my list of least lynch worthy to most lynchworthy
Moology, TlCasters, FT, OO, Promato, Newbie Obs, Dirk
and that's my final answer
I thought Moology did too, but I misread the post I was thinking of.
I thought I had more people in line with my thinking, but I was mistaken.
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On March 17 2013 01:56 DrParnassus wrote:
golems, you need to get to sharing reads and being productive asap. we can hash out this JK stuff later
You can calm your tits asap.
tl;dr calm your tits
Current reads:
DrParn
FiveTouch
Moology
Newbie
Promato
OE
Parn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things.
Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player.
I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc.
Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in.
-S4
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Any reactions to this Newbie?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 01:22 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper Who did you jail and any crumbs? Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor).
You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question.
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