British Empire Mini Mafia II

On March 05 2013 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Policy lynching Marv regardless of if he's in the game or not.

On March 05 2013 10:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I have no plan to get the ball rolling. I forgot how much Day 1 sucks for the first few hours.

On March 05 2013 10:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##Vote DrHelvetica

2 more!

On March 05 2013 10:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
eh. he might actually be scum for taking this so seriously. only one way to find out......

On March 05 2013 10:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

If it only takes 2 votes left to kill me instantly scum could just vote right now and it'd be day over and one townie dead

should i be taking this opportunity to goof off instead?

On March 05 2013 10:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm the house of parliament idiots

On March 05 2013 10:24 Hapahauli wrote:
But... but... I thought we were friends... =(

On March 05 2013 10:27 Hapahauli wrote:


I will post my baby seal pics damnit!

On March 05 2013 10:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Get 4 votes on me, last person to vote me is confirmed scum when I flip town.

Do it.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake

On March 05 2013 10:39 Hapahauli wrote:


That's fair. The whole "joking" thing is because of the guys active so far, most of us know each other really well and have played in a bunch of games together. Like I've played a TON of games with Thrawn and Mr.CC. I think I've played 2 with Dandel (and viscously mislynched him in the last one =O).

Anywho, it'll get serious soon enough. I think we've done a fair job of breaking the ice so far... even with the claim =P

On March 05 2013 10:43 Hapahauli wrote:


Nah not worth it. If there's a 2nd one about, you want to keep scum paranoid about a doctor or cop as long as possible.

On March 05 2013 10:46 Hapahauli wrote:
Curious Dandel - you think anyone is suspicious here so far?

On March 05 2013 10:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh I suppose that's true. I'd still prefer whoever it is to keep the claim in their back pocket until they really need it. You can catch people with their pants down like that.

On March 05 2013 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I read my Role PM.

+ Show Spoiler [Mr. Cheesecake's Role] +

On March 06 2013 01:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hapa, I'm going to hard buddy the fuck out of you this game so be prepared to deal with my shenannies.

In regards to Prom:

You didn't read my post.



I said a named VT should claim because they'll eventually have to in order to get confirmed townie status anyway. Dr.H or the possible named VT would die anyway, and we'd have the luxury of confirmed towns for the first two days at least.

Or maybe you know the second blue isn't a named VT.

On March 06 2013 01:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Why Jay? Don't lynch cute Mr. JayJay yet =(

He must be handled with love.

On March 06 2013 01:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Vote Jay, snuggle bear.

On March 06 2013 02:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And as for the CC thing, it's mostly a feel-based read since we've played so many games together. Not a satisfying explanation to those outside the circle, but I'm pretty comfortable with it.

On March 06 2013 02:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
-not being my friend

scum

On March 06 2013 02:57 Promethelax wrote:
because by the time I came in the game had progressed. I find it likely that dan and cc are town based in their actions. Thrawn on the other hand felt scummy. to quote my notes "Dan and CC are usually useless trolls. Thrawn is not though. Its worth a follow up. The first two seem greenish. The third...I dunno."

On March 06 2013 02:25 Promethelax wrote:


'sup? Still reading the thread. I like to take things seriously, it means there is no stupid trolly useless phase that forces one of the strongest town players in this game to claim within five minutes.

Questions about thrawn were not to read thrawn's alignment. They were clearly so I could read Hapa. You are dumb.

Not being silly at all in fact. Simply hadn't read my role pm. Which was a good move if I rolled scum (which for those curious, I didn't)

I'll be your friend again once one of us is dead. I don't have friends in game.

so Thrawn are you dumb or scum?

On March 06 2013 04:13 Promethelax wrote:
leaning more townie. I like your interaction with jay and you have started to pressure things more adroitly. I would not call you town but I would not call you the scummiest guy around either.

I also happen to like you as a player and, as we recently discussed, reading you based on meta in the later game is easy as fuck. So, for now, I let you live and assume that if you are town scum will take care of you for me and if you are scum it'll be super-duper obvious later.

On March 06 2013 04:45 Promethelax wrote:


no, your non-committal sheeping of a weak town player gave me strong town vibes...

On March 06 2013 04:47 Promethelax wrote:
like you as a player =/= like you as a friend.

care to make a comment which is not retarded?

On March 06 2013 05:35 Vivax wrote:
Am I not allowed to treat my scumreads nicely and ask them if they agree with a course of action?

On March 06 2013 05:39 Promethelax wrote:


He loveboats as scum. Read lviii. Or ask your friend Cheesecake he was in that game. Before he decided to ruin it.

On March 06 2013 05:45 Promethelax wrote:


and he was town...do you read anything I write Dan?

On March 06 2013 05:48 jaybrundage wrote:

Can you start contributing your entire filter is one liners. You post but there isn't any content to it. The first page of your filter is trolling. The second is passing comments. You had some reasoning last time I played with you.

On March 06 2013 05:49 Promethelax wrote:


Why would you get killed over a confirmed town DrH? He is a better player than you and is confirmed town.

Also why should I be looked at? If you want us to listen to you after you flip give me a reason besides you telling us to do it.

On March 06 2013 06:19 Vivax wrote:
You forgot to mention Dandel aqua.

Fitting cause I have a question:

Dandel why did you vote for Prom and immediately unvote while refusing to comment on what's going on around you?

On March 06 2013 06:21 Promethelax wrote:
Because I'm obv town and Dan is obv troll.

On March 06 2013 06:38 Vivax wrote:


Wat

On March 06 2013 06:42 Promethelax wrote:
that nineteen minute lurk.

On March 06 2013 06:44 Vivax wrote:
Prom is actually fine when people are all casual and never post something useful on their own.

What a coincidence.

Dandel, why is DrH supposed to be something else from what he claimed?

On March 06 2013 06:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


Artanis/Vivax/Jay one of these is a scum, that's my gut. I actually need a lot of time before I make a vote I'm comfortable with, I have a routine.

On March 06 2013 06:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


I want to see Artanis push his reads more though. I hate this kind of play.

@Dandel Ion

There are too many traps for a counterclaim. I'm not 100% confirmed unless I die, of course, but it would be a real bonehead move and my scum play is very careful regarding my own posting. I like to bus the shit out of my teammates and never claim.

On March 06 2013 06:54 Vivax wrote:
3/4 setups involve a HoP, it would be out of the ordinary stupid for scum to fakeclaim named VT.

You disappoint me dad.

On March 06 2013 06:59 Vivax wrote:
Dandel start posting your reads and pushing them holy shit. You are here to answer any question that doesn't seem to be related to the players in this game.

You can brag all you want about your setup speculation but it doesn't help us at all, people don't plan on doubting DrH's claim any soon.

On March 06 2013 07:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

WOW have you even read your own filter

We need to hammer Dandel Ion right now.

On March 06 2013 07:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He said he's been clear about his reads and that's a borderline lie. He hasn't at all. He hasn't given an ounce of reasoning for his behavior or votes.

On March 06 2013 07:12 Promethelax wrote:


I defend him because I don't think he is scum and Doc's cries of "hammer right naow!" are not helpful.

I'm done defending Dan though, he can defend himself. If he cares to. You guys can lynch him, I will not be voting him though.

On March 06 2013 07:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yeah, I'm moving back to Dandel Ion. He was aggressive to begin with. And now he's playing scared and talking about the setup, something that might have been very carefully parsed in the scum QT. One of my rules of thumb is that the more familiar a player is with the rules/setup, the more carefully they have considered it, the more likely it is they are scum. Scum begin the game by talking about setup, considering their options (roleclaims, etc.) and asking a lot of questions to the host.

As town, I know I don't read the setup very carefully cause it doesn't play too far into the way I scumhunt unless someone claims and then I look to see if there's a way I can trap with that. The less familiar a player is with the setup/rules, the more likely it is they are town.

When a player ducks out of the day to only talk about that kind of stuff - it is very likely they care scum.

##Unvote
##Vote Dandel Ion

On March 06 2013 06:40 Vivax wrote:
Nice delurk.

On March 06 2013 07:31 Vivax wrote:
blabla he probably read Ace's mafia guide and now tries to play that card. yadda yadda

On March 06 2013 08:10 Promethelax wrote:
sorry sorry: for jay @dan: why

On March 06 2013 08:13 Promethelax wrote:


yes, I agree. Why do you think he is scum.

On March 06 2013 07:58 Vivax wrote:
Ahh that is nice, now we can discuss things properly without what the fuck what the shit.

I actually thought he meant "named VT" as in he said that DrH's role name is named a VT cause I only checked afterwards that the House of Parliament has the unflavoured name "named VT".

So I thought Dandel was calling DrH a VT/was doubting his claim something along the lines but that got cleared up when I actually read the OP thoroughly.

I still think we should lynch Dandel since he's asking for it. No WIFOM bullshit like "he's behaving like scum so he can't be scum".

Hapa I have to currently assume you're town I would like you to go through the things I wrote about Artanis.

I have a well structured post about him and I would like you to look into Prom as well since he has accused me of things that are obvious lies but refuses to comment on them or adapt his read when I mention them. He said something about having a meta read on me he didn't want to share earlier but only came out to vote for me after I accused him of being scum.

On March 06 2013 06:00 Vivax wrote:
Prome lied to say I'm scum.

Lynch Prome immediately I guarantee a red hit.

I also mistakenly answered a question of his twice for those who care.

Dandel let's be the Austrian Bros for this game I lived in Tirol where do you go around? /buddy
Help me lynch Prom and be a boss.

On March 06 2013 06:27 Vivax wrote:
Aqua the votecount should show earlier votes and unvotes with strikethrough.

Who else is willing to policy lynch Dandel for being all casual, unreadable and not contributing to this game?

##Unvote
##Vote Dandel Ion

On March 06 2013 06:40 Vivax wrote:
Nice delurk.

On March 06 2013 07:31 Vivax wrote:
Let's lynch Dandel for openly playing anti-town he probably read Ace's mafia guide and now tries to play that card. His reads are all OMGUS and on townies (I think DrH is townie yes).

Even for the unlikely case he's town we don't need people playing right into mafia's hands. If he's town he's trying hard to get himself lynched.


##Unvoting
##Vote Dandel Ion

On March 07 2013 08:39 thrawn2112 wrote:


eh I don't think you're scum, although when I read that you called yourself "confirmed town" my heart skipped a beat

hammered jay because I was extremely sure about him being scum, and was tired of being in the thread with nobody to talk to

On March 07 2013 08:42 Hapahauli wrote:


That would be me unfortunately =(

On March 07 2013 08:44 thrawn2112 wrote:


explain what

On March 07 2013 09:37 thrawn2112 wrote:


well do you think i'm scum or what? i'll play nice this time

On March 07 2013 09:40 thrawn2112 wrote:


i say it's not much of an opinion when you've only listed 3 names with no reasoning

the reason you say i'm scum is because I hammered Jay after saying I wouldn't? how does that mean thrawn=scum?

On March 08 2013 01:13 Hapahauli wrote:


Wait... what @ Dandel vote
Is that a joke or a troll?

On March 08 2013 01:21 Vivax wrote:
[...]
His preference of lynch choice is scummy cause it doesn't coincide with what other people thought would be the more likely to be scum, pretty obviously I think it's cause he didn't want to lynch his scumbuddy over me.

On March 08 2013 01:55 Vivax wrote:
Dandel is still a huge dick for playing like this and probably thinks about doing this as town so he can do it as mafia later at our expense.

On March 08 2013 02:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The fact that you want me dead makes me happy actually.

In my scum games nobody ever thinks I'm scum LOL. Problem is scum could be Artanis, Vivax, even Prom (less likely). Dandel, if he's scum I want him to win because his play is brilliantly terrible. Don't lynch Dandel.

##Unvote

On March 09 2013 02:14 Promethelax wrote:
3) Dan and CC, you both need to make a case on the other one.

On March 09 2013 02:35 Promethelax wrote:


yep. If not CC who? Who is it you find scummy? Why? (hint: if it is me, thrawn or Art you are bad)

On March 09 2013 02:41 Promethelax wrote:
I couldn't help but notice dan that you didn't actually answer my question. Which one of us is it?

On March 09 2013 03:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I don't think scum is in Thrawn. I'm infinitely paranoid of Prom, but we'll see who gets NK if we mislynch. Scum is either Artanis or Dandel.

There's not much of a case to be made for Dandel, mainly because he hasn't done anything.

He didn't vote for Jay, and Jay wouldn't vote for him (only talk smack about him) He was, however, super willing to get the vivax lynch going. There are a few nuances that make me think Dandel is scum:



Coincidence scum had a roleblocker, mayber, but it seems like Dandel knew the setup.



Why the heck would Dandel even think about this?


He believes the claim, but he's speculating on whether or not the claim could be scum motivated...??

HERE'S WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING :3



^ "Hey guys I want to lynch Vivax or Jay soon"

Next post, after he wakes up:



^ "Hey guys I want to lynch Vivax, prom, or Thrawn!"

WHERE'D JAY GO? :3

After the red flip:



He was NOT in the triumvirate of lynches Dandel posted. He never wanted to lynch Jay.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Dandel Ion

Because scum. Time to claim town roleblocker, Dandel.

On March 09 2013 03:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Like seriously Dandel, how many shits have you given about towns anything so far? Even when you're trolling as town you usually give some sort of direction or are somewhat pushing reads.

On March 09 2013 06:52 thrawn2112 wrote:


also this is complete bullshit. if we mislynch today, WE CAN'T MISLYNCH TOMORROW..... so why would a town dandel offer himself up to be lynched?

On March 09 2013 06:56 thrawn2112 wrote:


wat?

you said "lynch artanis today, and me tomorrow if artanis is green"

when tomorrow is mylo, that's a scum claim if I ever saw one

On March 09 2013 07:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Dandel, remind me to not allow you into any game I host as a player.

On March 09 2013 07:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
fuuuuckkk i want dandel to be hammered right now.... but first I want prom to come in and say who he thinks is scum if dandel is green.

On March 09 2013 07:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I feel exactly the same way thrawn, I'd have hammered Dandel already if Prome said all he wanted to say.

On March 09 2013 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Dandel, why did you have a town read on me all game then suddenly completely 180 after I lynched Vivax and now you're suddenly certain? You defended me on the day leading up to Vivax and pressured Thrawn for pressuring me for not hammering Jay yet this one action which no one can explain as sensible for scum to do makes you certain of me being scum?

On March 09 2013 07:24 thrawn2112 wrote:


lol prove your innocence. hammer yourself

On March 09 2013 07:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So my grand master plan as scum when I was only really suspected by Vivax was to hammer him instantly so I could use the strategy of it being so dumb to do as scum that I can't be scum rather than just playing the game out from the decent position I was in.
Makes perfect sense.

On March 09 2013 07:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
blabla.. you have done fuck all to make this game playable or even fun. Do you see the problem? Do you see why you need to give some reads?

On March 09 2013 09:15 thrawn2112 wrote:


hmm. D1 my play wasn't great, but I did end up with correct reads. (changing my read on prom from scum to town, and jay being scum) D2 I was wanting either an artanis or a dandel lynch, and I went to sleep and woke up to find that vivax had been lynched. had i been there I would have argued strongly against the lynch. so i'm not sure what I could have done to be more useful in D2 aside from not passing out for 12+ hours. my d3 start was.... maybe not ideal from your perspective, but I was really just trying to see if you were scum or not. i sorta did the same thing with dandel during d2... be extremely uncooperative with a person who is accusing or questioning me, and then judge their alignment based off of their reaction. you and dandel reacted completely differently... in d2 when I was an ass to dandel, he shut up and didn't question me further. in d3 he went crazy. but you hung in there despite me being extremely annoying which is what caused me to change my reads d3

On March 09 2013 09:30 Hapahauli wrote:


Well yes and no. This setup is extremely unforgiving to passive scum-play in a reasonably active town. However, active-scumplay is extremely powerful, since you can end days early by pushing a mislynch.