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On March 10 2013 18:50 marvellosity wrote: Guys, rejoice! For I am town! In other news, corazon looks bad/dumb, VE looks like VE (...), Ver looks bad, and everything else is boring. Ironic, Mr. VE impersonator. 5 internet points for the effort though! | ||
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On March 10 2013 16:26 iamperfection wrote: Do we agree with me that yamatos start is more of a town tell? Do we agree that ve's misread of the situation is a point showing that he may in fact be scum? No & No No points for you. | ||
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On March 10 2013 16:26 iamperfection wrote: Do we agree with me that yamatos start is more of a town tell? Do we agree that ve's misread of the situation is a point showing that he may in fact be scum? On March 10 2013 22:06 supersoft wrote: I agree on everything <...> of your post though... Channeling Oatsmaster Expound. Channeling personality Most of us are trying to simulate our personalities. Why so too eager to white knight Iamp/Yamato. | ||
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On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. | ||
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On March 10 2013 22:22 supersoft wrote: are you talking to me? Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. | ||
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On March 10 2013 22:30 supersoft wrote: i am not explaining my townreads right now. you explain me why yamato is scum if you think so. I dont need you to explain townreads. yam isnt scum or town for me. hes still sitting at null. 0 points for him, 0 points for you. | ||
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On March 10 2013 22:30 supersoft wrote: i am not explaining my townreads right now. you explain me why yamato is scum if you think so. Ahh, dont bother explaining. The most awesome and creative host on TL has figured it out. On March 10 2013 13:30 yamato77 wrote: I am Yamato and i am a motherfucking vanilla townie Course hes town, 10 points to Yam and SS. | ||
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On March 10 2013 22:37 marvellosity wrote: ... why are you telling a player infinitely more experienced than you what reads he should be having? Why are you trying to interject in a manner that twists the situation grossly out of context? | ||
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On March 10 2013 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah. Where is the jovial mocsta that spams up half the thread. Come on. ##Vote: Mocsta LOL.. so I ask a question. You reciprocate by throwing a vote. Expound. | ||
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On March 10 2013 22:44 marvellosity wrote: stop answering questions with questions. pray tell me what i am 'twisting' I never told SS his vote was wrong. I was curious he was agreeing with iamp so freely, over a bullshit post; and chose to prod for information. If every post is meant to have meaning, what was the point of a +1 for iamps post anyways? Thats the information I seek. You interject by saying I am telling SS how to play. That couldn't be further from the truth Marv. + Show Spoiler + *As an aside: Regardless of themed gamed or not; I have respect for the vets on this forum. I wouldn't actually do what you were insinuating. I am slightly insulted you would jump to that conclusion immediately.* | ||
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On March 10 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont see any questions here. This is not a question cause it doesnt ask ANYTHING. It wasn't rhetorical. Its pretty clear. Ver makes one post, and you asking what people think of it. Thats stupid. Now what I know is, Ver wrote some fuckn great analysis guides on this forum. I never played with him before, but know of him by reputation. Hes a scum killer. You come in, and show A LOT of interest from one post.... Wheres the town motive in that? So yeah, its a real question Oats. | ||
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On March 10 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I ask you, because I think its weird and odd and what you thought.,.. You are being prickly and defensive as shit. Why? Also Is A LOT of interest 1 question to 1 person? I dont think so. If you haven't noticed. I am writing completely different. (- normally much more verbose) I am not matching the personality meta completely, but its quite a mind-set change for me. Whose your scummiest guy so far. Considering vote is on me, lets change to; whose your 2nd scummiest guy? | ||
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On March 11 2013 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Also why the fuck isn't Mocsta more of a presence this game? I live in Australia. Its 9am, and there was 12 pages to read. More stupid questions for me to answer? | ||
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(1) This game is super fucked with all the rhymers. Promes are the most easily interpreted. I am happy to keep him around out of the rhymers (left) i.e. Bugs to me reads like Chezinu in Mafia LX = White Noise.... (2) Yam shot; makes me lean scum... The guy was town TODAY, and confirmed at that... Martyr isn't a solid reason to drop our numbers down like this. The game is to lynch scum; not confirmed town. (3) Strong and Big case on Oats reads well, and the points are valid. But I know Oats meta/personality pretty damn well. Hes reading slightly town to me so far. ======= I am more concerned Corazon (who has played with Oats recently in Duelist Mafia) is keeping his options open on Oats (if yam doesnt gain traction).. Its early game, & we all know reads are subject to change... Why keep his options open like this? Why say, "I like the case but pushing my own reads anyways"? Why does he even agree with the read in the first place? Reads as over-eager ass-kissing to me. @Corazon Now that Yamato has taken a Day2 shot, I expect you to put your money where your mouth is, and make a judgment on his alignment and follow through accordingly. ##Vote: cDgCorazon | ||
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On March 11 2013 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Sure - who is more likely to skim a thread for mentions of their name? Town or scum? Skimming a thread is not alignment indicative. Most people feel a desire to respond to comments surrounding "them" regardless of alignment. If you want to know why I havent posted between 8 to 9... how about, because I was reading the 600 post Obs QT from LX... that satisfy your urges. Can we get back to scum hunting now. I just posted/voted on corazon, what do you think of his handling of SnB Oats case? | ||
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On March 11 2013 10:43 iamperfection wrote: i dont understand this vote. You say yamatos shot makes you think he is scum yet you are coting for cor for some reason why? I said, yam action makes me lean scum. But in my mind, corazon handling of S/B case just read forced to me. OK, so he confirmed he voted for Yam, but, it still doesnt go any way to explain his management of SnB Oats case? His rebuttal is: You're lazy. | ||
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Theres been a lot of bus talk in recent games (even in the newbies) so its almost the hot scum strategy of the month. | ||
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On March 11 2013 10:59 Promethelax wrote: Mocsta, you'll find that I make perfect sense my townieness is from you my defense. Why do you attack bugs and yamato but say cDg is the foe? I didn't think you were dense. Please pray: someone, respond this has gone on too long is there any reason to think bugs is one of us or have you all put him on your ignore list (a+!) help me out, am I wrong? In short: I dont like how Corazon kept his options open on vote targets. The play was pointless.. if you +1, follow with a vote on the case Saying +1 & adding "but my top scum read is something else" doesnt make sense. Its not even clear what cora likes about the case. Marv knows oats well. I know oats well: & so far he is playing his town self (i.e. points lots of fingers and asks dumb questions). Consider cora just played with oats in duel, where oats was doing the exact same things as town. Yet this game cora thinks oats = scum ?!?!? INTERESTING, no? ---- Bugs, I read his posts; but they are unreadable. If I supported his vote, it would be as a policy lynch. How do you ascertain him as town/scum based on his posts so far? | ||
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On March 11 2013 11:06 cDgCorazon wrote: What else am I supposed to say? You didn't ask any questions, you just came to conclusions. Not only were you lazy and basically lied about my stance on a Yamato lynch, you basically said "Corazon is scum beacuse..." and put it in question form, basically saying you do not care about my answer and that you are going to sit here and use your vote on me as an excuse to not scumhunt and post silly pictures of whatever you posted before. Your vote is fucking stupid. Asking for the same reply I give everyone else, just with a reply to your quote, is just you trying to look like you are scumhunting. Do you really think I am scummier than Yamato or anyone else who has been discussed as possible scum so far? Firstly, my vote for you was never founded on your yamato actions. Yes, I missed your vote; theres a lot happening in the thread - but I am sure you are aware of that. My vote was founded on how you went about yamato, in context of your agreement on SnB oats case. You kept your options open depending on what gained traction. This is COMPLETELY different reasoning to "reads are subject to change" and is not town like. Town will push their target for lynch until it is proven they are innocent or guilty. You did not do this; you said, I will stick with yamato, and can then move to oats if that fails... wishy-washy and indicative of scum not giving a shit on who they vote for. e.g. NMM37, as town Day 1 you had a hard-on for warbaby; and would barely entertain other cases... where is that tunneled town tenacity? Has your playstyle completely evaporated because of one game between NMM37 and this game? Interesting, NO? | ||
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On March 11 2013 11:15 Promethelax wrote: Scum bugs has given us nothing his posts in content were lacking once his tunnel target was shot his posting became "...[dot dot dot]" what is it about this you don't find compelling? Honestly, I am struggling to keep up with all the happenings in this thread. Its not a unified conversation.. i.e. there are like 5 or 6 conversations occurring in parallel & I don't like it. Has any consideration been given that Bugs is being forced to act a certain way by role PM? I know in Personality 1 Role PMs, some said you HAD to target specific people regardless of alignment. As for your dichotomy, I dont see how you can derive this conclusion from just the role PMs or post structure change after target shot. Kurumi died here: On March 11 2013 09:06 kitaman27 wrote: Announcement! Kurumi as Wherebugsgo has been killed by Meapak_Ziphh! Bugs last post was 1hr30min BEFORE kurumi died. On March 11 2013 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote: This broth would probably help you, but I'm afraid that the broth is not for chickens. | ||
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On March 11 2013 11:34 cDgCorazon wrote: LOL When in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Read my fucking filter and stop putting words in my mouth... Mocsta, your argument is ridiculously stupid and you're wasting everyone's time with this shit. Heres your filter dive (1) + Show Spoiler [yamato tunnel] + On March 10 2013 13:36 cDgCorazon wrote: Here's what I do not want to see from anyone in this town(in no particular order): Lurking BS Confusing Posts Being Scum Lying Decrypted Messages Being Scum Disagreeing with me Being Scum. So why do you immediately attack yamato? Surely it must be for something you put in your first list, right? On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote: Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're pursuing yamato for an absolutely stupid reason... Grammar & a stupid meta-hypothesis. its a 25 player game, and about a handful had posted; why the fuck would This is just stupid, meaningless aggression that goes no where. Then, there is your "question" to him: rhetorical at best, and derogatory at worst. Exactly the type of outcome town seeks ... NOT Lets keep chugging along please. You then continue discourse solely with Yamato even though he is politely saying I am not entering a war of words with you; and start talking about Duel mafia (instead of the actual game). You build lots of suspicion on yamato, and then, retreat. why... because maybe its a "personality influencing him" + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote: The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Then you rescind to a meta argument to support the yam claim.. which is interesting.. because you dont apply a meta read to oats (with SnB case) YET you just played Duel mafia with yamato and oats On March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote: Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable. More meaningless insults that go no where. On March 10 2013 16:19 cDgCorazon wrote: Yamato if you were playing to anyone's town meta you would not be playing this badly. You're just trying to stir up BS and you are calling people out for stuff that you have not done either (which basically means you called someone out for something). You aren't scumhunting, you're just throwing shit around. There's no need to do that. We find scum and lynch them. The fact that you are murking the water up means that you are not trying to scumhunt, which would make you not town. Why you so scummy? Again, more living in the past of Duel Mafia as reasoning for his Yamato tunneling. On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote: No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is. So Yamato, let me get this straight: You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum reads AND You're calling me out now for having a scumread. Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing. Absolute stupid vote rational. On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote: Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro... ##Vote: Yamato Gonna start scumhunting? So not only has this tunneling of Yamato been founded upon nothing except living in the past, and grammar. He now votes the guy, because he wasn't around when Corazon thinks he should be around.... ============= (2) + Show Spoiler [SnB] + CorazonWhen in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Here: Implicitly On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote: I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... (1) Says he has been scum hunting? I already proved his reasoning for targeting yamato were stupid and meaningless? (2) Clearly says the SnB case is convincing... why mention the deadline comment? Because it would lose traction. This is implicitly stating he would support it, if it came about later in the cycle. Yet he has the audacity to tell me, he never said anything of the sort? On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen. I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. And this is where he is setting himself up to move onto Oats whenever Yam loses traction. it reads pretty clear to me. tl;dr Corazon says he been scum hunting.. but the effort has been fruitless and lacking of town conviction. He hasnt obtained any real information from his target; nor prodded yamato for meaningful discourse. He then follows up with a vote, cos they guy might have been asleep or having a drink with mates - i.e. wasn't around for an hour. All meek attempts to scum hunt, and indicative of scum taking the easy road. Then with the SnB case, clearly says he likes it..but its a "townie" thing to push your own case instead so will do that. LOl Doesnt even give reasoning to why the case is good (when others clearly do not agree with it as valid on Oats) Again, setting himself up for an easy switch, if yam loses traction. Again, scummy play. ##Vote: Corazon | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:04 Promethelax wrote: I say mr Moc needs a vote over stutt the former is scum, the latter a butt what it is you see to make you want to hang cDg? Atrocious does not make a scum from a nut. Your the one pushing for Bugs based on nothing but unreadable posts. "Translation: Nothing but air Dare I say, he might be easy to rhyme with, hence your asphyxiation towards him. I just proved to you, you were already bullshitting about reasoning. Yet, you call me scum. Where did I say this? When i showed you, bugs has NOT posted since kurumi was killed. Yet one of your reasons for him being scum, is that he changed his post structure when kurumi died to "..." It is YOU who is not reading. If you want to scum hunt on bugs, start finding some real evidence; and stop wasting your time on me. I know my role pm and I know my alignment. I am scum hunting, and cDgCorazon is my #1. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:18 cDgCorazon wrote: Excuse me?Moc if you think you are scumhunting, you better look it up in the dictionary. You're piggybacking off of Vivax and Marv's arguments and you're only calling Prome's posts unreadable because he is basically saying you are playing bad. You REALLY think Yamato is scummier than me? Just think about it... Piggy back off what? Are we even reading the same game? All Vivax done is say we shouldnt lurk. Marv is questioning BC motives. Whats that got to do with what I am pushing? Keeping build those thin arguments Cora. & No, I dont think yam is scummier than you... Case on Corazon Read that, its my case on you. I can forgive you for missing it.. because the thread is shitting up. That should answer your question: Yeah, you are way scummier to me than yam. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:18 Promethelax wrote: maybe the structure of my posts is hard for you but by "..." I meant Bugs said nothing, and nothing which he would later rue Maybe you dont realise.. but bugs last or second last post says "rat..." It was pretty easy to misinterpret what you wrote.. and hence, why all this rhyming is bullshit as I have already been saying. Didn't realise it was scummy to keep up with the thread and struggle to figure out what you rhymists are saying... Sounds to me, your writing what ever agenda is easiest to rhyme with... P.S. the "..." means extended pause for accentuation, not nothing. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:27 Promethelax wrote: he flip flops on oats using you as an out he has this idea that it is good being a sheep that it doesn't make him a creep. He isn't trying to give himself clout. You just filter dive, and post what suits your agenda... or actually read things in context? Why would I have a read on oats from the start? Course reads can flip flop prome. You know Day1 early reads are meaningless and subject to change. Your point is simply... stupid. My case on bugs is strong though it words it is not long but Mocs says its a policy doesn't see Bugs' idolatry Moc is misunderstanding a good case. What a shlong. The summary of your reasoning on me is: I dont like your bugs case.. so I must be bugs scum supporter. Thats weak ass reasoning. I still havent seen an actually case on Bugs, showing why what he is doing is scummy. All I have seen is some saying, writing "unreadable" is a tactic some have done as scum in the past. So yeah, its a fuckn policy lynch. I call it like I see it. When you can write a lame limerick, clearly detailing mafia motive in Bugs "white noise" filter, I will reconsider calling it a scum lynch. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:31 cDgCorazon wrote: Vivax: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 07:07 Vivax wrote: I don't think I said I wanted to hammer you it's just strange that you comment on someone's case as being very good without reacting to it by either voting for the guy in the case or putting it into relation with your own case. I don't understand why you are so afraid of me I just asked you something that made me curious Why aren't you trying to persuade me about the yamato lynch then? You too Kurumi I only asked you to write in a way that is understandable I don't get why you react like that (also you failed to roleplay didn't I break the Chezinu role or something like that ? ) Marv: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote: so, if you're intent on being lynched, why don't you tell us what your role is? hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia. By far the most interesting result of the case is that Corazon agrees with it, despite having played with Oats before (more than once I think?). Corazon, why don't you tell me in your own words why you think Oats is mafia, why don't you tell me how Oats' play is different this game than in Hiro's game. thanks bish. Mocsta: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 12:02 Mocsta wrote: Heres your filter dive (1) + Show Spoiler [yamato tunnel] + On March 10 2013 13:36 cDgCorazon wrote: Here's what I do not want to see from anyone in this town(in no particular order): Lurking BS Confusing Posts Being Scum Lying Decrypted Messages Being Scum Disagreeing with me Being Scum. So why do you immediately attack yamato? Surely it must be for something you put in your first list, right? On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote: Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're pursuing yamato for an absolutely stupid reason... Grammar & a stupid meta-hypothesis. its a 25 player game, and about a handful had posted; why the fuck would This is just stupid, meaningless aggression that goes no where. Then, there is your "question" to him: rhetorical at best, and derogatory at worst. Exactly the type of outcome town seeks ... NOT Lets keep chugging along please. You then continue discourse solely with Yamato even though he is politely saying I am not entering a war of words with you; and start talking about Duel mafia (instead of the actual game). You build lots of suspicion on yamato, and then, retreat. why... because maybe its a "personality influencing him" + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote: The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Then you rescind to a meta argument to support the yam claim.. which is interesting.. because you dont apply a meta read to oats (with SnB case) YET you just played Duel mafia with yamato and oats On March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote: Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable. More meaningless insults that go no where. On March 10 2013 16:19 cDgCorazon wrote: Yamato if you were playing to anyone's town meta you would not be playing this badly. You're just trying to stir up BS and you are calling people out for stuff that you have not done either (which basically means you called someone out for something). You aren't scumhunting, you're just throwing shit around. There's no need to do that. We find scum and lynch them. The fact that you are murking the water up means that you are not trying to scumhunt, which would make you not town. Why you so scummy? Again, more living in the past of Duel Mafia as reasoning for his Yamato tunneling. On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote: No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is. So Yamato, let me get this straight: You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum reads AND You're calling me out now for having a scumread. Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing. Absolute stupid vote rational. On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote: Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro... ##Vote: Yamato Gonna start scumhunting? So not only has this tunneling of Yamato been founded upon nothing except living in the past, and grammar. He now votes the guy, because he wasn't around when Corazon thinks he should be around.... ============= (2) + Show Spoiler [SnB] + CorazonWhen in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Here: Implicitly On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote: I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... (1) Says he has been scum hunting? I already proved his reasoning for targeting yamato were stupid and meaningless? (2) Clearly says the SnB case is convincing... why mention the deadline comment? Because it would lose traction. This is implicitly stating he would support it, if it came about later in the cycle. Yet he has the audacity to tell me, he never said anything of the sort? On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen. I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. And this is where he is setting himself up to move onto Oats whenever Yam loses traction. it reads pretty clear to me. tl;dr Corazon says he been scum hunting.. but the effort has been fruitless and lacking of town conviction. He hasnt obtained any real information from his target; nor prodded yamato for meaningful discourse. He then follows up with a vote, cos they guy might have been asleep or having a drink with mates - i.e. wasn't around for an hour. All meek attempts to scum hunt, and indicative of scum taking the easy road. Then with the SnB case, clearly says he likes it..but its a "townie" thing to push your own case instead so will do that. LOl Doesnt even give reasoning to why the case is good (when others clearly do not agree with it as valid on Oats) Again, setting himself up for an easy switch, if yam loses traction. Again, scummy play. ##Vote: Corazon These posts look very similar...are you sure you aren't piggybacking off of them? Kicking someone when they're down is not a very town thing to do, especially when you just rehash the arguments that knocked them down in the first place. Not looking good for you Moc. Right... Corazon lets make this clear. The posts you quoted, are general comments in the thread. Did they call you scum? The answer is no. Did they vote you? The answer is no. Did I call you scum and vote you? The answer is yes. I dont see any piggy backing + I was asleep when those posts were made regardless. Using your logic, the only people who can be town: are the ones who are first to raise an issue Thats dumb. And you know it. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:33 Promethelax wrote: marv, let me present exhibit d why Mocsta is scummy he herein calls me a greenie but also calls me scum, what a weanie so I say: moc is scum q.e.d. More rhymes for the sake of rhymes, with little to context. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:40 cDgCorazon wrote: It's shit like this that really makes me wonder if lynching Yamato D1 is a good idea... So you just basically called me scum for being flip-floppity about Oats and now you're being flip-floppity about Oats? Scum logic? LOL. completely different situation. How can you not tell? Entering conversation with Oats, I had a null read on him. I decided to prod him on some items, that actually gave me slight alignment reads on him. Thats a huge difference between what you and yamato did. I demonstrated in my case on you, how u just tunnel him with no care to find out more about yamato. I demonstarted in my case on you, how u liked SnB Oats case and set yourself up to jump shit as required. There is no similarity in our approach to the game Corazon. You are the one who exhibits scum logic. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:42 cDgCorazon wrote: So instead of dispelling my case..I have a problem when you piggyback off other people's arguments and then you can't even admit that you are piggybacking off of them. You're completely taking their momentum and just using it to run me into the ground...where's the town motivation behind that? Bring something new to the scum hunt. you try to trump it by saying I piggy backed people. Classic Scum strat Cora: attack the player, not the argument | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:48 cDgCorazon wrote: Once again, I have my reasons for voting Yamato. Read my filter... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=34#669 Already commented on the whole situation in my case on you. Your reasons for voting yamato were stupid and a weak attempt at justification. "I am voting for yam, because I expected him to comment right now" This is stupid.. and satisfies your weak reasoning for tunneling him in the first place (attacking a grammar post...) | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh Mocsta, discrediting everyone who attacks you as scum? I thought better of you. What's your beef with Promethelax? I'm serious, I want to know. I'm taking what he says at face value right now because I'm able to follow his thought process based on his posts - but if I should be suspicious then convince me rather than just trying to paint his rhyming as scummy. ??? Where do I call Prome scum I am saying, he is making arguments that are easy to rhyme >> making rhymes that explain his perspective in full context I said prior, out of all the rhymers, I liked prome the most. My request on him was simple (for ppl not posting in limericks) If bugs was scum, give more reasons than just.. because his filter is unreadable. The combination of his last limerick, and what you said, is starting to make some kind of sense. but.. i still prefer corazon. His unwillingness to address any points I raise to him by throwing ad-hominem comments around is very concerning. My vote remains on corazon. | ||
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On March 11 2013 13:07 VisceraEyes wrote: What is your point on him? That his reaction to someone else's case on someone else was forced? What are you even trying to say with this point? Why does what you're saying he's doing about someone else's case about someone else make him scum necessarily? I presume you are talking to me? My point on him is 2 (1) Yamato.. That is his sole "scum hunt" target so far. And the attempts are poor. He is never trying to discern Yamato alignment. Instead, he just insta-calls yam scum, and uses references from "duel mafia" as excuses to keep tunneling him. This is then followed up by a vote, cos the guy was not around to comment on something. Its all pretty weak attempts, and play I wouldnt expect even from a newbie town. (2) Oats case Yes, my problem is that the case on SnB had nice points; but it doesnt apply to Oats game. I already said why in 1 sentence. "Oats town game: is all about pointing fingers and asking dumb questions". Consider, Cora just played with oats, and said he agreed with SnB case.. but never extrapolated. (even though he used the same game to give a meta scum read on yam....thats funny play right there) So yeah, I think its scummy that he tunnels yamato so hard, yet, leaves him an option to jump ship to oats. ======= The magic third point then is how he responded to pressure. Instead of answering any of my accusations; he just tries to throw the case away by saying i am "plagiarizing" Thats how scum try to side-step cases. | ||
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On March 11 2013 13:37 cDgCorazon wrote: 1. His initial reaction to my case. Yamato's first reaction to my case is basically calling it stupid. Why did he call it stupid? A case being stupid just because it is against you is not a legitimate defense. He basically refused to answer my main points: 2. He is playing absolutely nothing like his town meta The usual town Yamato is active, fearless, and does not care about anyone else's opinions. This should be ridiculously obvious from his duel with Hapa from Duel Mafia. As you can see from the quote in my original argument, he did not care if he died, as long as his top scumread went down with him. He was spot on in his duel with Hapa and that should have fueled his confidence even higher from this game (Marv said in Obs QT how Yamato was being a bit cocky at the beginning from getting the scumteam in the game before Duel Mafia). A town Yamato would be riding this wave of confidence. Instead, what have we seen from Yamato so far? A whole different game. His game has been far from aggressive. He's been timid, crumbled under pressure, run away from challenges, and has gone hiding while the town deliberates who to lynch. 3. Lurking and lack of scum hunting Yamato's filter has been a lot of 1-liners and shitting up the thread. He's been attacking players, but not following through on them. His initial attacks on VE were based on one very weak point, yet he continued to call VE scum without expanding on that point. His other scumhunting contributions have been wondering whether Kurumi is the next coming of Chezinu, and that bugs might be scum (without any explanation) His defense of me was basically backing down and trying to avoid confrontation with my argument. His whole defense was that my read was wrong because it was on him. I don't think so. Ever since then, he basically disappeared from the thread, only to reenter to: 4. His kill (?) of Kurumi I honestly don't understand this move. If he knew Kurumi was town and if Yamato was town, Yamato would not have gone on to kill Kurumi. Anyone who would kill a townie cannot possibly be town. Is that bad logic? Another possibility is that he is lying, but what would he gain from that? Could he be trying to cover for someone else? Either way, there is no town motivation in either his check/kill of Kurumi or claim of what happened to Kurumi. These are the reasons I think Yamato is scum and that he needs to be lynched. I, Corazon, the King of Hearts, decree that Yamato must be lynched, or this town shall feel my wrath! I am a good host, so you will not receive a points deduction for prioritising your "scum read" case, over addressing my points against you. Having said that, the case put forth is sub-par: 1. His initial reaction to my case. Disagree with the tell. Did the exact same thing with both me and jaybrundage in nomination mafia (as town). Your tell is m00t. 2. He is playing absolutely nothing like his town meta Your giving a meta read from one game? Are you not the guy that got ripped a new one for telling Marv how to apply meta in Duel mafia? o.0 Fact is: this is a themed game where some are choosing to imitate their personalities. As long as they dont hide behind the personality to fake-hunt.. all good in my books. Disagree with the tell. Whether he plays like town meta or not, is irrelevant in a game such as this. Your tell is m00t (and hypocritical to boot: was yam not "fearless" in calling VE scum?) 3. Lurking and lack of scum hunting Several in the thread were doubting Kurumi before the town announcement? Does this mean they lacked scum hunting in their filter as well? The game hadn't even migrated past 24hrs, and you calling out someone with multiple posts a lurker? This is truly grasping at straws. Disagree with the tell. 4. His kill (?) of Kurumi Agree with the tell, as does pretty much everyone else in the thread. <sarcasm>Why you piggy backing off others...</sarcasm> tl;dr You throw shit over my case on you, using ad-hominem arguments. You then proceed to ignore my case, by developing said case against yamato. The case against yamato is sub-par; much like your justification to vote him, and your reasons to immediately tunnel him. OK, so I give you some conviction points for sticking to your guns; but overall, the effort looks lazy with hastily conjured points to boot. I don't like -at all- Yamato Kill action of a mod-confirmed town; but you, cDgCorazon; are still my top scum read. | ||
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On March 11 2013 14:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I assume they all hold the same weight (1 vote). Big assumption to make? | ||
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On March 11 2013 13:18 Stutters695 wrote: Hiro is not the traitor we seek today. More than this I can't really say. "traitor" interesting choice of words. OK, you can't talk more about the traitor.. why don't you talk more about who we should lynch? | ||
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On March 11 2013 05:16 Promethelax wrote: So I lay down my vote to elect this thug though I've read the thread slow as a slug, for the moment I think he is our best flip this man is scum, though he hasn't scum-slipped. So for now I say ##Vote: Bugs Prome, this was the exact reason I struggled with to support a bugs lynch. The filter was white-noise with no definitive scum-tells. However, having gone through WBG filter (as best I could) I noticed he said this ~20min after the town annoucement of Kurumi. On March 11 2013 07:25 wherebugsgo wrote: I didnt realise he was aware Kurumi was town, and still openly supported his death. I can't make any sense of this from a town perspective. Yam is dodgy too, but at least he has his "pro gf snipe" comment. Bugs does indeed have "nothing".the man in the sky tells us the rat is not a rat but a mouse but the not-rat (actually a mouse) says he may be a mouse with a mask today and a rat tomorrow. "Today I die," the mouse says. And, he says, he will not tell us when he turns into a rat! Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence. So is this mouse a mouse under the bridge, or a mouse over the bridge? I say, brothers, that we burn the mouse and say our prayers, for it shall be safer for us if the mouse does not become rabid. With this context, and what prome/VE said before; I can agree to put Corazon on hold (for this cycle). ##Vote: WBG | ||
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On March 11 2013 15:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Mocsta you're just inventing reasoning to stay on Cora at this point. Confirmation bias is something I didn't expect from you. You continue to surprise me again and again, and not in a good way. [fluff] Firstly VE thanks for the <3; but my other former newbie coaches would beg to differ [/fluff] Regardless, I am not seeing this confirmation bias? What I see is: Corazon calls out yamato for dodging his case as "stupid" thus = scum Then Corazon proceeds to replicate this behaviour when I make a case on him! Riddle me this: Do you disagree with my corazon assessment, because You think corazon is town? OR because you think my case is biased/weak? | ||
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On March 11 2013 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Corazon's case on Yamato reads as very sincere and I think he's town. His attack on yamato is fueled by the belief that he's scum. Contrast that with, for instance, Vivax' attack on yamato. Well yes I can agree that there is a distinct lack of "care factor" in what you presented of Vivax. However, us normal voters can only support one lynch. And based on Kurumi actions, I would rather vote the guy that knowingly supported a mod-confirmed townie death; than the guy who "non-nonchalantly voted the mod-confirmed townies killer" Steering back to Corazon: OK you read some conviction and think he is sincere; however, I don't share that opinion. I dont see why conviction in a push reads as townish sincerity. Does the push not need to be supplemented with a well-reasoned approach to warrant the tunnel? Corazon early case on yamato all revolved around yamato actions in Duel Mafia. Considering this is a shift from a normal -> themed game; that is pretty weak reasoning from Corazon, and presents a nice excuse to tunnel away - with conviction. Also, Corazon never tries to explore the mindset of yamato, instead he just badgers yamato calling him scum.. where is the town sincerity in those actions? | ||
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So your logic was if u hit Mafia u get a DT check And If u hit town u took out someone shitting up the thread? Is that correct? I'm still not sure why u would take this gamble without raising it as a question. I thought more people were hating bugs at the time than kurumi, unless u referring to him specifically about being town only today comments. | ||
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Are u suggesting yam actions are a direct by product of your wisdom and guidance? | ||
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Why do u need a DT check? That argument is moot yamato. I'm still figuring out if u day vigged just like chezinu in Mafia LX... There is percent for ya play.. U was under some heat and maybe decided to use the power while u could on someone u hoped no one would care much about.. If u agreed with prom that kurumi was greener than bugs... Why scan kurumi. This makes no sense and is a big flaw in your story. | ||
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On March 11 2013 17:51 wherebugsgo wrote: tell me, oh wise one: does your toilet flush in the right direction? If a man were to announce to all: I am telling the truth: I am Mocsta. My name is my identity. The Australians are the best. What would you smell? For I, if I were the Mocsta, I would smell rat. In most situations I would agree. But darthpunk is the highest tl win rate in the database, so yes. Australians are the best according to statistics.no rat smelt there. Can I ask if u targeted kurumi due to role pm requirements? | ||
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On March 11 2013 18:08 yamato77 wrote: The things that made him see Kurumi green happened after the shot had been decided. Don't go too deep thinking about this, it's really simple. I used my role on Kurumi knowing that he might die, because him dying might have actually been a good thing for town today. Thread atmosphere was extremely anti-scumhunt for a good part of the last day. It is now pro-scumhunt. Mission accomplished. Yeah I am not so sure on the bolded part. Considering @ 05:18 Prome votes bugs. + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 05:18 Promethelax wrote: I see bugs thinks it is the New Years but his posting, in me, instils fear. This bugs is useless and dumb his posts do not attempt to find scum; this man does not deserve to be here. I say our WBG is corrupted his blood, when it flows, will be red. I say we must hang him, many people harangue him. He should end up dead. So I lay down my vote to elect this thug though I've read the thread slow as a slug, for the moment I think he is our best flip this man is scum, though he hasn't scum-slipped. So for now I say ##Vote: Bugs @ 07:06 we receive your scan check announcement (1hr30min after prome WBG vote) @ 7.09 Prome releases: That one is good, one is bad [in his opinion]. Obviously with a vote on bugs, the infer is that Kurumi is good. Obviously to make this post, enough content was warranted prior for prome to update the read publically. The timing of the post, indicates the thought process was conceived before the announcement was made as well. So its just not adding up with why you would choose kurumi >> bugs. + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 07:09 Promethelax wrote: These two opponents are both looking for rodents while not scum hunting like they could I'd take a gamble and say that one is no good. No wonder of lynching each other they are proponents. Now marv, my good friend the day will soon come to an end. Who is it you'd most like to swing? Which lad do you must want to sing? You aren't shy, don't pretend. I get that the specific dichotomy comment didnt come till when the kill was already going to be executed. But im still struggling to swallow why you would rationalise taking this gamble on Kurumi > Bugs. Now, if you had referred to this On March 11 2013 06:47 Kurumi wrote: oh I will repeat that I AM A SCUM ROLE AND I AM TOWN ALIGNED AND I WANT TO DIE SO WE CAN AVOID THE POSSIBILITY OF ME BEING A MOLE thanks Which conveniently occurs about 15min before your scan announcement, I would consider the situation a lot more as a town motivated scan. Because, that was indeed shitting up the thread and creating massive WIFOM bombs. But, you never pointed this out in your arguments for shooting Kurumi. Like I said, the story isn't selling itself that well for me - even when I am trying to keep it simple | ||
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if yam is town for u.. Who is ya top read so far? | ||
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I see. Interesting point actually. Makes me feel a lot better about prplhz. (& yam) I cant see scum making a comment like that. | ||
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This is my worst nightmare. 20 pages of thread to read with rhymers... In case someone has a specific question for me, I will check the latest posts in about 30min; otherwise, will respond to things once I have caught up with the thread. | ||
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On March 12 2013 07:45 cDgCorazon wrote: Are you voting for me, due to the fact that I am your top scumread? Unlike what you have done so far, I've put my vote where my mouth is. ?? My vote is on WBG On March 11 2013 16:02 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: WBG For about 15hrs now... | ||
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Wow, so much bullshit to read through. Biggest thing that stood out for me is SnB consideration of snipe phrase (pro GF snipe) It definitely gives some explanation for the delay (45min from phrase activation, instead of 2hrs from check). I really dont like how yam hasnt commented on whether more bullets are around. SEVERAL people have asked him repeatedly. My vote remains on Bugs, everything is just unreadable; and even Vivax voted himself as scum in Mafia LX, so i dont read into the martyr too much. ===== I am off to buy Heart of the Swarm | ||
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hmmm im surprised xfire gaining so much momentum. Notice that as he has received more pressure, he has stopped roleplaying and is offering his services to town. I read sincerity and conviction in what he is saying. Or as the vets seem to say : congruence between actions/words. I am still pro-bugs, even though he might not be posting due to time zone.. his last posts did nothing except make me laugh (i.e. the dog gif) | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:31 yamato77 wrote: I consent to any of Vivax, Super, Bugs, Foolish or Ver hanging My vote will stay where it is because I only have time to type this post at work. If I die, so be it, but I highly doubt you guys will be happy when you find out I lied about nothing Still so many outstanding questions addressed to you yamato. i.e. (1) Can you fire again (2) Was the shoot automatic, or did you need a keyword | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:37 marvellosity wrote: apparently i wasn't even explicit enough according to kita. whatever. ohh.. the claim was a role requirement...? | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:39 Dandel Ion wrote: Cross still best lynch, and nobody trying to convince otherwise. Do you not read or something I wrote this 5min ago On March 12 2013 11:33 Mocsta wrote: Hi guys, back. HotS installing hmmm im surprised xfire gaining so much momentum. Notice that as he has received more pressure, he has stopped roleplaying and is offering his services to town. I read sincerity and conviction in what he is saying. Or as the vets seem to say : congruence between actions/words. I am still pro-bugs, even though he might not be posting due to time zone.. his last posts did nothing except make me laugh (i.e. the dog gif) I am not supporting a xfire lynch.. The guy has stopped role playing to save himself. and seems sincere in wanting to aid town last minute. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote: You haven't looked at my profile have you? LOL.. gotcha hmm the games we played, i cant remember you claiming.. but yeah, got it. damn it.. i was hoping marv coudl be the leader this town needed.. now we dont even know if the claim (of a town role) is valid. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:44 marvellosity wrote: Apparently I have to say that I'm a parity cop with the aforementioned targets. Sadly this leaves me no wiggle room and is REALLY FUCKING DULL. YES I AM TALKING TO YOU. LOL thats def VE hahah and I only played like 2 games with him and I can tell hahah | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Well in one we were all VTs and in the other I was VT and won mayor D1 and got shot N1...so I'm not surprised. Touche My preference is still Bugs Dandel needs to get off that xfire train. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:47 marvellosity wrote: so how about dat Vivax lynch? Yeah interesting points. With 1.. the read sounds like something Toad would say So not sure how much I count that.. other than, I didnt start to think xfire was town until he was under heat and stopped roleplaying, and started to offer his services. (I think that came after Vivax declaration) As for 2. And I dont like how Vivax is baiting us to keep bugs around because of his "little theory". I think Vivax is worthy of scrutinty, but we still need to lynch bugs. He hasnt offered anything to the game, other than attack kurumi and prplhz without providing any sound reasoning. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:50 marvellosity wrote: I trust dandel, prome, and VE more than most in this game, so it seems ok. Foolishness is a liar and quite possibly mafia but that will have to wait. I have townish reads on prome + VE.. but dandel? This is my first game with him, but not seeing it marv? | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:53 iamperfection wrote: you do not have enough votes the bug man is a good lynch and who should be killed. and i can not get past not trusting the foolish one. You realise the double negative reads: I can *GET* past trusting the foolish one? | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:56 marvellosity wrote: I should add, where Dandel was mafia. K. I will have a quick read of that next cycle. I think British 2 was short (didnt read it) | ||
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On March 12 2013 12:09 iamperfection wrote: .................................. .................. .......... ..... ... maybe you should read a bit closer ?? [Bugs win-con] You win when the Brown outnumber all other players. SnB was the first to say he could be 3rd party (as jester) but whatever | ||
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On March 12 2013 12:13 cDgCorazon wrote: Maybe you should read a bit closer Moc. His win-con was to survive the game. there is no "brown"... What I wrote was the same thing (brown outnumber all other players) Regardless.. he wasnt scum, which sucks (cos they still have 3KP).. but.. we still eliminated an anti-town role. So it was a much better than a mislynch. | ||
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On March 12 2013 12:12 Acrofales wrote: (but I am realizing that I suck at roleplaying my personality). Is this meant to be a claim? | ||
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On March 12 2013 12:13 cDgCorazon wrote: Maybe you should read a bit closer Moc. His win-con was to survive the game. there is no "brown"... Anyways.. are you going to continue to pussy foot around my case on you? You still have not addressed a single item from there... | ||
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On March 12 2013 12:17 Acrofales wrote: Yes. I am claiming that I have a personality! I know that you have been out of town, so i can live with the useless activity for Day 1. But now that you are back.. i am going to be watching you *very* carefully | ||
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On March 12 2013 12:22 Acrofales wrote: Does that mean there's someone you're not watching carefully? No. Im watching everyone carefully And people like YOU... *Very* carefully | ||
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On March 12 2013 12:41 cDgCorazon wrote: Well besides the fact that I've figured out you are going to defend Yamato to the bitter end, there's not much to say about the case. However, the fact that you called me your #1 scumread and then switched off of me once it was obvious I wasn't getting lynched is a pretty suspicious. #1 - Im not defending yamato to the bitter end. I want answers from him (unfortunately as much as you seem to want to) I was pointing out, your case felt contrived and that you seem to string together points hastily. I was debunking your case, not yamato. #2 - You were my #1 read till I noticed Bugs was pressuring kurumi after the mod confirm. That was scummier for me than the things you had done. With Bugs gone, you're back in the mix for me.. im not letting you brush off my pressure - as currently you still have not addressed I single issue I raised to you... *And guess what.. you called out yamato as scum for doing the same thing, you are doing to me* | ||
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On March 12 2013 13:30 cDgCorazon wrote: Perhaps it never occurred to you: that I didn't think the answers in your filter are sufficient.I did not throw shit on your case against me. Everything you had attacked me about (my reaction to BnS and tunneling Yamato) was stuff that others had attacked me about as well and that I had answered already. Most of your case was stuff I had answered too already, so I basically went and told you to read my filter. It's not "You don't like the case because it's sub-par" It's "The case is sub-par because you do not like it". You're basically defending Yamato by attacking me and completely ignoring my points, just using stuff I said in Duel Mafia to try to make it look like I am contradicting myself. On the topic of Duel Mafia, I never said anywhere that I had a town read on Oats in duel mafia. I had attacked him early on in the game before it because apparent that there were people way obviously scummier than him. So don't say I thought Oats was town in that game. You are free to not like my case, but you are not free to use your opinion on the case to call me scum. That you do, suggests we are at an impasse. When I get back from HotS. I will re-read over your filter answers, and communicate my issues with your play (i.e. why I think you are scummy) with a different approach. | ||
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On March 12 2013 13:53 cDgCorazon wrote: Perhaps if you had communicated that in a better way (aka saying which things in my filter did not answer Vivax's and Marv's questions properly) instead of simply rephrasing their questions could've been more beneficial to the both of us. Thats a fuckn cheap shot, and precisely the type of behaviour which is why I think you are scum. I case on you, was governed by items I found problematic in your play. It so happened that some others picked it up prior. Didnt realise this game was a competition to identify scummy behaviour first...and then, that point is out of bounds for everyone else. Wake up corazon. | ||
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On March 12 2013 14:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Scum knew Bugs was going to flip not scum. Scum have virtually no motivation to make a spectacle of switching at the last minute onto Vivax if he's townie, and definitely no scum motivation for switching onto him if he's scum. Scenarios I can envision scum switching onto townVivax are few. Primarily among them though, to save scum who are on the block otherwise. Obviously not Bugs, but maybe one of Yamato/Crossfire. I unvoted Crossfire because he was here and willing to lynch Vivax, and Yamato because his recent posting has not been as scummy as his earlier posting. However, that leaves the question: which one and which switchers. The question I'm interested in answering is: are there scum between Vivax, Yamato and Crossfire. This is the question I intend to answer overnight. I can work with that direction. Sounds reasonable. I will have a flick through what everyone said of xfire.. perhaps my reasons for his town read were flawed.. i really thought I read sincerity in his last couple of posts, but i guess, scum have an equal desire to avoid the lynch as well. [fluff] HotS is bullshit. After you install it, it needed a 2gb download to play. Pretty frustrating wait for a brand new game. (But the campaign is OK so far) | ||
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On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum? | ||
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On March 12 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie. Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same. Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you. hmm.. well you can only have one lynch a cycle. With the information currently, do you prefer foolishness or vivax? | ||
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On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote: I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof. I can accept that. Thank fuck your not writing 5 paragraph stories anymore. Would be painful if every case you made had to be formatted like that. So if your reads are evolving: what do you think of what VE proposed prior? i.e. Do you think scum were trying to create multiple wagons - other than bugs.. or were content with him as a lynch? & One of yam/xfire/vivax = scum? | ||
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On March 12 2013 16:24 Oatsmaster wrote: I just think its not really a very useful defense honestly. It doesnt really help Vivax and all it does is make you look good. if the defense is no good... how does it make foolishness look good? im not sure vivax is an easy/direct meta read, so im not sold on the vivax defense. but i do accept that his read changed throughout the cycle. in the end, it appears we want the same thing from foolishness. i.e. his revised scum read. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Yamato = Keep] + Leaning Town The crux: the "anonymous" vigilante argument. Yam has been questioned numerous times whether he had a kill activation phrase. His response: On March 12 2013 14:20 yamato77 wrote: And no, before you ask, I am not answering any more stupid fucking questions about my role. All you need to know is in my filter. On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote: First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it. + Show Spoiler + Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring. Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment. The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. I can roll with that as its a play on the dreamflower role PM: On March 11 2013 17:33 Mocsta wrote: Dreamflower role = Check scum => vig shot... check town => no shotYam, sounds like your role is a play on dream flower from personality 1. So your logic was if u hit Mafia u get a DT check And If u hit town u took out someone shitting up the thread? Is that correct? I'm still not sure why u would take this gamble without raising it as a question. I thought more people were hating bugs at the time than kurumi, unless u referring to him specifically about being town only today comments. The way he has repeatedly stuck to his guns with the role dynamics is in a similar vein to what I have come to expect from a town yamato (brush it all off nonchalantly because he "knows" he is town, nothing sticks: attitude). So even though I don't agree with his approach for the check (and it seems this is the main sticking point for a scum yam). I do believe the role dynamics => he was "anonymous". Now some are saying, yam had the balls and insight to claim as scum (similar situation to vivax fake-claiming vig in mafia LX).. I disagree. I think (yes) has the balls to make this play... BUT I dont think he had the *more important* insight. Why? Because, he has been questioned repeatedly from all directions. Yet, when giving justification; never considers "this anonymity insight" as a motive for the shot. Fact: Yam is impulsive. I am confident if he was aware of this "insight" he would have thrown it into the mix instantly to clear himself. This never happened. Yam is an anonymous vigilante, that decided to claim the scalp because he thought it was pro-town to remove someone shitting up the thread. The reason I give "leaning town" vs "probably town" is because his play has been pretty timid for a usual town yamato, so I want to exercise a bit more caution before giving full trust. + Show Spoiler [Crossfire99=Vig] + Probably scum My read has shifted. I thought this guy was trying to communicate better by dropping the roleplaying act. I also thought he was genuinely trying to aid town with his final posts.. i.e. On March 12 2013 11:00 Crossfire99 wrote: Sorry I played so terribly. I deserve to be lynched. Watch vivax because he pegged me as town even though i played like crap. Watch out for dandel. he might be scum but i'm not sure cause i've only been scum when i've played with him. On March 12 2013 11:19 Crossfire99 wrote: Those posts read as a sincere plea from a townie to me.Uh is there anything specific you guys want me to focus on to make sure I spend some time on before the lynch? I'm trying to catch up, but need to know what would be the most helpful. The problem is what eventuated from that plea. (1) he calls out SS with his Dandel Ion scum read & (2) the meat and veg of his late-cycle contribution(s) + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 11:48 Crossfire99 wrote: Yeah I am unsure on Yamato, so I don't want to lynch him. There's some good and bad. It's good that he calls out super. It's good that he wants to lynch bugs. It's good that he claimed his kill of kurumi. It was bad that he actually killed kurumi. It's weird that he want from instantly voting me at the very beginning of the game, to me only be a possibility of a lynch later on + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 02:02 yamato77 wrote: The delay for my role was built in. As for my Marv read... Hm. Gonna have to reread his filter closely. Super, I will say, is being especially useless and obviously lurky. Nothing has changed about Bugs. Not sold on Cross/Stutters, but the possibility exists there. Not good lynches. Sloosh needs more attention for being a useless pile of lurking shit, I definitely still want to lynch wbg cause he's done nothing but attack kurumi even when he knew he was modconfirmed town, plus he just trolled the thread when called out and doesn't even care about doing anything. I'm keeping my vote on wbg. Decides to stand in the middle with one of the key discussion topics: Yamato. If you finish with "He'll have to be looked into more" & don't add anything new to the discussion, why bother to comment in the first place? Reads as a guy looking to contribute, without making an effort. & (3)Ends up sticking with his sheep vote on WBG, after promising to "catch up on the thread and focus on key areas"... Basically, Crossfire99 sold me on the emotional plea; and now that I have had to chance to review what the outcome of his focus is.. I am left severely disappointed. The late-cycle contributions were on par with when he was roleplaying. I think Crossfire99 would make a superb vig target tonight. | ||
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My new approach is: Instead of commenting on my case on you; I will continue discourse via the posts you replied to others (As you are so insistent that I am piggy backing...) (1) From VE On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote: I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... Why are you so concerned about your image: that you need to declare you were the first to scum hunt? Everyone has to scum hunt: town, scum & 3rd party. You throw this out as if it should imply you are confirmed town? (2) From Vivax On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: Vivax raises a good point.I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen. I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. You said you like SnB case; but its big. Why do you think it is applicable to Oats? Your response: "I care about my image.. & i dont want you to try and make me look bad" Why are you so concerned about your image when talking to others? Town Corazon normally is happy to share his tunneled thoughts.. this Corazon is thinking about what conversations make him come off looking better.. What gives? If you really did want to push your scum read. you could have said simply "I like the SnB case on oats, but I think yam is scummier. Im sticking with him" Instead: you provide reasoning on everything Vivax DIDN'T ask. You then continue discussion, and bring up trust as your reason for not providing more. I dont see what trust has got to do with with sharing reasoning and thought? Everyone is trying to get reads on eachother, and you are making this task intentionally more difficult by choosing to share when it only benefits you (3) From Marvellosity On March 11 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote: Dude, this shitty logic is bad for your standards Marv. Why are you attacking me for having the same view as you? We literally just said the same thing (like the case but don't want to vote for it). You are saying that you are not going to vote because it does not make Oats mafia and I said I'd rather see Yamato lynched than Oats. What is the problem with that? The thing is, Oats' meta is not the main part of the case. BnS laid out many reasons as to why he thinks Oats is scum and I just made a comment that I liked his case and that it had a lot of valid points in it. Let me ask you this Marv: Would you rather I... Say "I agree with SnB" and just vote for Oats? or Say "I think it's a good case but I'm going to continue to scumhunt and push my top scum read" If you prefer #1 it would be such a glaring scumtell. If "not sheeping SnB" is what you mean by the "same view" then yes.. you and Marv are common. But that is not at all what Marv was talking about. His question was written in simple terms too; so its odd how you can even proceed to outright misinterpret the request. Regardless, you again proceed to image based defense... justifying your logic as making a decision on which outcome makes you look townier. (4) Mocsta - More of a summary as I said I was commenting on "piggybacked" commentary. Now my original arguments put forth to you, were separate to the above (yet you refuse to see it). My main issues with you, was that you set yourself up to move to an Oats vote, if Yam lose traction. You reciprocate by throwing ad-hominem commentary all over the shop: never looking into what I am actually saying. And then there is your lone case on Yamato, which was debunked with the about the same amount of effort it takes to sit on the toilet with a tablet to boot. Heres a reminder: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 14:55 Mocsta wrote: I am a good host, so you will not receive a points deduction for prioritising your "scum read" case, over addressing my points against you. Having said that, the case put forth is sub-par: 1. His initial reaction to my case. Disagree with the tell. Did the exact same thing with both me and jaybrundage in nomination mafia (as town). Your tell is m00t. 2. He is playing absolutely nothing like his town meta Your giving a meta read from one game? Are you not the guy that got ripped a new one for telling Marv how to apply meta in Duel mafia? o.0 Fact is: this is a themed game where some are choosing to imitate their personalities. As long as they dont hide behind the personality to fake-hunt.. all good in my books. Disagree with the tell. Whether he plays like town meta or not, is irrelevant in a game such as this. Your tell is m00t (and hypocritical to boot: was yam not "fearless" in calling VE scum?) 3. Lurking and lack of scum hunting Several in the thread were doubting Kurumi before the town announcement? Does this mean they lacked scum hunting in their filter as well? The game hadn't even migrated past 24hrs, and you calling out someone with multiple posts a lurker? This is truly grasping at straws. Disagree with the tell. 4. His kill (?) of Kurumi Agree with the tell, as does pretty much everyone else in the thread. <sarcasm>Why you piggy backing off others...</sarcasm> tl;dr You throw shit over my case on you, using ad-hominem arguments. You then proceed to ignore my case, by developing said case against yamato. The case against yamato is sub-par; much like your justification to vote him, and your reasons to immediately tunnel him. OK, so I give you some conviction points for sticking to your guns; but overall, the effort looks lazy with hastily conjured points to boot. I don't like -at all- Yamato Kill action of a mod-confirmed town; but you, cDgCorazon; are still my top scum read. I won't delve any further into my commentary with you, because you already made it clear you won't comment on my argument, you only comment on me as a person. Again more image-centric tactics. ======================================== Your modus operandi is quite clear now from 4 separate discussions: Its not about hunting scum.. its about looking the best you can Verdict: Probably Scum | ||
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On March 12 2013 18:20 Foolishness wrote: I still 100% support a yamato lynch. I am also on board a crossfire lynch. I was skeptical of him at first, but after seeing his reactions right before and after the lynch I will gladly kill him (I haven't thoroughly analyzed him like I have yamato or Vivax though). I am against a yamato lynch as per http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=78#1541 Will boogie onto Xfire though. Q: You said you have some familiarity with Vivax... is that meta-read based on "history" or, "because you gave him prior games a quick peruse?" | ||
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On March 12 2013 18:34 Promethelax wrote: It is for posts like this I like Yam don't don't the man his play has been below par but he deserves that fair hearing of ours leave him alone overnight, understand? Agreed.. this is the post that made me reconsider my negative read on yam and treat the anonymous vig argument as real. | ||
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On March 12 2013 20:19 marvellosity wrote: i have no idea why people are listening to foolish at all this game. he outried lied to put suspicion on me (said he was always suspicious of me when we played together), THEN lied again when i pulled him up (said we'd played town once), and THEN corrected his story once again to that he found me suspicious in the game I smurfed (LIX), which for the uneducated was the game I tunnelled 2 mafia Day 1, got elected and lynched a mafia, then lynched mafia every day It's piles upon piles of lies as an excuse to call me suspicious, and it's all fucking bullshit. He still hasn't explained WHY HE WOULD LIE ABOUT IT in order to call me suspicious. Yeah, im still sussing out foolishness too. His filter essentially bases all his reads for Vivax/Yamato on Fruity Mafia, which is odd to me considering his recent game count on TL Mafia. Do you know if Foolishness is a big meta reader or in-game behaviour reader? I would have assumed with his lack of participation in TL games recently, he would default to in-game behaviour? | ||
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On March 12 2013 20:45 Promethelax wrote: So I know Moc, oats and Yam are awake mr marv said one thing and escaped I soon am going to bed please use your heads with your actions don't make mistakes Lol just got home, but heading out for dinner. I will def entertain you with discourse when I get back home though | ||
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On March 12 2013 21:48 strongandbig wrote: Anyway I'm glad we didn't end up killing crossfire; his posting really shaped up after I left last night, and if I'd been around I would have switched off of him. Not sure onto who, probably vivax. I normally read the whole thread before posting to bits.. but this... i had to make an exception. I was a xfire supporter before the lynch.. but post.. did you read what I wrote on the matter? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=78#1541 In short: valid vig target | ||
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You have a hard-on for Foolishness because he was the only one that defended your 'town' honour. Consider this... already he "knew" you were town.. actually makes a bit of sense. One of the best TL Mafia players comes in Says a big story bullshit post, that says implies Vivax is mafia with no reasoning Ppl starting coming up with reasons, and the Vivax train train leaves the station. Then Foolishness openly declares you town based on "meta...".. and if you flip he looks like the awesome scum killer as per his reputation Now, whether my "tale" is true or not. i dont know. You will have to ask foolishness. But when the a majority of the thread is against you, and guy defends you SOLELY on meta... i think thats concerning. You're one of the most unpredictable guys on this forum, and by virtue one of the hardest to read on meta.. yet he does it having played one/two games with you?? Something is not adding up here. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz. I said im watching you first. So your list means diddly squat. You keep pretending to make those contributions Acro. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:41 marvellosity wrote: What's the point in this post, Mocsta? :/ We know that hes been on a business trip so hasnt had time to critically think about the thread. I accept that. However, he said he is critically up to around page 25 or something.. and calling out people already. (conveniently no vets to boot) thats just stupid? page 25 is still early game, and a lot happened in the next 50 pages. Its him trying to show a sign of life, and for what reason: other than caring about image. So yes, my post has a point: I don't like Acro so far and am very eager to hear him flesh out his scum reads in the next say, 24hrs. I am making it clear to him I have not forgotten he is on the playing roster. | ||
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Vivax Its annoying you just ignore what I wrote about Foolishness and him being the only person that saw you as town If he was more pro-town, I could agree with your read (i.e. probably town). But with the lying and low thread presence etc; it casts much doubt of the validity of his read. Now I am assuming here you are town: cos you defending someone so hard due solely to them thinking you were town when no one else did. But the more you keep ignoring valid arguments (e.g. lying etc) the quicker this heuristic gets thrown out the window. | ||
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It has a good calmness about it. ============ My problem is the first half. Vivax. Your defending Foolishness purely off what you *THINK* his intentions were from his story post? What about everything else? What if you have misjudged his intentions (which HE explained as... he thought you were scum so wrote a post about his scum read). Are you saying he lied about that? i.e. On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote: I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:49 yamato77 wrote: So you're just going to repeat the past 4-5 pages of thread and act as if its a revelation because it came out of your ass.For reference, this is the justification he gives for thinking I'm mafia: I have a history of being abrasive as any alignment. Ask anyone who has ever played with me, period. Also of note, scum Hapa used this same stupid fucking argument to justify his scum read on me in Duel/TTABE Mafia. Not a good reason, and complete bullshit. This is pathetic and not good enough. Hold Foolish accountable for justifying his reads, because he fucking isn't. Another inaccurate meta analysis. Vivax is derpy as town, read LIX. He's also constructed as mafia, in LVIII. He tries as either alignment. You can't just brush him off as mafia just because he posts more than one fucking line. Complete lie, and something Foolish knows isn't true. Scum Foolish is hoping no one calls him on his bullshit that knows better. I know better. Read the fucking games, realize Foolish is lying, and lynch his lazy scummy ass. What was the point of this post? The EXACT same info is already there... Right now, I want to know your read on Vivax. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote: Kinda a suspicious attitude given the playerlist this game. Policy lynch me ahead of Foolish or Ver or BC or super if they're alive? [fluff] I know those guys are super vets & all But.. do they still play enough to be at the peak of their game? | ||
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If you want to policy lynch him in LYLO watever... we are in Night 1 - its not relevant Fact: marv filter has a good consistency in approach. I get an overall vibe that he is trying to really piece this game together & making an effort to communicate his point to get the other person to see his thought process. Thats pretty towny. His points also don't feel contrived. Scum happy to put a piece into the mix, and fuck off. I am not seeing that behaviour here. Marv is a *Very* valid medic save this night. + He claimed parity cop. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:16 yamato77 wrote: Vivax filter 6 pages. You gonna have to wait for that read until after noon my time, in about three hours. KK. I just wanted a "at this point" read. But if you awnt to do a read like SnB above.. no worries Im going to bed, and look forward to reading your feedback. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:18 Vivax wrote: And how does it affect your read on him if he doesn't get roleblocked? Yeah agree with Yam. WIFOM This isnt a standard game. To RB in personality 1.. IIRC the guy had to do something specific to active the power. + my town read isnt based on the cop claim. I am saying thats icing on the cake. You dont like marv, cos he pushign you.. whatever.. discard that info. and look how he has pushed his agenda on everything else. One example is corazon... (now yes I have a vested interest in corazon) but the point remains, he went out of his way to communicate his read in an alternative manner because people didnt get it... there are other examples in his filter. Overall, I think he has been pretty fuckning transparent; and if a mayor election was in this game, I would throw my vote his way. I dont see who else could be a viable alternative? Maybe VE, but he has disappeared for a bit now. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:25 Vivax wrote: yamato is a better lynch actually Now this I disagree with outright. Anonymous vig claim holds for this cycle. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:30 Vivax wrote: Your whole town read on yamato is based onto his vig-claim? As said by me and S & B him claiming the shot beforehand was probably a requisite for his shot to work but he doesn't mention it as part of his role so people go around and say he's town for claiming it. As said by me and S & B:Your Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity Your attempt to debunk Yam claim is based on conjecture. Nothing more, nothing less.. The combination of Yamato post with the role outline... and.. his post saying "refer to that, its all you need to know" makes me think its sincere. Nothing more, nothing less (and significantly less conjecture than your stance) | ||
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(2) Austin, thanks for a waste of a read on Corazon. You got me all excited for accepting yamato challenge on corazon. I noticed you did not reference a single issues I raised to corazon.. in particular his image-centric agenda. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=78#1544 In fairness, he hasn't replied to this case. So my question to you: Do you think his clear ad-hominem approach to the game, is still indicative of the townie Corazon you think you are familiar with? | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:45 marvellosity wrote: did anyone have any thoughts about this? hmm i discarded it.. becauase in mafia LX he was smurfing as macho man and rolled town. and didnt play like an IC, fo shizzle - might just be a phase? Hes kinda slipped of my radar this game actually; but that also includes guys like Risk.Nuke. In general wouldnt mind hearing more from them. | ||
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Seriously.. This Yamato Day-Vig Hit discussion between Vivax/Marv has to STOP. Out of 100 pages, at least 30 .. maybe even 40 pages are devoted to discussing this item ffs. Im sick of it.. agree to disagree and carry on with the scum hunting. Im not lynching yamato: & Vivax I dont care if you dont like that.. you can vote who ever you want (just like me) Im not lynching marv either: I gave reasons earlier (liek 20 pages ago.. ) Acro is looking like hes trying to provide some constructive thought in places, so I am starting to feel less apprehensive bout his absence. Still... where is Risk.Nuke; Crossfire; Ver; Stutters695; DAndel Ion & again.. CrossFire We keep arguing about whats in front of us... need to start looking at whats NOT being discussed Again.. WHERE IS CROSSFIRE | ||
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Already commented on it. So far I like you trying to get involved in the current town discussions. But, will reserve alignmnet judgement once I start seeing those promised scum reads. Emphasis: on plural | ||
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On March 12 2013 18:01 Mocsta wrote: [Crossfire99=Vig]Probably scum My read has shifted. I thought this guy was trying to communicate better by dropping the roleplaying act. I also thought he was genuinely trying to aid town with his final posts.. i.e. Those posts read as a sincere plea from a townie to me. The problem is what eventuated from that plea. (1) he calls out SS with his Dandel Ion scum read & (2) the meat and veg of his late-cycle contribution(s) + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 11:48 Crossfire99 wrote: Yeah I am unsure on Yamato, so I don't want to lynch him. There's some good and bad. It's good that he calls out super. It's good that he wants to lynch bugs. It's good that he claimed his kill of kurumi. It was bad that he actually killed kurumi. It's weird that he want from instantly voting me at the very beginning of the game, to me only be a possibility of a lynch later on + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 02:02 yamato77 wrote: The delay for my role was built in. As for my Marv read... Hm. Gonna have to reread his filter closely. Super, I will say, is being especially useless and obviously lurky. Nothing has changed about Bugs. Not sold on Cross/Stutters, but the possibility exists there. Not good lynches. Sloosh needs more attention for being a useless pile of lurking shit, I definitely still want to lynch wbg cause he's done nothing but attack kurumi even when he knew he was modconfirmed town, plus he just trolled the thread when called out and doesn't even care about doing anything. I'm keeping my vote on wbg. Decides to stand in the middle with one of the key discussion topics: Yamato. If you finish with "He'll have to be looked into more" & don't add anything new to the discussion, why bother to comment in the first place? Reads as a guy looking to contribute, without making an effort. & (3)Ends up sticking with his sheep vote on WBG, after promising to "catch up on the thread and focus on key areas"... Basically, Crossfire99 sold me on the emotional plea; and now that I have had to chance to review what the outcome of his focus is.. I am left severely disappointed. The late-cycle contributions were on par with when he was roleplaying. I think Crossfire99 would make a superb vig target tonight. | ||
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On March 13 2013 09:33 Foolishness wrote: Do people still want to kill crossfire? Yes as per post above | ||
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On March 13 2013 09:58 Dandel Ion wrote: Well I'm here and caught up, not really motivated to do anything atm. I'll most likely just get shot in 2 hours, so I'm real lazy now. have some reads for those that care about that. lynch those: foolish crossfire vivax Marv is town, I guarantee it. iamp/prome/ve/acro most likely town but not so sure on those. gut says austin and cora are possible scummers too. Should be relatively easy to tell in time. both not priorities imo. Hold up a sec here Why are you close to being shot? And why have you got iamp and acro has likely town. Even prome who knows iamp well is concerned with the state of his play. | ||
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On March 13 2013 11:19 austinmcc wrote: This reads like a big post of nothing.My guy doesn't seem to be a big spammer at the end of night cycles. So I'll compromise and mini-spam. BC's "you guys so bad, I'm scummy cuz of my personality that you guys don't know about" is crap. He should know it's crap. Marv, may have been you, but someone in a PM or obs or postgame of themed game mentioned it being hard for established scumhunters to play scum and not be outed. This feels like that. BC gets to be scummy for a day, and his response/defense is to blame it on his personality, which we don't know and which he knows we don't know. End result? Perhaps it buys him a day or two. That's crap. Just an easy way to delay being outed by blaming on information that, oh my, nobody else happens to have. There's a group of experienced players who are all just...congealing together. risk.nuke, HiroPro, prplhz, snb, slOosh, Acro. With each of those people, just off the top of my head, I can think of 0-2 things that they've done. A particular post, a particular case, but that's it. If I'm not around, someone else needs to poke this group HARD. I've been growing more wtf-ey with slOosh, because while he was entirely inactive in PU like he is here, he was somewhat active and was all scheme-y in bureaucracy. Here, he's entirely inactive and doesn't have the benefit of me having checked him as "town." So...I'm stuck thinking it's some dumb roleplaying or rl issues, and not scumminess? Don't love the conclusion, but frankly that whole group of people needs to take some stances tomorrow, differentiate themselves, and we can see who rises up and who sits at the bottom of the glass looking scummy. Still haven't read Duel mafia. But multiple people picked out multiple inconsistencies between Cora's play there and here. I'm assuming you're not all scum laying some elaborate trap to kill Cora, so I'll assume his play is funky and I have to throw part of my read out the window. But still, look at his entrance posts. Those are carefree and silly. Those are not mafia posts. Look at him trying to figure out bugs and my mayoral campaign. Those are trying to solve the game. Not mafia posts. Cora town. Vivax was scumVivax earlier. He was not actively destroying the thread and when he was here, was kind of shitty/weird, but relying on just...lies/assumptions/not reading. More recent Vivax has been townVivax - dicking around with marv, being insistent that he's right about ridiculous things and trying to get everyone riled up about the ridiculous ideas that he wants to push. That's what I was getting at earlier with being used to him being scummy as town, but that he wasn't being scummy in the right way. It felt off, like he was trying to be scummy but forcing it. After getting called out on it, ta da! Miraculously, scummy townVivax shows back up. That change means Vivax probably scum. Anyone who says vivax is scum cuz he's scummy is being dumb and not looking at him properly. He's scum cuz he's the wrong kind of scummy, as stupid as that sounds. It's forced, it's based on not reading/lying, rather than just shitting up thread. I think marv is town, so he's probably scum too. You just saying here is a list some scum here. If you're around Day2, i want to see you apply some god-damn pressure. I will give you credit though: you applying the politican personality full steam... | ||
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surely we can expect follow up pressure though? please tell me that is true... | ||
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On March 13 2013 11:34 austinmcc wrote: Read closer. I bet you find more than just a list. Well im considered verbose, but you make me sound like a one-liner.. lets see BC = scum A list of 6 guys, some could be scum cos low contributers You have read Duel, but commenting on Cora.. when half the arguments are based on contrast with Duel... Vivax is scum Marv is 50/50 My stance still applies, I want to see you do some follow ups if around. Politicians can't just delegate everything... + If you want to comment on Cora, then at least do the justice of reading Duel. Otherwise your comments are moot and shitting up the dispute. | ||
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On March 13 2013 11:40 austinmcc wrote: Duel throws out the tunneling = townie. Duel makes reliance on meta seem odd. I can accept those arguments, without reading duel, and STILL find those other two things townie. OK, that sounds reasonable. | ||
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As much as I would love to support Cora right now (or Fool with his play) I think it is unwise if we all consolidate right now. In Mafia LX we did that (consolidated vote as in EVERYONE within teh first 12 hrs) and it killed off all discussions and dropped motivation levels as well. It also gave no information on mafia, because everyone voted the same person. I am struggling with this game enough as it is - because its such a shitfest; I think it would be good to avoid those type of repercussions (from consolidating early) So I would like to hear more thoughts from lurkers like Crossfire99 and Risk.Nuke in regards to their top scum reads whilst we have "spare" time. | ||
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On March 13 2013 13:21 cDgCorazon wrote: Yamato's defense "Your argument is invalid because I'm town" Mocsta's attack "You are scum because you attacked Yamato" Sure Moc has said more but when you read between the lines that's all I see. Dude. nothing could be further from the truth. I can not comprehend how this is what you interpret my attack on you as. | ||
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On March 13 2013 14:13 cDgCorazon wrote: Oats, in case you missed: My case is based off of more than Yamato's defenses. Corazon I already debunked points 1 to 3. Point 4 in my opinion does not apply anymore as i am inclined to believe Yamato role description. The game has shifted 48hrs since then, yet that is still your read. Where is the evolution? | ||
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On March 13 2013 14:03 slOosh wrote: .... consolidating early is a good thing. It forces stances and focus' town attention. Trying to determine lynches last minute never works out for town. What do you make of crossfire's "will post"? (1) Xfire The town reads is nice and syncs somewhat with my reads.. but i dotn value that too much. Most of those reads have been discussed openly in the thread; its almost a summary of town reads. The scum reads is the same. Even admits its a +1 summary with his corazon read = let me paste marvs quotes. So yeah, the last will post did nothing for me. No effort @ all. (2) Consolidation I think you are taking it as 2 bandwagons go head to haed. In Mafia LX, EVERYONE (i.e. 23 players) all voted the same guy within 10-12hrs.. then the thread sat quiet as we waiting for the timer to expire. This thread is confusing, and essentially a shit-fest. Adding 24hrs of lurking is just going to make our jobs harder. We really need to lynch scum this cycle and drop the KP down to 2. Thats why I wanted to try and promote further discussion on others who are flying under the radar. | ||
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On March 13 2013 14:42 Promethelax wrote: with moc is disagree let us make this a dichotomy we lynch between 'ness and cross so no votes can get lost Moc, please talk back to me. Between aforementioned reds who is it each of you do want dead? For me this choice is made we ##Vote: fool, next up: a parade! We will on a pike place his head I prefer Foolishness. I still think it woudl be good to engage lurkers and retain teh ability to vote for them as pressure if required.. than .. majority vote foolishness and then have nothing to pressure lurkers. We still have 46hrs. | ||
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On March 13 2013 18:22 Vivax wrote: As for me, I have received a mysterious power during the night. One that I used to love in one of my earlier lives as a bad guy. But I don't know if the power I got is real, or just a way to fool me. earlier <insert missing word> ?? Are you the invention spoken of in the End of cycle post? | ||
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Out of those 4 left on BC list. I would rate towniest to scummiest Marv Yam Vivax Foolish You seem to still have issues with Marv/Yam; which of the two is townier? =========== We can only have one lynch. Who is a higher chance to roll scum: Corazon or Crossfire? | ||
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On March 13 2013 18:35 Vivax wrote: Mocsta can you explain why you prefer Foolish over other targets? Simple. Danger mitigation. I think Marv is town; so far Foolishness is doing the following: (1) Trolling marv, which is taking away his focus from other targets & (2) .. Thats pretty much it, unless you want to include defend Vivax on "meta" If he is scum - which seems likely; hes doing a great job of distracting the closest thing we have to a leader. If by some chance, Foolishness is town; then he is actually impeding our ability to succeed this lynch and drop mafia KP down to 2. As much as i dont like Corazon or Crossfire99, they are there openly hiding; and have little to no thread presence. I think Foolishness presents a much greater risk to the end-game result than if we focused on taking out Corazon/Crossfire99. Thats my 2c on the matter. (they are the equivalent of randombum in Mafia LX; can't be forgotten about but have no impact either) | ||
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On March 13 2013 18:39 risk.nuke wrote: Morning, I know you think my scum meta is to disappear but I assure you I haven't lost interest in this game. Over the nightphase I was content reading, I'm back now to discuss lynches. on claims So supersoft is still alive during this cycle as confirmed town. Sloosh's claim is extremely weird but it sounds like he will be doing a kamikaze at midday so lets leave him alone and see where that goes. Hi Risk. Can I have your opinion on Vivax and Foolishness puh-lease. | ||
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On March 13 2013 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I guess this means foolishness is town. Damn. I dont see how that makes him town? Is it normal for town to have two day-vigs? (this is assuming foolish #nuke is real) (nuke is where the kill is end of cycle right?) | ||
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On March 13 2013 19:36 supersoft wrote: balancediscussion in the meantime: These players: X Scummers among them 1. Vivax 23. Promethelax 19. iamperfection 5. HiroPro 10. austinmcc 13. Oatsmaster 14. Stutters695 15. strongandbig 18. Mocsta 21. Acrofales 22. cDgCorazon 9. Intact replaced by Dandel Ion 2. Crossfire99 ___________________________________________ Other players: Y Scummers among them 7. marvellosity 4. risk.nuke 6. prplhz 16. slOosh 20. Ver - opposite aligned - 17. Foolishness - shot - 24. yamato77 List X order [Town descending] 18. Mocsta 23. Promethelax 13. Oatsmaster 1. Vivax 15. strongandbig 5. HiroPro 19. iamperfection 21. Acrofales 10. austinmcc 9. Intact replaced by Dandel Ion 14. Stutters695 22. cDgCorazon 2. Crossfire99 List Y order [Town descending] 7. marvellosity 24. yamato77 20. Ver - based on parity check 16. slOosh 4. risk.nuke 6. prplhz 17. Foolishness To be frank, theres at least 5 people in that list that I have barely paid any attention to. (Hence why I wanted more lurkers engaged in more conversation this cycle) | ||
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On March 13 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote: If you are 95% sure that marv is mafia, WHY DID YOU KILL YAMATO? Also supersoft, Im confused at what are 2 lists mean and the difference between them... Dont even know if the nuke is real dude. What if we don't lynch Foolish OR Yamato because we are waiting for this nuke to land at end of cycle? | ||
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On March 13 2013 19:58 supersoft wrote: Why are you confused. I am confirmed town. DON'T QUESTION MY MOTIVATION! I AM TOWN! HELLO! Why do you people ask me questions and refuse to help me. We have the unique opportunity to have ME as a confirmed townie and a completely honest and openly playing Judge for todays lynch. The confusion was, it wasnt clear the list was towniest @ top; scummiest at bottom. You clarified that a couple posts "after" the list post. | ||
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On March 13 2013 21:18 marvellosity wrote: don't worry Dandel, I got this. super is right in that a yamato death would clear some things up. It might buy Foolishness another day or two, helps with corazon and sloosh, etc. if yamato flips town or no-shot happens, foolish should die immediately. Well, my concern is making a play to maintain 3KP for another cycle. *Assuming Foolishness is scum* He was on the block today; so scum will go down to 2KP. What better way to buy time to maintain 3KP then to fake-nuke/real-nuke someone; and try to get another townie on the block instead. Seems worth it as a gamble to me? Not only that, but these actions have the potential to derail the entire Day2. *Unfortunately* This might suggest Crossfire is town (as I believe he would be the next candidate after Foolishness) I dont think there is a point making this play to sacrifice Foolishness for Crossfire?, unless ones personality powers is better, but thats all WIFOM and may as well be discarded. Thoughts on the 3KP theory? | ||
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On March 13 2013 21:23 marvellosity wrote: where did it say end of the day? did i miss something? That was me. Incognito had nukes in Personality 1. And it was a day-vig that landed when the cycle finished (with the post) but had to be 'launched" at least 12hrs before cycle end. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: Foolishness was null, leaning scum yesterday and still is. The nuke is currently meaningless, as there are too many explanations for it. Until Kita or Greymist launch the nuke, I withhold reservation. Trolling about nuking Yamato fits with his playstyle this game, which is STILL better than Ver's. Even without your parity check, it makes sense for there to be a scum between the two giants in the game. If we disregard framers, that means there is 1 scum and 1 town between them. I still think Ver is the more likely scum, unless someone can point me to Foolishness being a massive troll a scum. Agreed on the nuke. Its all WIFOM (and reminds me of Grush typing ##Shoot, in Mafia LX... *sigh*) Dunno why it makes sense for one of Foolishness/Ver to be scum. I thought its all RNG? I agree Ver play is subpar, and my read is slipping south quickly; but one flip at a time yeah? Since everyone else ignored me; what do you think of my 3KP theory? | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:24 supersoft wrote: Sorry dude, can't take that serious. It's just dumb to kill Foolish before the shot goes through. We're in no rush with that. We can easily wait for the additional information. SS, can I ask what is enforcing your hardy stance on Foolish? This kinda reminds me of Mafia LX.. Many refused to consider Vivax scum because he fake-claimed vig. I had to claim my blue role in end to prove there was town KP; to get ppl to realise the vig claim was false. Yam was a town read, founded upon the anonymous vig action. Foolish nukes him.. whether real or fake; the difference between yamato -> kurumi & foolish -> yamato is that yamato wasnt shitting up the thread asking to be martyred. *thats a big difference* I want to listen to you as confirmed town; its just. i dont understand where you are coming from with your position. | ||
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What information do we expect from a yam shot though? Hes town on my list. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:57 Vivax wrote: Ok ok I'll keep the calm I'm again rushing too much, I missed that thing you wrote marv and the Foolishness thingy is recent. My bad didn't read properly sorry. Anyway. I want to lynch Ver in that case. I have no clue about Foolish currently but it's insane to favour him for lynch over a guy who doesn't move a finger after announcing he would. Also we can't be sure about Foolish until we see yamato flip. Additionally, we need to wait for SlOosh's actions. SlOosh should tell us who he targeted though. What happened to crossfire and corazon? | ||
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Man that Foolisness post was *MASSIVE* and reads genuine. (as in, reads consistent through the whole essay which I think is hard to fake as scum) SS has annoyed me this cycle. Its obvious he cares and is trying to help us, but he is just shoving commands down our throats instead of walking us through his thought process. If you dont agree with him, he essentially tells you to fuck off. I dont get why Corazon is in his circle... yet.. he wont share either If Marv/Fool off the table today, I am voting Corazon. (Crossfire has gone someway to redeeming himself.. Cora is just looking worse.. all his scum reads are people that have accused him. This is not scum hunting. If it came to a stand between Foolishness/Marv.. I am with Marv all the way. Marv has been a thread presence from Day1 to where we are now Day 2. Foolishness made one story post about Vivax, of which people immediately jumped aboard. And when he makes another story post; people jump aboard again. I get the feeling; if *I* made the posts Foolishness did; everyone would laugh and ignore me. And are judging Foolishness by reputation instead of actual play this game. Marv has been actively trying to figure this game out - its been transparent. | ||
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As long as both Foolishness/Marv are alive, they are just going to be gunning at each other (as both are each others strongest scum reads). Im taking a stand with Marv. For all the reasons I said before. Vivax needs to pull his thumb out of his ass. He supports Foolish (cos Foolish has a town read on him) and knocks Marv (cos Marv has a bad town/scum read). Thats essentially emotions guiding his play, instead of logic. He has also admitted to not reading the thread before commenting. Lynch Foolish, and keep medic'n Marv. Thats our best chance to win this game. | ||
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On March 14 2013 12:40 Crossfire99 wrote: Why steal sloosh's vote? Is he scum? If you're certain of Yamato being scum, you should have stolen his vote and made him vote for himself. I wish today was a double lynch... Its not clear if Corazon stole the vote. Essentially someone played a power which handed sl0osh vote to Corazon. | ||
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On March 14 2013 13:14 cDgCorazon wrote: Acro if you really think I am playing like scum just give my NMM 33 filter a quick look over. Does it look anything like what I am playing? I cant believe you said that. NMM33 was your first game ever. You were outed as scum 1hr into Day1, and was saved by a townie defending you; which gave you town cred to ride to the bitter end. Since, then you have played a few newbies; and a few non-newbies. There has been a *CLEAR* shift in your style since NMM34 (your first town game) as well. Hence, pointing out scum play in NMM33 is barely applicable to you; because you have grown significantly as a player (& it was your very first game) | ||
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On March 14 2013 14:55 cDgCorazon wrote: This is my stance: + Show Spoiler + [image blocked] Take it or leave it. No King of Hearts flavour anymore? Corazon, I heard your opinion on Yamato, Acro and me. Its blatant OMGUS. Now for more important matters: *IF* you are town and were the deciding vote, who do you save: Marv or Foolishness? | ||
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On March 14 2013 15:14 cDgCorazon wrote: The King of Hearts is like a shepherd to his people. So in effect I am still the King and you all are my sheep. So sheep to me So this is why Sl0osh vote can sheep you. So *making the assumption* you stole sl0osh vote.. why him? | ||
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"prplhz" was your lynch pardon only an effect on yourself? Regardless of foolishness YES!! Corazon and scum now have 2 KP. Good outcome. guys can we all agree Marv is fuckn town now, and stop riding him. YES, I am speaking to you Vivax. | ||
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On March 15 2013 12:08 Mocsta wrote: ermm.. so foolishness wasnt lying? "prplhz" was your lynch pardon only an effect on yourself? ..... I dont want this forgotten. | ||
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On March 15 2013 12:31 prplhz wrote: then don't put my name in quotes OK... Let me ask you directly prplhz Does your lynch pardon ability, only operate on yourself? | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:50 risk.nuke wrote: When I said stunt I didn't mean I knew the nuke would be fake. I ment that Foolishness just did something drastic. I might aswell add I also received a nuke this night. I'm sure some already suspected that from how I spoke about them. I decided not to use mine untill the deadline at earliest. When Sloosh posted his post about things being cleared up in at midday, the same deadline for sending nukes today I suspected a connection. And when several people started launching nukes I knew at least all weren't real or that they in some way was conditional. So this was the sl0oshs "concept" which at first read looks townie enough (due to creativity points) + Show Spoiler [sl0osh nuke plan] + On March 14 2013 03:34 slOosh wrote: Sup dudes, caller here. Oh wat? The Plan Give various people NUKEs. Two reasons a) See how people use it. Do they treat it carefully? Do they trust it? Do they just shoot whatever? b) If multiple scum members received it, there will be information leak. They know that multiple NUKEs were given. Information pump yea? c) My last night post was designed in a way where it seemed like they had to fire the NUKEs or it blows up on themselves. Dunno how well this worked or not, but there is more information if people use it rather than if people don't. d) I have ANTI NUKE countermeasures so it doesn't matter if I hand them to scum - in fact it is better because we see true motives come out. e) (for him who knows) You town. I'm glad. I'm saying this all now because enough information has passed and we need time to properly look over it (I'm still doing it myself). So he never says how many nukes there actually are: But is it not interesting, that with all the nuke discussions, sl0osh decides to *NEVER* comment on the Risk.Nuke "fail to shoot"? Ironic, considering: On March 14 2013 04:18 slOosh wrote: Fair point. Now, let's get back to discussing the NUKERs? If Risk.Nuke figured out the plan *before* the plan was unveiled; why let all the commotion happen in the thread? And more importantly: why did sl0osh go to all this effort to set up a "town" trap to create "fake nukes" and with all the information generated proceed with this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=152#3037 Or in summary On March 15 2013 02:17 slOosh wrote: I want to lynch marv first because we have the most clout today and he is hardest to lynch today ##Vote: marvellosity What makes this even more interesting is that: sl0osh vote comes from the stoush between marv/foolishness - and nothing to do with the nukes!! Where is the analysis of the nuke actions? *VERY* interesting indeed. I have to read Risk.Nuke filter before deciding where I think he ties into all this. He has been a player that has slipped under the radar for me (even after I called him out for inactivity before) But regardless, sl0osh needs to go! | ||
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that the magic marker invention lets the creator (sl0osh) draw up anything he wants and give them to ppl i doubt he can draw "real" things, cos they would be OP ===== & dont forget about Vivax and the magic mushroom This is all WIFOM, but consdiering Kurumi was scared of chagning alignment; I wonder if the magic mushroom forces him to change alignment? Anything you can shed a light on with this Vivax? | ||
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On March 15 2013 13:13 Foolishness wrote: loooooooooooooooooooool Hi Foolishness, You were wrong with the Corazon flip... what makes you so certain on Yamato being scum? | ||
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On March 15 2013 13:33 Foolishness wrote: As a final note, you are more abrasive when you're mafia than town, those filters I linked are proof of that. It's probably worth it for me to die so you guys can be convinced that what I'm saying is true at this point, cause I have no motivation for this anymore. Yawn. Game too difficult. .... Please o-wise one, what is the secret to death if thou lynch is protected by magic of supernatural origin? | ||
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These are my thoughts on 2 key items: (1) Corazon announcement Based on the # of NK.. I am going to have to go against my better judgment and say Corazon was town. Im not going to WIFOM into whether Stutters was bullshitting with the Sleeper Cell; but I cant even being to believe how we get to 5KP without 3 from Mafia. 5 mafia exist full stop as per the OP; and we need to move and close this matter. (2) Foolishness flip I'm actually still shocked he flipped town, and Im also surprised people acting as if it was expected. From Foolishness death I get 3 scum reads I think are worth the discussion focus today (a) Vivax: This guy was adamant Foolishness was town with an authority that went beyond an educated guess. When all odds were stacked against Foolishness; this guy kept coming in to shit up the thread and proclaim his innocence. Further, this guy quickly changed his town tune on Corazon when he flipped, trying to prove to the thread how he was one of the first to chase Corazon as SCUM. (b) Yamato77: What has made this guy town for me was the "anonymous vig" on Day1. That has been my major rational all game. Since that shot: his thread contributions have been minor; and his reputation for "super-confident tunneled read: YOU ARE SCUM!" is lacking. Foolishness was adamant Yamato77 was scum; and I think he is worth scrutinizing today. Further, esssentially Yamato first action is to blame Foolishness town flip on "the death framer" by "not trusting the flip". Which is odd; because as proven via the 5KP, the death frame was active for 12hrs and is the OP is trustworthy. (c) Ver/Darth Punk: We still have the WIFOM of the parity check authenticity; and that DP keeps saying he wants to read the thread, but comes in to comment on-going issues. The Stutters case reads OK at first glance.. but I have a major issue with it: (i) There is no stance/reference on the sleeper cell. I cant see scum making a story up like that just to feign a NK as a vig hit. Especially someone as thread non-existent as Stutters This is concerning because if you are going to build a case on someone to be a meaningful contribution; that you take into account the entire filter to pass judgement. | ||
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On March 16 2013 17:10 yamato77 wrote: Well that's a mafia claim if I've ever seen one. Good to know you have the time to add your useless 1 sentence posts when town is in the shit. & You cant find the time to provide actual analysis of anything important. All of us are busy; fuck, a lot of us are busy & playing Heart of the Swarm. But, go on and keep up the piss-poor attitude. <sarcasm>Cos we all know thats how town Yamato loves to play </sarcasm> | ||
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On March 16 2013 17:39 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Do you not know that in personality 1, the OP was also adjusted in terms of the death framer? 2. How is the fuck do you not have a conclusion on whether Marv is scum or not? (1) I think the Massive KP indicates 3KP.from mafia. Fact is: 5KP; all on town.. and only 2KP contributed from mafia isnt adding up for me.. so yeah, I htink death framer role was tweaked as a 12hr counter I dont want to enter WIFOM battles its not going to help us nail scum. + Regardless of whether death framer role was tweaked or not... Vivax interactions after the Corazon flip are *VERY* peculiar. (2) I didnt think it was necessary to discuss marv this cycle. I dont think Marv is scum. I have given my reasons earlier in the thread and still stand by them; in short, he has been trying to figure out this game. TRANSPARENTLY. Look, has marv been right this game? the flips say no.. .BUT.. since when does being wrong = scum.. My only gripe with Marv is more WIFOM related. How the fuck with with 5KP, is he still alive.. *THAT* i dont get. Its not enough doubt to make me reconsider my town read on him though. And I dont think its a topic worth discussing this cycle. | ||
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On March 16 2013 18:07 Oatsmaster wrote: You are already WIFOMing :/ and you arent? Especially by making conclusions about the 5KP. Its a themed game, dont wifom. We are all working off conjecture (unless you are scum) Doesnt this foolishness flip force you to rethink your reads? Yeah, i didnt have vivax as a scum read before.. but i was really surprised when reading his reactions over corazon flip. Tying that in with the insistence that Foolishness was town (when what marv produced looked pretty concrete) well... Like marv is rarely wrong, and when he is wrong, its mostly about coinflippy players, not the players of foolishness caliber. But fuckn 35 page filter, and reads that have been communicated in multiple ways.. i dont see scum going to that effort. Assuming there was 1 KP last night, does your read on yamato change? I wont answer this, because You asked me not to bother with WIFOM.... How does Foolishness pushing yamato as scum, make him scum? My issue with Yamato stems beyond the foolishness push. Its as I wrote. I had one reason for why yamato was town. Fact is.. hes not playing the game like he is known for as town. Look at his last post; setting himself up not to bother contributing for half a day, when we at a pivotal point in the game. Why is it, guys like you and me you coming in here asking questions, and hes trying to fuck off? The whole sitaution reminds me of Vivax fake-claiming vig in Mafia LX. So many town refused to vote him based on that action; until I proved the NK logically didnt support a vig claim. Also, what do you say against the fact that town players are more likely to be impulsive than scum players cause they dont care about the drawbacks? I think tells like this are periodical. its been documented, you cant rely on scum having the same tells over and over again, otherwise they will get caught instantly. so i think the point is moot and you have to look at players holistically... I barely know prplhz but I cant see him being an impulsive scum player, but I can see Vivax being impulsive.(i) There is no stance/reference on the sleeper cell. I cant see scum making a story up like that just to feign a NK as a vig hit. Especially someone as thread non-existent as Stutters This is blatantly wrong. Stutters was chosen as part of the cell, and thus, that should be discounted for the MAKES NO SENSE TO FAKE A VIG HIT, because he didnt have a role with extra kp Im not sure what you are actually saying here? Do you think Stutters is scum, fake-claiming a sleeper cell; or town, honest-claiming a sleeper cell? | ||
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(moc)Im not sure what you are actually saying here? Do you think Stutters is scum, fake-claiming a sleeper cell; or town, honest-claiming a sleeper cell? On March 16 2013 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Im saying that his involvement in the sleeper cell has no relation to his alignment. That is absolutely fact. Dont see how that is fact, but whatever Oats. The point was originally DP comes out trying to make a "case" and then doesnt do his full homework. Curious, is it not? (moc)My issue with Yamato stems beyond the foolishness push. Its as I wrote. I had one reason for why yamato was town. Fact is.. hes not playing the game like he is known for as town. Look at his last post; setting himself up not to bother contributing for half a day, when we at a pivotal point in the game. Why is it, guys like you and me you coming in here asking questions, and hes trying to fuck off? The whole sitaution reminds me of Vivax fake-claiming vig in Mafia LX. So many town refused to vote him based on that action; until I proved the NK logically didnt support a vig claim. (oats)How is yamato's inactivity proof that he is scum? That is your only argument right? yamato has been controversial all throughout the 170 pages of thread. I made it clear before, my reasoning for a town read was solelythe anonymous vig claim. Others have indicated reasoning to suggest otherwise (and not just inactivity)Lets ignore his shot, there are other things right? The thing that keeps coming back to me is: with that type of town cred (for those that believed), I would expect yamato to be pushing a town agenda hard. Instead he makes claims like "im a proxy-marv let me pressure you".. but did anything meaningful come out of that? Cos i dont remember that being the case. What we get now is promises that he is solving the game by watching how people interact.. wheres the reads based on 170pages of game? Why do you have such a hard town read on him? Surely its more than just the vig claim. (oats)I think that Cora is scum, that is the only WIFOM I am currently experiencing, putting out. You can think what you want. And I can think what I want. I was chasing Corazon for a big duratino this game; so if someone is frustrated to say he is town, its me. Fact is: with all the doubt on him, you cant even get a proper association read..b est thing we can do is treat him as a "3rd party flip' and move on to finding scum, instead of debating whether it is true or not. | ||
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On March 16 2013 18:42 risk.nuke wrote: Sorry, something came up. I need to travel today. Hopefully I'll have internet on the train and can post there. Otherwise I'll have to swoop in tomorrow evening and save the day. Unless you're doing fine by yourselves. Dont you worry yam. im fair in treatment. THis is bullshit and moving up my scum-o-meter very quickly. | ||
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On March 16 2013 18:47 Oatsmaster wrote: MARV WHERE ARE YOU MARV. Mocsta, you are under the burden of having to prove yamato scum, I dont have to prove him as town. How many times have you seen someone 'waste' their confirmed townie status? I have done it. That isnt the basis for a scumread. When is the last time you read his filter? If you didnt notice, my key target is Vivax. I am saying Yamato needs scrutiny and so does DP. (1) My focus is Vivax.. what have you say about that? (2) In regards to what you said with Yam.. Im saying you vehemently defending yam, and not even bothering to provide a counter for against the solid points already raised. This is remidning me of Corazon.. so many never botehred to refute my points or marvs or anyone else hunting corazon.. saying what you just said... yet now.. *YOU* are the one who is adamant corazon is scum. | ||
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On March 16 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote: The shot wasnt one cause its townie. I dont think it is anymore. And I already gave my reasoning why, but will summarise it for you The shot by itself, is definitely a townie-type action.. That doesnt make him town... the issue is akin to Vivax in mafia LX.. he fake claimed vig and everyone wouldnt vote him. After PROVING the claim was fake, i still had to claim my blue role to get everyone board. Now Yamato has been controversial; some have given town reads, some have given scum reads.. but most of the town reads were based on the "anonymous vig action".. not his actual play. We into Day 3; and I cant give yamato a free ride just because he did a "townie-type action".. he needs to be town cos of actual play.. the inactivity isnt helping him; but it isnt an excuse for low quality posts either. He clearly has the time to make 1 liner quips; so why not detailed analysis? And seroiously dude, stop asking about for a case. I am trying to generate discussion here, not seal a vote. We cant afford a mislynch today, and I think jumping in with a case is the worse thing we can do. All it is going to do is flare up emotions; when we need logic and reasoned play. | ||
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On March 16 2013 19:34 risk.nuke wrote: Also, disregarding marvs check which I'm not fully sure I trust in lylo. I think crossfire is the safest lynch. I dunno if your roleplaying or not.. but now would be the time to expand. | ||
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Only 1 of (Marv,Vivax) is town. Vivax has been the instigator behind the shitstorming of Marv & Marv is town guys.. how many times do I have to say it: being wrong does not equate scum. ##Vote: Vivax Vivax is the guy that needs to go if we want to avoid mislynch. | ||
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On March 17 2013 16:54 Moology wrote: Once again back to the useless comments. yam, your terrible at this game. THe quicker you admit that to yourself, the quicker you can become useful. Theres a reason marv didnt bother commenting at your case; its because its shit, and is not worthy of a retort. | ||
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On March 17 2013 16:58 yamato77 wrote: Lol, whatever. See you after this game when marv is found out red. Yeah, u gonna eat ya hat like BH is it when he flips green? | ||
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On March 17 2013 17:06 yamato77 wrote: Moc, when did you become a Vivax-like player? When are you gonna learn how bad your tunnels are | ||
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On March 17 2013 17:22 yamato77 wrote: Only... I catch mafia now. BAM. We will see. nothing you have done has sold me on marv = mafia.. I stand by being wrong does not equate to being scum the reason you think he doesnt give a shit is because you been too uninvolved to read the thread. it takes me like 3hrs most of the days to erad the thread cos so much bullshit was going on (obviously its slowed down past 2 days).. but yeah, marv certainly did give a shit.. your filter read is so biased and twisted Lol its not actually funny | ||
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On March 17 2013 17:36 yamato77 wrote: Town, don't be stupid. Lynch mafia. Yes, Lynch Vivax | ||
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On March 17 2013 22:20 marvellosity wrote: Because I got someone wrong doesn't suddenly make everything I say invalid. All I ever ask when I post these things is for people to think for themselves about it. As in, do *you*, Mocsta, genuinely believe DP conveniently managed to forget ever mentioning the cop-check, despite saying earlier that it was his reasoning for voting Foolishness? Does his filter during Day 2 read like that to you? That's what I'm asking. Gotcha Well i know how hard it is to replace.. so i see both points of view (1) its not clear (marv) & (2) thoguhts change as you raed thread (dp) so i take it as a null point | ||
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On March 17 2013 22:32 marvellosity wrote: I don't understand how you see it as null. 1) He claims that he voted for Foolish because of the cop check 2) He never once mentioned the cop check at the time as his reason for voting Foolish I don't understand how you don't see something exceedingly, exceedingly strange here. Well im playing sc2 so posting in haste will collect thoughts when im done laddering | ||
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Vote Vivax All these stupd mofo's saying hes not playing like town Vivax? WTF.. seriously. Vivax is one of the most unreadable players on this forum. HE IS UNPREDICTABLE. Man. Mafia LX, I nailed him; what did Vivax do? Went away meekly; no yelling and screaming. Akin to this game. Hes providing some jabs here and there, but no fuckn attempt at an uppercut. Wheres the balls? This guy is clearly scum; hes clearly the balancing "vote manipulator" (to a town Corazon).. Lynch his scummy ass, save the town from LYLO Yeah theres some guys who are scummy; but VIVAX IS THE SCUMMIEST | ||
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THIS IS THE THREAD POLICE. LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY TO THIS PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT On March 18 2013 10:52 Mocsta wrote: Marv is town you dimwits, fuckn stop distracting him; lets solve this game TOGETHER. ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:59 Acrofales wrote: Yeah. I'm going to the doctor. ##unvote ##vote Vivax In the voting thread pls and best of luck with the doctor maybe one to many beers? | ||
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On March 18 2013 11:04 Stutters695 wrote: Well town has to consolidate. I don't like Mocstas reasoning for voting Vivax since when I saw a scum Vivax he was aggressive as shit and Marv is actually giving a shit now I feel a bit better about this. I still think not lynching Cross is retarded but we can always get him tomorrow if we make it. I just played with a scum vivax, and nailed him he wasnt crazy in that game either.. (if you use Mafia LIX as a measuring stick) | ||
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On March 18 2013 11:20 marvellosity wrote: i hope to god vivax flips mafia. if he doesnt i'm really really sorry. i hate causing losses. Have faith The filter doesnt lie, and my whispering to it says MAFIA | ||
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On March 18 2013 11:32 Stutters695 wrote: This is more nerve wracking than being endgamed in YANMM. Im nervous about why Oatsmaster vote on sl0osh counts as zero.. & this power vivax holds, which may get marv lynched On March 18 2013 11:14 kitaman27 wrote: Day 3 Marvellosity (5): yamato77. vivax, slOosh, austinmcc, DarthPunk, DarthPunk (1): Crossfire99 (0): Vivax (7): HiroPro, Crossfire99, Mocsta, prplhz, SlOosh (0): Oatsmaster Less than 1 hour remains in the cycle Yam, sl0osh, austinmcc, DarthPunk... you fuckers need to get off Marv and onto Vivax like NOW! | ||
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On March 18 2013 11:39 DarthPunk wrote: I can understand you not switching over cos you would rather vote town than scum... you SCUMWhy would I do that when I think marv is scum and Vivax is town? Honestly, you have all been duped by scum marv and should feel bad. Consolidate Vivax today, or feel the wrath of town next cycle! | ||
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Scum have another death framer or something? | ||
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our best chance is they hit someone with veteran powers or medic save. | ||
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On March 18 2013 12:49 DarthPunk wrote: I did that. Mafia marv and his pals flamed me away for even daring to suggest such a thing. hhmmm, im pretty surprised with Vivax flip; he was so adamant to gain town cred when Corazon flipped. going to have to see how these NKs turn out; if we still in it; and marv is somehow alive.. i hate to say it, but we will have to seriously consider a policy lynch. I dont see how a guy has 30+ pages of filter and is scum.. but .. i dont see how scum can let him survive 3 nights either. Will hopefully get a chance to re-evaluate in 24hrs. | ||
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On March 18 2013 12:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause then we policy lynch him. Thats a pretty big reason. Dude, i been one of the biggest marv supporters this game. but .. can you honestly say mafia have the CAHUNAS to try and get marv lynched by policy? Thats just fuckn stupid; its way safer to go for a NK. I dont hold it against marv he has been wrong; cos i know he has the goods to come right.. so yeah, if he is still alive and the game is still on; there is something fishy going on.. thats jsut common sense | ||
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Seriously. Why play the game if u only gonna comment if ya name is associated with scum? | ||
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Every game there's town that do nothing regardless of whether green or blue. Its annoying as all fuck. | ||
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On March 18 2013 20:21 Oatsmaster wrote: How this works is you prove that someone is scum If I agree, I sheep you and give you credit. If not, I might call you bad or scum, depending on my mood. So whatcha gonna do? Gents, this is precisely why Oats is town For all those in the future that play with Oats, this is him in a nutshell, and why me n Marv had such strong reads on him within 1/2 a day. | ||
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On March 18 2013 23:03 risk.nuke wrote: WHAT THE &¤%# IS WRONG WITH YOU... "delurk", I posted an hour ago so what is your malfunction? Because I didn't comment on your last useless post. Yes I already think Oats is town, great contribution. i just swapped my hotkey configuration to dark grid.. gimme a break man im frustrated enough as it is !! All u have done is come to gloat how you were right about Vivax...and me no likey i dont wanna speculate too much about NKs.. im hoping town hits a vet/medic prot.. maybe even a hatter im not banking on an additional 3rd party; as 2 in 25 player game seems odd. (mind u, ig uess survivor is a shitty role.. so could be another 3rd party. if so.. maybe someone like prplhz) what else can we do? I mean, the sure fire lynch candidates are Crossfire/HiroPro tomorrow; and take it from there | ||
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On March 18 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote: im not holding my breath on a lynch; but assuming there was one. i would bank on CrossfireI cant read words not in red, my fault :/ Mocsta what do you have to say about the upcoming lynch? everytime we wanted to vote him.. somehow, someone else came into the lynch for contention.. so im guessing crossfire is a super duper awesome mafia role, and they been trying to protect him all game u? i assume sl0osh. | ||
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On March 19 2013 09:08 Acrofales wrote: What, if anything was that supposed to do? Are you claiming plexa and the weird messages? Why did you say the nukes were real? If i didnt know any better you was seeking information for hiro and his "role cop" ability SCUM DIE SCUM | ||
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On March 19 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote: One other thought: Whoever invented the magic marker, if you're town, to need to push the boundaries of what you can invent today. If possible we need to be able to check multiple people, give someone parity checks or phoenix wright powers. Maybe something even more OP like a counterpart to Prince of Darkness power where we could go from day to day and skip the night phase? If you can get it by, we need it, because that would seem to be one of the only reasons the game hasn't ended if cora was town - that power can turn things around. Stay hidden, give us something strong. I thought the magic marker was for the death frame? | ||
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On March 19 2013 11:30 Oatsmaster wrote: So why wasnt anything invented yesterday? or the day before yesterday? It hought u dont deal in WIFOM? pointless question. we dont even know how the role works? duhhhhh | ||
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On March 19 2013 11:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Its NIGHT. I WANT TO WIFOM ALL NIGHT AND YOU CANT STOP ME. Wrong answer On March 16 2013 18:07 Oatsmaster wrote: You are already WIFOMing :/ Especially by making conclusions about the 5KP. Its a themed game, dont wifom. | ||
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On March 19 2013 12:05 Stutters695 wrote: U just endgamed us or something? | ||
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On March 19 2013 12:10 DarthPunk wrote: All of me is hoping this is over soon. This has got to be the most dysfunctional town I have ever been a part of, EVER. U reap what u sow.. SCUMBAG! | ||
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On March 19 2013 12:11 Acrofales wrote: Mocsta going full Vivax tonight. True.. town with the right reads thnx for the compliment | ||
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On March 19 2013 12:33 Promethelax wrote: Pretty pleased I got 100% of scum in my PM to you. True btw guys i was masoned with prome for a bit (i killed him as my "co-host") | ||
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obsqt post 87 "Yeah, if he is not scum (or anti-town) I'll PM Vivax "You are the best mafia player ever" and nominate him for Best Town Play this game." | ||
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OBSQT108 Nah, the newbies here were my first game playing any type of mafia | ||
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On March 19 2013 12:46 Acrofales wrote: Also reading the obsQT killing BC was 100% the right choice, lol. ditto that woulda backfired so badly mainly cos we lose a KP | ||
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GREY is right. that death frame went WAY better than we ever expected | ||
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On March 19 2013 12:49 yamato77 wrote: This. Sorry, Marv. You really looked like mafia to me this game after that Foolish flip. It just... Ugh. I played like complete fucking shit the whole damn game. I am bad. Its all good man, hence my references in hydra (prome already knew for a couple days) We all get bad games, but seriously the case against marv was really tunneled and much didnt depict mafia mentality | ||
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agreed.. he just needs to learn how to campaign.. hes so offputting, no1 will sheep him which is the 2nd half oft he challenge to securing a proper lynch | ||
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149 (GreyMis) "I need you guys to remind me to discuss this with the town, or just bring it up yourselves when the game is over (quote this or whatever). This game is the perfect example of a key feature that everyone needs to keep in mind. There is a danger in deciding a player's alignment and tunneling them to death. What will end up happening always is that instead of that player defending himself adequately and getting something constructive done, you will end up interpreting everything that player does as scummy, and use it to fuel the fire, so to speak. it is SO important to constantly reevaluate the entire game as a whole, and not lose yourself focusing on a single player." | ||
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Foolishness gives his musings on the game. worth a read | ||
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On March 19 2013 13:13 GreYMisT wrote: Id like to know your favorite roles this game, me and Kita put a lot of work into them I loved mine Both powers turned out amazing. | ||
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On March 19 2013 13:20 gonzaw wrote: Mocsta was kind of "obvious" the last day to be honest. He only posted "guys guys marv is town you are idiots! Vivax scum go go". That would instantly raise any alarm bells. Hiro, well of course austin seemed less "talky talky" as he is as town. As town he posts like pages and pages about all his thoughts and all his plans and conspiracy theories and the like. Here he was just like....meh. Acro I never read a single post from his, I just sheeped BC there lol DP had that check and was scummy I guess (never read any of his posts until the last day). I would think that last day was "doable" for town....but yeah there was just too much confusion and stuff. Also when will Stutters be scum goddamit! We got bored waiting too you know had to spice it up | ||
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my favourite post of the game (like hiro) was one of yours On March 12 2013 05:12 prplhz wrote: On March 12 2013 05:14 wherebugsgo wrote: | ||
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On March 19 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia did a good job of ensuring the chaotic townies remained chaoticno you. But seriously I think this is a really good example of what happens when town have a bad day 1 and basically lots of confusion everywhere. yes town imploded, but mafia created "plausible" scenarios for the atmosphere to remain like that at least in my opinion | ||
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On March 19 2013 13:42 Acrofales wrote: Thanks hosts! I don't think there were any obvious imbalances... unless sloosh could actually give out 4 live nukes, although it would have been hilarious to see half of town blow up in the way they were used :D The nukes just sprayed kebab though, so acted as a RB | ||
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e.g. corazon flip Im not sure how u take yourself out of a tunnel like that though, other than stepping away from the game for half a cycle completely and *gasp* re-reading the thread (which would be very onerous) | ||
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On March 19 2013 14:19 Promethelax wrote: Thanks Cora and GreY, I do think that the self imposed posting restriction was actually really good for me. It stopped me being dumb and shitting up the thread too much. I think I'll be doing something similar in the future. Also scumhunting may be giving me too much credit. Reaching the same totally wrong conclusions as marv would be much more accurate. Though I am pretty proud to have had good town reads in this game. Well I was amazed u stil managed to have clarity of thought in the limericks so well done | ||
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